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greekbum · 17 March 2009, 04:56 AM

I have never seen this kinda mark on the clasp of a Mens SS watch is this real?
How can we have an M for 1988 and a D ? Whats with the Rolex coronet?Patented and registered swiss made?

JPersat · 17 March 2009, 05:05 AM

Looks fake to me, it has the circle in the bottom of the coronet

greekbum · 17 March 2009, 05:12 AM

Almost every jubilee band watch I looked at from this seller had this style clasp markings? I am not that familiar jubilee bracelets so I cant say for sure.

onkyo · 17 March 2009, 05:23 AM

There was a discussion about the extra crown on the bottom right not long ago .....

Check out this link --> http://www.rolexforums.com/showthrea...36#post1001236

And I think there was another discussion somewhere also?

We need Stan the Band Man to comment?

chriseskew24 · 17 March 2009, 05:39 AM

I wouldent buy it..

tudorman8276 · 17 March 2009, 06:10 AM

...that Pav (Onkyo) has referenced, starting at the TOP of the thread, you will see the DIFFERENCE between the FAKE at the top of thread and the genuine at the bottom of the thread.

...the clasp that is CURRENTLY threaded, appears to be of the Genuine type. It is oblong on the bottom of the crown/coronet (as opposed to the CIRCLE pictured in the TOP of the thread that Pav has referenced.)

...the real ones, which I have on my DJ and Springer on his GMT are in fact GENUINE, authenticated by Dallas RSC.

...they were made for the US market. The 16030 DJ I own, has the original Jub, just like this.

...as you can see, the differences between Genuine version and counterfeit version are VERY MINUTE-one of the best counterfeits made.

..of note, the second "s" of Swiss, should be positioned DIRECTLY under the "&" symbol on the GENUINE versions (just as it is of THIS threaded example).

...likewise, I have a 78360, Oyster, screw link band, that is so PERFECT, it would most likely fool ANY RSC.....BUT, it is counterfeit.

...hope this helps.

Stan.

TimeToGo · 17 March 2009, 06:15 AM

Quote:

...likewise, I have a 78360, Oyster, screw link band, that is so PERFECT, it would most likely fool ANY RSC.....BUT, it is counterfeit.

Say it isn't so....Stan, you have a counterfeit band!

Terry report this one to LC!!!

onkyo · 17 March 2009, 06:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TimeToGo

Say it isn't so....Stan, you have a counterfeit band!

Terry report this one to LC!!!

The truth comes out.

tudorman8276 · 17 March 2009, 06:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TimeToGo

Say it isn't so....Stan, you have a counterfeit band!

Terry report this one to LC!!!

...I do have a couple, for reference purposes only.

...I also have a couple FAULKER Tud's-very interesting stuff.

...I would LOVE to thread this stuff for the library here for KNOWLEDGE, but am afraid that I might get canned...

...besides, I do NOT want to get canned.....I WUV U GUY's.

Stan.

Terry Newton · 17 March 2009, 06:46 AM

Lady Casper is heading to Stan's house as we speak to RUB HIM OUT!

Fake bands owner. This needs to be spread to every decent watch forum through the land. We'll blackball Stan before he knows what hit him.

Terry Newton

tudorman8276 · 17 March 2009, 06:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Terry Newton

Lady Casper is heading to Stan's house as we speak to RUB HIM OUT!

Fake bands owner. This needs to be spread to every decent watch forum through the land. We'll blackball Stan before he knows what hit him.

Terry Newton

...as JJ would say, you T O S S E R...

Stan.

springer · 17 March 2009, 09:28 AM

Here is a link to my previous thread regarding the "small crown" stamped clasps which is a different thread than the one posted by Onkyo. These clasps/bands are also counterfeited like every other Rolex band and I believe there was a thread here recently on one of the counterfeit "small crown" Jubilee bands.

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthrea...ht=small+crown

onkyo · 17 March 2009, 09:30 AM

Thanks John.

I was looking for that thread...

stevemulholland3 · 17 March 2009, 07:55 PM

oh geez..I have about 15 fake bands laying in a pile below my work bench..
you would not believe how many watches I buy that have fake bracelets on them...I would say one out of five come to me with fake bands..so I usually factor in a replacement band to my purchase price..

Poohsan · 18 March 2009, 02:53 PM

I frequent a watch shop in Hong Kong on every trip, until recently. They deal in used Rolex. I trusted their selection until my last visit. I noticed that they started replacing all the bracelet with fakes. Everything else was real. I gather they are selling the bracelets separately to make more money. They asked if I would sell my bracelet while I was in the shop. I would not have noticed the bracelets except I asked to purchase a jubilee from them. They pulled out one with a small crown. I asked to see another and it was the same. After 5 bracelets I stopped asking. It was sad. I feel bad for the people who purchase there. I know this shop sells a lot of watches to European dealers.

Terry Newton · 19 March 2009, 01:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Poohsan

I frequent a watch shop in Hong Kong on every trip, until recently. They deal in used Rolex. I trusted their selection until my last visit. I noticed that they started replacing all the bracelet with fakes. Everything else was real. I gather they are selling the bracelets separately to make more money. They asked if I would sell my bracelet while I was in the shop. I would not have noticed the bracelets except I asked to purchase a jubilee from them. They pulled out one with a small crown. I asked to see another and it was the same. After 5 bracelets I stopped asking. It was sad. I feel bad for the people who purchase there. I know this shop sells a lot of watches to European dealers.

There are some Power Sellers that have been doing this, that I know are selling the bands through a different name, while they put cheap fakes on the Rolex watches. One company was doing this and I got involved in the process. The way they get around it now is by putting non-Rolex alligator bands on the watches. Now there isn't much that can be done about this practice. Scummy thing to do in my opinion.

Terry Newton

jeff hess · 19 March 2009, 10:23 AM

There are some Power Sellers that have been doing this, that I know are selling the bands through a different name, while they put cheap fakes on the Rolex watches. One company was doing this and I got involved in the process. The way they get around it now is by putting non-Rolex alligator bands on the watches. Now there isn't much that can be done about this practice. Scummy thing to do in my opinion.

Terry Newton

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Terry,

With great respect, I must vehemently disagree with you on this issue.

First, what is someone to do with a worn out bracelet on a 30 year old President? If the watch is very ugly due to a band stretched into almost oblivion, you had bet your bottom dollar we will put a fine alligator strap on the head and sell it like that.

If this forum is to now start policing simple leather straps or Alligator straps on a Rolex watch, well, this is going to be an all day affair for some of you.

It is just not viable to buy a brand new bracelet for a 30 year old day-date head. Nor would it be "correct" in the eyes of some of the more rabid on this forum. Neither would a brand new Alligator band by Rolex with an 18k gold buckle be seen as "correct" by some of you.

In essence why would a seller buy a Rolex gator strap and 18k buckle for 800 dollars only to see you guys call it an ersatz fake anyway?

Jeff

We put gator straps on old Prez heads and will continue to do so. Rolex even sold day-date's originally with a stap option!

Terry Newton · 19 March 2009, 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeff hess

There are some Power Sellers that have been doing this, that I know are selling the bands through a different name, while they put cheap fakes on the Rolex watches. One company was doing this and I got involved in the process. The way they get around it now is by putting non-Rolex alligator bands on the watches. Now there isn't much that can be done about this practice. Scummy thing to do in my opinion.

Terry Newton

----------------------

Terry,

With great respect, I must vehemently disagree with you on this issue.

First, what is someone to do with a worn out bracelet on a 30 year old President? If the watch is very ugly due to a band stretched into almost oblivion, you had bet your bottom dollar we will put a fine alligator strap on the head and sell it like that.

If this forum is to now start policing simple leather straps or Alligator straps on a Rolex watch, well, this is going to be an all day affair for some of you.

It is just not viable to buy a brand new bracelet for a 30 year old day-date head. Nor would it be "correct" in the eyes of some of the more rabid on this forum. Neither would a brand new Alligator band by Rolex with an 18k gold buckle be seen as "correct" by some of you.

In essence why would a seller buy a Rolex gator strap and 18k buckle for 800 dollars only to see you guys call it an ersatz fake anyway?

Jeff

We put gator straps on old Prez heads and will continue to do so. Rolex even sold day-date's originally with a stap option!

With equal great respect, I imagine you would disagree with me. However this person was involved in a practice that is not at all what you are referring to. This person was putting on cheap, gold plated bands on the watches and selling the real bracelets for great profit. The watches themselves were sold at great profit with their cheap, gold plated bands. Trouble ensued and, to get around it, there is now alligator (non-Rolex) bands put on the watches. Maybe a little more palatable, but his original practice was abhorrent. Respectfully submitted.

Terry Newton

onkyo · 19 March 2009, 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeff hess

There are some Power Sellers that have been doing this, that I know are selling the bands through a different name, while they put cheap fakes on the Rolex watches. One company was doing this and I got involved in the process. The way they get around it now is by putting non-Rolex alligator bands on the watches. Now there isn't much that can be done about this practice. Scummy thing to do in my opinion.

Terry Newton

----------------------

Terry,

With great respect, I must vehemently disagree with you on this issue.

First, what is someone to do with a worn out bracelet on a 30 year old President? If the watch is very ugly due to a band stretched into almost oblivion, you had bet your bottom dollar we will put a fine alligator strap on the head and sell it like that.

If this forum is to now start policing simple leather straps or Alligator straps on a Rolex watch, well, this is going to be an all day affair for some of you.

It is just not viable to buy a brand new bracelet for a 30 year old day-date head. Nor would it be "correct" in the eyes of some of the more rabid on this forum. Neither would a brand new Alligator band by Rolex with an 18k gold buckle be seen as "correct" by some of you.

In essence why would a seller buy a Rolex gator strap and 18k buckle for 800 dollars only to see you guys call it an ersatz fake anyway?

Jeff

We put gator straps on old Prez heads and will continue to do so. Rolex even sold day-date's originally with a stap option!

I like that ......more rabid on this forum.

springer · 19 March 2009, 01:44 PM

Jeff Hess wrote:
We put gator straps on old Prez heads and will continue to do so. Rolex even sold day-date's originally with a stap option!

Rolex leather straps could also be ordered on the Date and DateJust also.

It is just not viable to buy a brand new bracelet for a 30 year old day-date head. Nor would it be "correct" in the eyes of some of the more rabid on this forum. Neither would a brand new Alligator band by Rolex with an 18k gold buckle be seen as "correct" by some of you.

I don't think Terry, or anyone else cares what band or strap someone places on a Rolex. The issue is when they place a band on a watch that is not original, correct or counterfeit, and claim something to the contrary. The verbage usually goes something like this, 100% original, 100% genuine etc. We're just looking for some integrity from the sellers, especially when they should or do know better in any of these listings.

In essence why would a seller buy a Rolex gator strap and 18k buckle for 800 dollars only to see you guys call it an ersatz fake anyway?

I don't believe anyone here would call this fake, unless it is a fake.

First, what is someone to do with a worn out bracelet on a 30 year old President? If the watch is very ugly due to a band stretched into almost oblivion, you had bet your bottom dollar we will put a fine alligator strap on the head and sell it like that.

That's is good to know Jeff, I'd do the same. But, I wouldn't call it original.

If this forum is to now start policing simple leather straps or Alligator straps on a Rolex watch, well, this is going to be an all day affair for some of you.

I really don't see how you came to this conclusion from what has been posted in this thread.

17 March 2009, 05:12 AM	#3
greekbum "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Real Name: Nikos Location: Florida Watch: Rolex GMT 16750 Posts: 8,418	Almost every jubilee band watch I looked at from this seller had this style clasp markings? I am not that familiar jubilee bracelets so I cant say for sure. __________________ Follow Me On Instagram @nickgogas Original Owner ROLEX 16750 GMT Daily Wearer For Over 13,000 Days And Counting

17 March 2009, 06:10 AM	#6
tudorman8276 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: STAN Location: KY-USA Watch: Rolex Prez Posts: 12,583	...if you all will REVIEW the thread... ...that Pav (Onkyo) has referenced, starting at the TOP of the thread, you will see the DIFFERENCE between the FAKE at the top of thread and the genuine at the bottom of the thread. ...the clasp that is CURRENTLY threaded, appears to be of the Genuine type. It is oblong on the bottom of the crown/coronet (as opposed to the CIRCLE pictured in the TOP of the thread that Pav has referenced.) ...the real ones, which I have on my DJ and Springer on his GMT are in fact GENUINE, authenticated by Dallas RSC. ...they were made for the US market. The 16030 DJ I own, has the original Jub, just like this. ...as you can see, the differences between Genuine version and counterfeit version are VERY MINUTE-one of the best counterfeits made. ..of note, the second "s" of Swiss, should be positioned DIRECTLY under the "&" symbol on the GENUINE versions (just as it is of THIS threaded example). ...likewise, I have a 78360, Oyster, screw link band, that is so PERFECT, it would most likely fool ANY RSC.....BUT, it is counterfeit. ...hope this helps. Stan.

17 March 2009, 06:46 AM	#10
Terry Newton "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: Terry Newton Location: Michigan Watch: Rolex TT GMT II c Posts: 6,644	Lady Casper is heading to Stan's house as we speak to RUB HIM OUT! Fake bands owner. This needs to be spread to every decent watch forum through the land. We'll blackball Stan before he knows what hit him. Terry Newton __________________ Terry Newton; Superstar and Fake Sleuth "Z" SS Date Submariner "Z" TT GMT-Master IIc

17 March 2009, 09:28 AM	#12
springer 2024 ROLEX SUBMARINER 41 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: jP Location: Texas Watch: GMT-MASTER Posts: 17,300	Here is a link to my previous thread regarding the "small crown" stamped clasps which is a different thread than the one posted by Onkyo. These clasps/bands are also counterfeited like every other Rolex band and I believe there was a thread here recently on one of the counterfeit "small crown" Jubilee bands. http://www.rolexforums.com/showthrea...ht=small+crown __________________ Member of NAWCC since 1990. INSTAGRAM USER NAME: SPRINGERJFP Visit my Instagram page to view some of the finest vintage GMTs anywhere - as well as other vintage classics.

19 March 2009, 01:44 PM	#20
springer 2024 ROLEX SUBMARINER 41 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: jP Location: Texas Watch: GMT-MASTER Posts: 17,300	Jeff Hess wrote: We put gator straps on old Prez heads and will continue to do so. Rolex even sold day-date's originally with a stap option! Rolex leather straps could also be ordered on the Date and DateJust also. It is just not viable to buy a brand new bracelet for a 30 year old day-date head. Nor would it be "correct" in the eyes of some of the more rabid on this forum. Neither would a brand new Alligator band by Rolex with an 18k gold buckle be seen as "correct" by some of you. I don't think Terry, or anyone else cares what band or strap someone places on a Rolex. The issue is when they place a band on a watch that is not original, correct or counterfeit, and claim something to the contrary. The verbage usually goes something like this, 100% original, 100% genuine etc. We're just looking for some integrity from the sellers, especially when they should or do know better in any of these listings. In essence why would a seller buy a Rolex gator strap and 18k buckle for 800 dollars only to see you guys call it an ersatz fake anyway? I don't believe anyone here would call this fake, unless it is a fake. First, what is someone to do with a worn out bracelet on a 30 year old President? If the watch is very ugly due to a band stretched into almost oblivion, you had bet your bottom dollar we will put a fine alligator strap on the head and sell it like that. That's is good to know Jeff, I'd do the same. But, I wouldn't call it original. If this forum is to now start policing simple leather straps or Alligator straps on a Rolex watch, well, this is going to be an all day affair for some of you. I really don't see how you came to this conclusion from what has been posted in this thread. __________________ Member of NAWCC since 1990. INSTAGRAM USER NAME: SPRINGERJFP Visit my Instagram page to view some of the finest vintage GMTs anywhere - as well as other vintage classics.

17 March 2009, 05:05 AM	#2
JPersat "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Real Name: Jarrett Location: San Antonio TX Watch: ing everybody Posts: 1,515	Looks fake to me, it has the circle in the bottom of the coronet

17 March 2009, 05:23 AM	#4
onkyo Banned Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: Pav Location: Manhattan Posts: 11,495	There was a discussion about the extra crown on the bottom right not long ago ..... Check out this link --> http://www.rolexforums.com/showthrea...36#post1001236 And I think there was another discussion somewhere also? We need Stan the Band Man to comment?

17 March 2009, 05:39 AM	#5
chriseskew24 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Real Name: Christopher Location: fort lauderdale Watch: Bunches Posts: 1,860	I wouldent buy it..

17 March 2009, 09:30 AM	#13
onkyo Banned Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: Pav Location: Manhattan Posts: 11,495	Thanks John. I was looking for that thread...

17 March 2009, 07:55 PM	#14
stevemulholland3 Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: steven Location: tampa bay Watch: 1680 18k sub Posts: 6,672	oh geez..I have about 15 fake bands laying in a pile below my work bench.. you would not believe how many watches I buy that have fake bracelets on them...I would say one out of five come to me with fake bands..so I usually factor in a replacement band to my purchase price..

18 March 2009, 02:53 PM	#15
Poohsan "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Real Name: Arron Location: phoenix, AZ Watch: GMT 1675 Posts: 764	I frequent a watch shop in Hong Kong on every trip, until recently. They deal in used Rolex. I trusted their selection until my last visit. I noticed that they started replacing all the bracelet with fakes. Everything else was real. I gather they are selling the bracelets separately to make more money. They asked if I would sell my bracelet while I was in the shop. I would not have noticed the bracelets except I asked to purchase a jubilee from them. They pulled out one with a small crown. I asked to see another and it was the same. After 5 bracelets I stopped asking. It was sad. I feel bad for the people who purchase there. I know this shop sells a lot of watches to European dealers.

19 March 2009, 10:23 AM	#17
jeff hess "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Real Name: Jeffrey P Hess Location: florida Watch: Patek and Ball Posts: 516	There are some Power Sellers that have been doing this, that I know are selling the bands through a different name, while they put cheap fakes on the Rolex watches. One company was doing this and I got involved in the process. The way they get around it now is by putting non-Rolex alligator bands on the watches. Now there isn't much that can be done about this practice. Scummy thing to do in my opinion. Terry Newton ---------------------- Terry, With great respect, I must vehemently disagree with you on this issue. First, what is someone to do with a worn out bracelet on a 30 year old President? If the watch is very ugly due to a band stretched into almost oblivion, you had bet your bottom dollar we will put a fine alligator strap on the head and sell it like that. If this forum is to now start policing simple leather straps or Alligator straps on a Rolex watch, well, this is going to be an all day affair for some of you. It is just not viable to buy a brand new bracelet for a 30 year old day-date head. Nor would it be "correct" in the eyes of some of the more rabid on this forum. Neither would a brand new Alligator band by Rolex with an 18k gold buckle be seen as "correct" by some of you. In essence why would a seller buy a Rolex gator strap and 18k buckle for 800 dollars only to see you guys call it an ersatz fake anyway? Jeff We put gator straps on old Prez heads and will continue to do so. Rolex even sold day-date's originally with a stap option!

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