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21 November 2020, 05:47 PM | #61 | |
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So, much like yourself, I sit here thoroughly enjoying my 5 digit whilst catching up with the latest rants on TRF. Best of luck to those “playing the game” or whatever it is you call it. |
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21 November 2020, 06:04 PM | #62 |
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I don’t sweat it any. It’s jewelry afterall.
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21 November 2020, 06:26 PM | #63 | |
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21 November 2020, 06:55 PM | #64 |
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luckily my AD gets me (eventually) whatever i ask politely ask for at MSRP of course :)
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21 November 2020, 07:31 PM | #65 |
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There are basically two groups:
a. those who choose not to ‘play the game’ and have stopped buying or moved on to other brands, b. those who are still playing the game I suppose the ones moaning and groaning here are from group b. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
21 November 2020, 07:56 PM | #66 | |
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The brand certainly seems strong whatever.If they met demand do you think the brand would flourish also,I,m not sure? |
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21 November 2020, 08:02 PM | #67 |
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Unfortunately you cant do anything about it. Time will come that rolex watches will be worthless and will be readily available. The more people crave and pay the grey prices its not gonna stop.
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21 November 2020, 08:46 PM | #68 |
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I noticed when the two hands line up, they form what looks like a sword to me. That made me like it.
Like many of you, I’m also frustrated with the long time experience of lack of availability and remember going to our trusted sellers when they leveraged their volume for a discount on msrp ... they shared that discount with the customers and provided instant gratification. Then as many have pointed out, supply and demand changed all that. After briefly owning a few of the modern references, I find the 5 digit more to my liking. interest in other brands has resulted in variety in my collection and more enjoyment than ever.
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Exactly. Capitalism is a beautiful thing. The free market is at work.
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21 November 2020, 09:08 PM | #71 | |
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My AD is great, I have bought only what I want from the store, the longest wait was 3 weeks. But you should remember that your AD is a business, they have overheads to pay, if they don't get customers to spend then they go out of business. If you don't like the business model that your AD uses go and find one that meets your requirements.
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21 November 2020, 10:36 PM | #74 | |
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The only solution is to stop stressing and moaning about the situation. |
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I am late to the discussion but think we have another post that is really about money and what things cost. There is no shortage of Rolex watches, only Rolex watches at msrp. If money was not an issue and you bought what you wanted from the market then we would not be having this discussion or the many others. Don't get mad or emotional at something you can not control and have minimal impact on should you buy or sell in any market. I do not feel one way or another about AD's or Grey Market players as a whole and know some are great and so are not so much. I just focus on my watches and the watches that I want and enjoy my ownership experience.
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21 November 2020, 11:00 PM | #77 | |
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21 November 2020, 11:01 PM | #78 |
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Please do some research.
Rolex can modulate production. I have heard, but I cannot know for certain, that in 2020 they have cut back a bit on SS model production and increased, PM watch output. I am told (again, second hand) that pumping the PM end of the ranges will yield a particularly good profit margin at the moment. What they don't do is hire, train and fire watchmakers, open and close factories, start/stop production lines, to chase trends. Look at all the watch brands who are now locked into a model of essentially cannibalising themselves. It's about selling at any cost short of bankruptcy. And when that cliff edge finally arrives, merge with someone, get taken over or sell your heritage to a VC consortium. You can't get what you want. Rolex have taken a board level decision to piss you off and it's worked. Rolex need to do something about this. Killing their successful business model so you can get your watch probably ain't going to happen. In fact, I would go so far as to say that it will never happen. Just a guess. |
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This example probably belongs on another thread but I asked my AD sales representative in September to please notify me the next time they received a polar Explorer II. We had a frank discussion at the time about limited supply and that they wouldn’t see one until 2021 and that ultimately the AD owner determines who gets what based on past and potential purchase history. I understood all of this already. I’m no whale and they know it so I knew it was a long shot which is fine because I don’t need it - that’s the key. Yesterday I get the call. I’ve still never seen one in the case or in the wild, not in one or three or five or more years but they and other models can be had with patience and kindness. There is no urgency if you can remember that you don’t need it. |
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22 November 2020, 12:29 AM | #80 |
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Although an extreme example, Ferrari sales may illustrate where Rolex sees themselves ultimately wanting to go.
1. Extremely difficult to purchase one from a dealer without several previous new vehicle purchases, particularly of less desirable models. 2. A background check on prospective purchasers is run. 3. Average annual income of purchasers is US$1,000,000. 4. At times, for highly desirable models, the purchaser must sign an agreement not to resell the vehicle for one year except back to the dealer for purchase price. 5. Clear preference to sell to those with high public visibility - entertainment, sports, etc. 6. A sparse dealer network. I hope we don't see this for Rolex, but its not very far from where Richard Mille, Patek and AP stand. And I'd certainly rather purchase from a reseller than deal with the Ferrari model. I imagine Rolex is quite pleased with where things stand. |
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I think this is the gist of it. Rolex is a very long term focused company. They don't jump in a frenzy which could cost them in 10 years. Sure they leave money on the table now but I doubt the really care (still very profitable). That's the value of not having shareholders breathing down your neck. |
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[QUOTE=Sebastian5;11077387]Up to 5-7 years ago you could get any* model immediately at the AD. This is quite an unprecedented situation actually.
One guy says 1-3 years and another says 5-7 years. Well if it’s 5-7 years then the precedent has been set. Clearly it’s growing ever more difficult but this magical time when cases were full and unicorns wandered the streets is long gone. *In twelve years of paying attention I’ve NEVER seen an SS Daytona in an AD’s display case. |
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Ferrari up until a few years ago was as mentioned by fspro. Now since becoming a public company and ramping up production its a lot easier to get a current model. When I went to buy a 458 in 2013 I was told “NO” unless I purchased a used 458 with less than 1000miles at a $50k above msrp in a non red color. If I did so I would be able to spec a new 458 which would arrive in 2 years! I now have a Rossa Corsa 458
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It’s easy find another brand and stop complaining. This has been done to death. Instead of pounding keys go out and do something. If you can’t then move on.
I’m ready to leave this forum it’s the same nonsense day after day because instead of talking watches it’s the same drivel about AD and value and investment. |
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