32xx movement problem poll and data thread

[Oxfordian]

Originally Posted by EEpro

My watch was losing minutes per week. I was trying to wear and enjoy and be a cool kid but it kind of sucked. Thanks

So you had a problem, you send it to RSC under warranty and they sort it, no big deal. That’s why you have warranty.

And yeh I agree, when these beauties stop running sweetly it’s a pain, but nothing more, these things happen unfortunately.

[Oxfordian]

Originally Posted by goodolejr

Forgive me if this sounds sarcastic or rhetorical (I'm not trying to be), but are you actually reading what others are posting here? Or do you just occasionally reiterate your same general comment when you see thread activity pick up?

You can be either sarcastic or rhetorical I don’t mind.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by CharlesN

Thank you for converting my data into a visual graph. Its so much easier to understsnd this way.

A comparison with your Submariner

[CharlesN]

WOW ! Thank you for those graphs ... I wish I knew how to do them, but, I think I will leave that pleasure to you.

It is amazing how similar the two watches are until around 57 Hours and then they seem to go in opposite directions and come back together at about 66 hours.

What seems to be VERY evident is that the Breakdowns as seen on the 3235 movements at around 00:00 and 06:00 do not seem to be showing on the 3285.

My Submariner-Date was new in Late September 2020 and my Explorer II was new in Late May 2021 A Difference of only about 8 Months.
Could Rolex have possibly changed something in the newer movements ?

It is interesting that as the Amplitude dropped the Timing error increased. This has been discussed mant times in other threads but never shown as proof like this before ... YOU ALL SAW IT HERE FIRST !!

I am currently running a second Power Reserve test so that I can confirm that the test as shown above is repeatable and therefore not a "Flook".

I am also doing the watchTracker recording on my iPhone simultaneously as it does not interfere with anything.

[saxo3]

Added my 126600 (3235) and 126710 (3285)

[CharlesN]

Thank you saxo3,

That graph is intersting so we can see so many watches together and see any patterns.

They are so similar but the GMT-Master Amplitude is surely too low. It needs a visit to the "Spa".

The Sea Dweller is excellent it seems. Very equal and smooth curve all the way except for the last 2 hours which does not really count.

The Submariner is good and steady again until virtually the end.

The Explorer II is something different .. The Increase in Amplitude at about 55 Hours is certainly strange as I have mentioned in a previous post.

Three of the watches shiw the breakdowns at 00:00 and 06:00 but strangely the Explorer II does not.

I am re-running the Explorer Power Reserve test as we speak It started as usual at 22:00 hours last night.

We need to add some more watches to this graph.

There are two reasons for this ..
The first, so we can learn more.
The second is to see how many colours it takes to produce some modern art

[saxo3]

[CharlesN]

The above graph looks good ……
I have just taken some LSD and I am wearing my rose tinted spectacles from the late 60’s and everything looks just great.

Peace Man !

[GBDiaz]

I'm new to all this and have been following this thread closely as I planned on picking up the new Submariner date as my first Rolex. I finally received my watch last Friday, and have been loving it so far. I unfortunately do not have one of those fancy machines, but I've been using the watch tracker app recommended by you guys. Since I downloaded it three days ago, I have only gained +0.3 spd. I know that the issues aren't really happening with the watches when they're new, so I'm just keeping a close eye on it in case something does pop up as I continue to use the watch. Just wondering, I notice you guys are postings graphs and info that show the 3235 has some pretty big dips in amplitude towards the of the power reserve. Is this something that can be remedied with a fix from Rolex (if they find whatever is causing it)? Like would they change out the necessary parts to fix the issue if they found what is causing it?

[saxo3]

Charles,

The color is back for your Explorer II Orange Hand.

Amplitude, Rate, and Precision vs Time.



Something to THINK before answering.

[CharlesN]

Originally Posted by saxo3

something to think before answering.

What ??? Me think ????? Impossible.

[CharlesN]

For the first 50hours the watch is very precise , accurate and works well.

After 50 hours things get a little stranger ... the precision seems to fall away and that obviously affects the rate.

But, I am running the test again, Already things look a little different but I am still goingto wait for the entire test to end before jumoing toany conclusion at all about eithr the results above or the new test currently underway.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by CharlesN

... the precision seems to fall away and that obviously affects the rate.

LOL ... so the precision of your watch is like Stan Laurel's car?

[CharlesN]

I have just finished a Power Reserve test on an Explorer II model 226570 which has a 3285 movement.

Here are some of the statistics:

The test was started at 22:00:00 on 17 July 2021.

The watch was in Dial Up position throughout the test.

The watch was fully wound at the start of the test and left for 15 mins before the start of the test for the watch to fully settle.

The temperture of the watch was a constant 29.6 Celsius.

The Timegrapher stopped after 69Hours: 55Mins at 19:55 on 20 July 2021.

The watch ran on to finally stop after 72Hours: 44Mins: 20Seconds at 22:44:20 on 20 July 2021.

At the same time as the Power reserve test I also ran a WatchTracker test. The printout will be uploaded shortly.
The total error in timekeeping from start over 72 hours (3 days) was -14.2 seconds.

I will add some graphs etc. when I have prepared them.

[CharlesN]

This is the graph from my WatchTracker app on my iPhone.




Although the watch lost a total of 14.2 seconds that is not what would be the true error if the watch had been worn for the three days.
The watch ran down to stop and as because of this the amplitude and rate were greatly reduced to show this error.

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[CharlesN]

This is the first screenshot from the TimeGrapher showing the progress throughout the power Reserve test.






The wording on the screen stating the the watch had "Irregular Amplitude" is because the watch had finally come to such a low amplitude after almost 70 Hours that it had become an unreliable measurement.
There were a total of 4,195 reliable readings before the final one.


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[amanbra]

Originally Posted by Oxfordian

So you had a problem, you send it to RSC under warranty and they sort it, no big deal. That’s why you have warranty.

And yeh I agree, when these beauties stop running sweetly it’s a pain, but nothing more, these things happen unfortunately.

The issue is that some of us have had the issue repeat post warranty work and Bas (our forum's watchmaker) has confirmed that no permanent fix has been issued by Rolex yet.

my DJ36, which is loosing time again, i'm going to put it on a watch winder, hope that the movement gets wrecked to the point they need to replace the whole thing at the 4.5 year mark.

[CharlesN]

Originally Posted by amanbra

i'm going to put it on a watch winder, hope that the movement gets wrecked to the point they need to replace the whole thing at the 4.5 year mark.

Putting your watch on a winder is very unlikely to wreck it at all.

If you do use a winder the correct setting is 650 Turns per day either CW, CCW or a mixture of both.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by amanbra

my DJ36, which is loosing time again

Not so good news for you.
Do you have some numbers before and after the warranty work?

[amanbra]

Originally Posted by CharlesN

Putting your watch on a winder is very unlikely to wreck it at all.

If you do use a winder the correct setting is 650 Turns per day either CW, CCW or a mixture of both.

I just want it ticking and wearing away at the source of the additional friction constantly so it's in the worst state possible at the 4.5 year mark.

Hopefully the faulty part completely falls apart and deposits metal parts throughout the entire movement rendering the how thing broken =)

maybe i should periodically unscrew the crown and just spin time forward as well who knows...

Hope it's running at -3mins a day when i send it in again.

[amanbra]

Hey also to those on this thread, a forum member crunkerman mentioned in an OP thread that his 32XX was running -8. It's the first time I've seen someone with a 3230 mentioned it was running slow =(.

[CharlesN]

Just to add a little more information..

This morning I ran the standard 5 position test and these are my results …….




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[CharlesN]

Originally Posted by amanbra

Hey also to those on this thread, a forum member crunkerman mentioned in an OP thread that his 32XX was running -8. It's the first time I've seen someone with a 3230 mentioned it was running slow =(.

I did not find his post, but it can depend on how he lays his watch at night and how long he does not wear his watch in any 24 hour period.

I manage to keep my watches running with good timekeeping just by choosing the suitable positin for any night.

If you do happen to see his post again please invite he to join in here.

(Ps... I have now found the post he made and have invited him to come and see this thread .. Thanks saxo3 for the pointer)

[Andad]

Originally Posted by CharlesN

Just to add a little more information..

This morning I ran the standard 5 position test and these are my results …….




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What are the thoughts on these results Charles?

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by CharlesN

I did not find his post

https://www.rolexforums.com/showpost...95&postcount=3

[CharlesN]

Originally Posted by Andad

What are the thoughts on these results Charles?

I am happy with the results.
I know the average for the Rate is just a fraction high but I am slightly suspicious thet the super hot weather we are having at the moment might affect the rate. I have done many sets of 5 Positions on this watch and this is the furthest "Out" it has been. It is still not exactly much out.

The Beat error is just fine. It could be better but not easily.

The Amplitude is just as standard as it can be. Again it could be higher but it would not make the watch timekeeping any better.

Sending my watch into Rolex for a regulation is just not something I would do with these results.

This watch is still very new and I will monitor it in case it "catches a bug" and timekeeping goes a bit wrong over time as has happened to some people.

With knowledge of these 5 positions it becomes a simple thing to decide how to lay my watch at night to ensure very good timekeeping.

I do have to add that although there are some forum members that think all my, and others, efforts to precisely time our watches is pointless at least I am enjoying doing it and learning quite a lot on the way.
Owning and using a timeGrapher has definately been a good and enjoyable experience for me.

[Andad]

Can you positional correct or are the negatives too extreme?

[saxo3]

Charles, my worthless 2-cents-try to help a bit …

- it is a new watch; do you already see some significant change over time?
- what is the reproducibility? (maybe too scientific for this place)
- to keep you busy ;-)) .... try 3 (better more) 5-position-measurements in a row.

It is very good that your V-amplitude values (after full winding) are so close, same for the H-values.
H: 272, 274 degrees
V: 235, 237, 237 degrees

Based on your own brain power, my friend, what is your progress on producing your own graphs?

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by Andad

Can you positional correct or are the negatives too extreme?

I don't give him a real chance to wear his watch, it is mostly in dial up position, mea culpa!

[CharlesN]

Originally Posted by saxo3

Based on your own brain power, my friend, what is your progress on producing your own graphs?

My progress on producing Graphs is immense as I am sure you can Imagine.

I have discovered one program for an iMac that can do it. The program is VERY advanced.

I have not tried nit but I know you have. You use it !

My attempt with another program was a disaster .. It didn't even start !