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DRMOVIE1 · 10 June 2009, 07:00 PM

I read on this forum that grey dealers sell watches that are typicly 1-2 years old and didnt sell at ADs, thats how they have a lower price. Does this mean that when say for example the new TT C Submariner comes out in september these grey dealers will not be selling them (at discounted rates)???

Singslinger · 10 June 2009, 07:08 PM

Not entirely accurate. I think grey dealers can sell cheaper than ADs because they have less overheads and perhaps are not subject to direct price controls by Rolex. Many are very reputable and trustworthy; however, with some there might be risks in which case the discount could be larger. If you buy from such a dealer, best to check his/her background thoroughly first (or ask TRF members for their opinion).

As for the new TT Sub, I'm sure that grey dealers will be selling them soon after ADs get them, and probably at decent, competitive prices.

Rolex116520 · 10 June 2009, 07:12 PM

Gray dealers often sell watches from foreign markets when the exchange rate is favourable . They can get any watch that way , even the latest models.

DRMOVIE1 · 11 June 2009, 06:38 AM

wow that is really good to know! The new TT C Sub is what im gunning for!

vipergts66 · 11 June 2009, 02:17 PM

do gray dealers obliterate the serial numbers? i've heard rumors of sites like jomashop obliterating the serial number from their watches.

sheldonsmith · 11 June 2009, 03:22 PM

I have purchased/traded multiple watches. The serial numbers are not changed/modified. The only difference is that the warranty papers are different, and the home country/AD on the warranty might be China or Venezuela or some other country.

-Sheldon

diablojota · 11 June 2009, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by vipergts66

do gray dealers obliterate the serial numbers? i've heard rumors of sites like jomashop obliterating the serial number from their watches.

I haven't heard them do that before. But I have not heard good things about jomashop.

DRMOVIE1 · 11 June 2009, 06:22 PM

Are you still able to get the normal rolex warentee when you buy grey?

why do they scratch off serial numbers?

Daytonaboy1977 · 11 June 2009, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DRMOVIE1

Are you still able to get the normal rolex warentee when you buy grey?

why do they scratch off serial numbers?

The honest answer is no!! But as grey dealers will tell you if you claim the watch was a gift how can they refuse to honour the warranty

padi56 · 11 June 2009, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DRMOVIE1

Are you still able to get the normal rolex warentee when you buy grey?

why do they scratch off serial numbers?

Think you have been listening to rumours why would any legitimate grey dealer want to like you say scratch of the serial.The warranty is given by the Grey dealer and in many cases as good if not better than the Rolex one.But its been my experience that Rolex or any other watch has not needed any warranty work in the 2 year warranty period.Except for perhaps simple regulation that any good watchmaker could do.And after the say grey dealer warranty Rolex will quite happily take your money for routine service.

CPTL · 12 June 2009, 02:28 AM

I have seen grey dealer websites with disclaimers "serial numbers may have been removed to protect our suppliers from manufacturer's price restrictions...." I'd never buy a watch with a removed serial number.

Tools · 12 June 2009, 02:38 AM

Legitimate Grey Dealers will NOT obliterate any serial numbers..

If somebody tells you that they do, do not buy from them...

A Rolex without a serial number is likely Black Market and the number is off for an illegal reason..

..........

diablojota · 12 June 2009, 03:24 AM

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Originally Posted by CPTL

I have seen grey dealer websites with disclaimers "serial numbers may have been removed to protect our suppliers from manufacturer's price restrictions...." I'd never buy a watch with a removed serial number.

Is that perhaps only in the pictures the number has been removed? Because Rolex wouldn't know if it was sold through a grey dealer at all. Only that it was sold by an AD initially.

Rolex116520 · 12 June 2009, 03:28 AM

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Originally Posted by vipergts66

do gray dealers obliterate the serial numbers? i've heard rumors of sites like jomashop obliterating the serial number from their watches.

Would you buy a car from a gray dealer with its VIN / serial number removed ? Don't touch any Rolex or any other watch for that matter with a removed or altered serial number.

sexner · 12 June 2009, 03:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Rolex116520

Would you buy a car from a gray dealer with its VIN / serial number removed ? Don't touch any Rolex or any other watch for that manner with a removed or altered serial number.

Yves,
truer words have never been spoken!!

10 June 2009, 07:00 PM	#1
DRMOVIE1 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Beverly Hills Watch: PT/SS YM Posts: 165	Grey Dealer Question I read on this forum that grey dealers sell watches that are typicly 1-2 years old and didnt sell at ADs, thats how they have a lower price. Does this mean that when say for example the new TT C Submariner comes out in september these grey dealers will not be selling them (at discounted rates)???

11 June 2009, 03:22 PM	#6
sheldonsmith 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Member 202♛ Posts: 1,815	I have purchased/traded multiple watches. The serial numbers are not changed/modified. The only difference is that the warranty papers are different, and the home country/AD on the warranty might be China or Venezuela or some other country. -Sheldon __________________

12 June 2009, 02:28 AM	#11
CPTL "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Real Name: Kevin Location: Texas on my mind Watch: Sub Date; SS/WG DJ Posts: 2,445	I have seen grey dealer websites with disclaimers "serial numbers may have been removed to protect our suppliers from manufacturer's price restrictions...." I'd never buy a watch with a removed serial number. __________________ 16610 Submariner Date; D Serial 16234 DateJust SS with WG Fluted Bezel & Jubillee, White Roman Dial; F Serial 16570 Explorer II White Dial; M Serial And Hers: 78240 Mid-Size DateJust SS with Domed Bezel & Oyster, White Roman; D Serial

12 June 2009, 02:38 AM	#12
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,490	Legitimate Grey Dealers will NOT obliterate any serial numbers.. If somebody tells you that they do, do not buy from them... A Rolex without a serial number is likely Black Market and the number is off for an illegal reason.. .......... __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

10 June 2009, 07:08 PM	#2
Singslinger "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: singapore Posts: 6,424	Not entirely accurate. I think grey dealers can sell cheaper than ADs because they have less overheads and perhaps are not subject to direct price controls by Rolex. Many are very reputable and trustworthy; however, with some there might be risks in which case the discount could be larger. If you buy from such a dealer, best to check his/her background thoroughly first (or ask TRF members for their opinion). As for the new TT Sub, I'm sure that grey dealers will be selling them soon after ADs get them, and probably at decent, competitive prices.

10 June 2009, 07:12 PM	#3
Rolex116520 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: EEC Watch: Daytona & Deepsea Posts: 2,387	Gray dealers often sell watches from foreign markets when the exchange rate is favourable . They can get any watch that way , even the latest models.

11 June 2009, 06:38 AM	#4
DRMOVIE1 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Beverly Hills Watch: PT/SS YM Posts: 165	wow that is really good to know! The new TT C Sub is what im gunning for!

11 June 2009, 02:17 PM	#5
vipergts66 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 176	do gray dealers obliterate the serial numbers? i've heard rumors of sites like jomashop obliterating the serial number from their watches.

11 June 2009, 06:22 PM	#8
DRMOVIE1 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Beverly Hills Watch: PT/SS YM Posts: 165	Are you still able to get the normal rolex warentee when you buy grey? why do they scratch off serial numbers?

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