32xx movement problem poll and data thread

[CharlesN]

Originally Posted by peterskinner

Nice, but in my experience of the 5711, it won’t have better timekeeping than the Rolex.

It is very stable at +.75 second per day
That’s pretty good

Maybe I should regulate it a little.


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[padi56]

Originally Posted by Sub King

Can somebody please summarize the findings of thread for an absolute moron (Me) who just recently acquired a 124060 as his first Rolex?

Should I be worried about the long-term functioning of my watch?

I’ve dreamt of owning a Submariner for over a decade and want to pass it down to my children/grandchildren as an heirloom.

Simple answer just put your Rolex on your wrist and enjoy wearing it check time once a week or so and thats it.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by CharlesN

It is very stable at +.75 second per day
That’s pretty good

Maybe I should regulate it a little.


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Hi Charles,
I like the 0.75 s/d ... especially the '5' which corresponds to 50 ms.
Of course you will not touch it.

[Dirt]

Originally Posted by Andad

They should use SAE 5W-30.

Mobil 1 Dexos spec?

Even better some 0W-20 or Singer sewing machine oil

[Dirt]

Originally Posted by padi56

Simple answer just put your Rolex on your wrist and enjoy wearing it check time once a week or so and thats it.

Perfect
That reminds me. I don't think I've checked the timekeeping on mine for around 3 weeks

[CharlesN]

Originally Posted by Dirt

Perfect
That reminds me. I don't think I've checked the timekeeping on mine for around 3 weeks

Dirt
Get the Timegrapher out.
And please don’t forget to let us see the results.
I am particularly interested in DU and 3U. Done for the full length …. Fully wound to stopped.


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[CharlesN]

Originally Posted by saxo3

Hi Charles,
I like the 0.75 s/d ... especially the '5' which corresponds to 50 ms.
Of course you will not touch it.

The ONLY person who touches the movement of my Patek Philippe watches is the watchmaker at Patek Philippe themselves.

I have done a short watchmaking course at Omega but that in no way qualifies me to work on (and probably ruin) my own watches.

The timing figure is worked out as an average over the past two weeks.

[Dirt]

Originally Posted by CharlesN

Dirt
Get the Timegrapher out.
And please don’t forget to let us see the results.
I am particularly interested in DU and 3U. Done for the full length …. Fully wound to stopped.


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Sorry no timeographer around these parts
I probably wouldn't be able to work out how to use it anyway.
Besides, I pay professionals to operate their own equipment on my behalf if I perceive there may be a problem.

On reflection, I know the timekeeping of my daily worn 2011 DSSD, that has remained consistent at -3 seconds/day since new with one service under it's belt.
The 2015 D-blue that runs consistently about -2.5 seconds/day since new when ever I feel the desire to wear it very occassionaly.
The 2016 DJ 31 daily wearer that belongs to my wife which runs consistently at +5 seconds/day since new.

We may have old school movements.
But we're appy

[padi56]

Originally Posted by Dirt

Perfect
That reminds me. I don't think I've checked the timekeeping on mine for around 3 weeks

Have to agree mate in over 50 years of wearing Rolex watches never felt the need for machine winders, timeographers, or any of today's Rolex owners toys.

[saxo3]

Post #17 from 23.01.2021

[CharlesN]

+1

[CharlesN]

Originally Posted by padi56

Have to agree mate in over 50 years of wearing Rolex watches never felt the need for machine winders, timeographers, or any of today's Rolex owners toys.

Could the reason you dont feel the need for winders be that you dont keep a watch with a perpetual movement and Moonphase running.

I do and if my watch stops because i dont keep it going its a real long pain to reset everything.

My Perpetual calendar watch came with a winder so the manufacturer (Patek Philippe) must know something.

My Annual callendar watch also has a winder box.

For Rolex watches and simple movement watches i agree, Winders are not needed or wanted. part of the enjoyment of a watch is setting the date, time etc.

[padi56]

Originally Posted by CharlesN

Could the reason you dont feel the need for winders be that you dont keep a watch with a perpetual movement and Moonphase running.

I do and if my watch stops because i dont keep it going its a real long pain to reset everything.

My Perpetual calendar watch came with a winder so the manufacturer (Patek Philippe) must know something.

My Annual callendar watch also has a winder box.

For Rolex watches and simple movement watches i agree, Winders are not needed or wanted. part of the enjoyment of a watch is setting the date, time etc.

Agree with watches that have a lot of complications one of the main reasons that Patek gives one free with there Perpetual calendar is to stop their owners buggering them up trying to set them.But with all Rolex watches no need for a machine unless you have lost the use of your fingers, so you cannot manually wind a stopped watch.

[CharlesN]

Originally Posted by padi56

But with all Rolex watches no need for a machine unless you have lost the use of your fingers, so you cannot manually wind a stopped watch.

I guess its just possible some people will have that sort of problem.

Otherwise NO winder needed for a Rolex unless its your butler.

[Dirt]

Originally Posted by CharlesN

For Rolex watches and simple movement watches i agree, Winders are not needed or wanted. part of the enjoyment of a watch is setting the date, time etc.

Agreed. But I normally only reset the time when the date needs to be changed so I compensate for a slow running watch by setting it ahead of time an acceptable amount, though I do prefer them to run a little fast

[CharlesN]

I always think it’s allowed for a watch to run just a very little fast but not permitted at all to run slow

Being late for something is the height of rudeness and can be downright disappointing when you are late for a train or similar

[Omarion07]

Originally Posted by CharlesN

Rolex probably (More than likely) have tweaked things on the 2020/21 watches. Maybe even before that.
No one will know. Rolex would never say anything.

I myself have never come across one of the “Bad” ones.

Your timekeeping of +0.5 SPD is really good.

You might even be able to improve the timekeeping …..
Try laying your watch down in different positions at night …. Try 3 up
That does the trick for me.
If that position does not work, next night try another way.
You probably will be able to get a zero error with just a little night time positioning.

And to make you feel a little more at ease ……. I bought my 32xx movement in September 2020 and mine is absolutely fine.

If you are still worried. ..... Amazon is your friend .. But a Timegrapher there. They are not expensive and can be fun.


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Thank you Charles. Yourself and Saxo3 have been very helpful with these posts.

I'm very happy my watch is running within advertised specs. Fingers crossed timekeeping won't deteriorate after 18 to 24 m9nths.

[CharlesN]

Originally Posted by Omarion07

I'm very happy my watch is running within advertised specs. Fingers crossed timekeeping won't deteriorate after 18 to 24 m9nths.

You will have terrible cramp in your fingers if you keep them crossed all that time.
Have a little faith.
Im pretty sure your watch will be just fine.
your future generations will be highly delighted..

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by CharlesN

I have completed the last of the 5 position tests on my movement (DD)

Pretty similar results as before but if anything even better timekeeping.

This is the last of this set of test results

Hopefully saxo3 will turn it into a graph

[CharlesN]

Thank you saxo3.

The graphs are VERY helpful. Much more visual than my charts.

I am now now doing the same test again (DU) but I have set my watch 12 hours in advance.

the "Dip" at 36 hours approximately is interesting. I wonder if it will now be at 24, 36 or 48 hours ?

[saxo3]

Recently, too much text and too little data.

This 32xx movement data thread needs more input from different watches!

[CharlesN]

Well maybe we could have some more volunteers who have a 32xx movement and have or would like to have a timegrapher

I can vouch for the fact that it can be quite good fun.

So. Calling anybody. Are you joining in ?

[CharlesN]

I will make an offer you will hardly be able to refuse.

But plese form an orderly queue as I am sure there will be lots of takers ....

Send me your 32xx equipped watch and I will do the job of monitoring it for you and reporting etc.

This way you have no excuse to not let your watch add to the statistics.

[CharlesN]

Finally I have finished the monitoring and logging of my 3525 in a Dial Up position from fully wound to stopped.

It lasted 71. 75 hours. Pretty good !

I had the watch set 12 hours wrong so I could see if there was any difference in how the amplitude runs down over the entire period.

I will post tomorrow (it’s 21:45. Here in the U.K.) the print out showing the new data collected and start to make a comparison between the two Dial up recordings.


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[CharlesN]

Here is my latest results chart from my Sub Date with 3235 movement

Now all I have to do is ask saxo3 to convert it into a graph with the other DU chart I did to see if offsetting the time makes any difference




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[CharlesN]

Here is my original from a couple of weeks ago (Yes I have been monitoring all this time)




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[CharlesN]

I have compared , as best I can, the two data sheets for the Dial Up (DU) positions as shown in the above two posts.

The experiment was to see if by setting the time to a 12 hour difference to the true time the "Dip" in Amplitude at aproximately 36 hours would move at all.

If it did it would possibly show that something in the watch was causing the amplitude to drop.

The time of the said "Dip" DID move .. By Aproximately 12 hours.

The cause of the shift has yet to be determined but it is quite possibly something to do with the date change beginning to engage or possible dis-engage.

Further research will be done. So .... Please "Stay tuned".

I have been in contact with saxo3, "The Guru of Graphs" and he will produce a graph later on for all of us to see.

[saxo3]

Charles, obviously the audience is lost ....

[CharlesN]

Thanks saxo3

WOW !!!
I do think I have got a pretty darn good specimen of a 126610.

Everything looks really good on the time keeping front.

[airchitect]

I love the fact that this thread exist. At this point my movement data is as such…… my Batman turns much more smoothly than my BLRO. That is all.


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