32xx movement problem poll and data thread

[Dennisoul]

Originally Posted by saxo3

Hi Andy,

Affter the discussion with Jeff, your 60 = 72 hours data make more sense!

Strong amplitude rises and oscillations towards the end of the PR have been measured, presented, and discussed in this thread (by me and Charles) several times before.

Therefore, I'm not surprised about your 72 hours data set. I will show your data in a comparable graph.

Cheers Saxo


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[saxo3]

To Andy, Jeff, Eddie, Charles

Here is a comparision between continuous and discrete power reserve measurements for your watches, all in dial up position.

The latest data sets, which you all shared in this thread, are displayed.

Interesting that the freshly serviced DJ41 from Andy looks very good or excellent.
It is on the same amplitude level as the new Submariner from Charles.

The last discrete DJ41 data point (at 72 hours) was taken while the caliber amplitude was rising towards the end of the PR. Normally, amplitudes and rates become very unstable there, no surprise for me.

To better monitor the trend, more data points would be required.

Again, a simple graph tells more than 1000 words.

Another proof how useful a timegrapher can be.

[CharlesN]

Thanks saxo3
That graph makes lots of logical sense
Yes a graph makes so much more sense than 000’s of words as it is just so simple to see and makes comparisons simple and fast

The 5 watches all seem to be remarkably similar in that graph with good power reserve and level running patterns

We are all OK it seems.

[CharlesN]

Originally Posted by Slimpee

Just ordered one.

I have no idea what y’all are talking about but I look forward to learning!

Great,
You will really have fun using it
I even have.a small queue of my friends who want to have their watches “Tested”

What watch do you have with what movement and we can give you the “Angle” that you will need to use to initially set your timegrapher.

If you don’t know the movement ref we can find it for you.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by CharlesN

The 5 watches all seem to be remarkably similar in that graph with good power reserve and level running patterns

Not really, I only see 4 watches.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by Dennisoul

Quick recap, sent my DJ41 126334 in for a service after reading this thread early June…bough my brand new from an AD in June 2017..never been touched or altered in anyway….as you can see by the results from these first set of tests it wasn’t running great…it’s now back from RSC in Kent…the next post will have the time grapher results from the last few days after it’s service…makes interesting reading…as you’ll see it’s like a new watch now that it’s had a totally overhaul from RSC

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Are the given hours after full winding (24,48,60) for this June data set (before sending to RSC) correct?
Or is 60 also 72?

[Dennisoul]

Originally Posted by saxo3

Are the given hours after full winding (24,48,60) for this June data set correct?
Or is 60 also 72?

June data was correct Saxo….60 hours test was @ 60 hours


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[saxo3]

Originally Posted by Dennisoul

June data was correct Saxo….60 hours test was @ 60 hours


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Thanks.

Here is a direct comparison before/after RSC of your DJ41 measured in dial up position, based on your data.



Interesting that after 60 hours (before RSC) your DJ41 had higher amplitudes in the V positions compared to the H positions, but the beat errors were very high (2.7 - 6.2 ms), see your data in post #1866.

Remember that normally both horizontal movement positions (dial up and dial down on the timegrapher) are the most favorable caliber positions for testing.

[Slimpee]

Originally Posted by CharlesN

Great,
You will really have fun using it
I even have.a small queue of my friends who want to have their watches “Tested”

What watch do you have with what movement and we can give you the “Angle” that you will need to use to initially set your timegrapher.

If you don’t know the movement ref we can find it for you.

Thanks! 53 deg for the 3235, right? I have found a couple of websites that have lift angles for lots of movements but if there’s a favorite source here, I’m all ears!

My wife doesn’t understand why I’m getting a timegrapher and thinks I’m too obsessed…

[Dennisoul]

Originally Posted by saxo3

Thanks.

Here is a direct comparison before/after RSC of your DJ41 measured in dial up position, based on your data.



Interesting that after 60 hours (before RSC) your DJ41 had higher amplitudes in the V positions compared to the H positions, but the beat errors were very high (2.7 - 6.2 ms), see your data in post #1866.

Remember that normally both horizontal movement positions (dial up and dial down on the timegrapher) are the most favorable caliber positions for testing.

For sure defo normally the case….the watch was running terribly bad and in 2 of the positions 9U & 6U the s/d didn’t even register on the timegrapher, added to the high BE it’s just as well I sent the watch in for service, as there was definitely something wrong with the watch. Thankfully it looks like they have done a great job at RSC.


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[Finslayer83]

124060 here, just got it.

Mine came in the plastic coffin (as presented and opened by AD), said all new 2021 models have a cardboard shipping box now.

So not sure if I have a 2020 or 2021 model. That said I'll be keeping an eye on it as it has the 3230.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by Slimpee

Thanks! 53 deg for the 3235, right?

Correct.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by Finslayer83

124060 here, just got it.

Mine came in the plastic coffin (as presented and opened by AD), said all new 2021 models have a cardboard shipping box now.

So not sure if I have a 2020 or 2021 model. That said I'll be keeping an eye on it as it has the 3230.

Congratulations!
Very interesting to hear good news from a 3230 caliber.
You want to share some photos of your new Submariner?

[CharlesN]

Originally Posted by saxo3

Not really, I only see 4 watches.

5 Lines I meant.

It was early morning for me and i had not had a coffee yet.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by CharlesN

5 Lines I meant.
It was early morning for me and i had not had a coffee yet.

[CharlesN]

I deserve that !

[Finslayer83]

Originally Posted by saxo3

Congratulations!
Very interesting to hear good news from a 3230 caliber.
You want to share some photos of your new Submariner?

[saxo3]

Beautiful watch

[TheVTCGuy]

You guys are going to have to teach me how to measure all this amplitude stuff, I just tried it on my OysterQuartz but the results didn’t make any sense.

I wonder what I’m doing wrong

[CharlesN]

Hi Paul
Send your OQ over to me and I’ll measure it for you.

[TheVTCGuy]

Originally Posted by CharlesN

Hi Paul
Send your OQ over to me and I’ll measure it for you.

Will do Charles, but make sure to fully wind it before testing, I’m sure it will have run down by then.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by TheVTCGuy

You guys are going to have to teach me how to measure all this amplitude stuff, I just tried it on my OysterQuartz but the results didn’t make any sense.

I wonder what I’m doing wrong

Hahaha.
What you are doing wrong?

Easy: before posting, you do not check if one can investigate a Quartz watch with a timegrapher or another special analyzer.

Anyhow, send it to Charles.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by CharlesN

That graph makes lots of logical sense.

The 5 watches all seem to be remarkably similar in that graph with good power reserve and level running patterns

Went onto some 50 Ohm terminations

[Slimpee]

Originally Posted by CharlesN

Great,
You will really have fun using it
I even have.a small queue of my friends who want to have their watches “Tested”

What watch do you have with what movement and we can give you the “Angle” that you will need to use to initially set your timegrapher.

If you don’t know the movement ref we can find it for you.

Just received it today...I went with the Weishi 1000. I initially ordered the 1900 but my wife was already made so we compromised on the 1000. I'm going to enjoy playing around with it!

[dannyp]

Originally Posted by Finslayer83

124060 here, just got it.

Mine came in the plastic coffin (as presented and opened by AD), said all new 2021 models have a cardboard shipping box now.

So not sure if I have a 2020 or 2021 model. That said I'll be keeping an eye on it as it has the 3230.

I didn’t read the whole thread, but I’d there some supposed difference between 2020 and 2021 in terms of ironing out links with the 32xx?

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by Slimpee

Just received it today...I went with the Weishi 1000. I'm going to enjoy playing around with it!

A simple timegrapher measurement procedure might be helpful for you to read and follow in order to produce comparable data.

You can find it in this thread in posts #1425 and #771
https://www.rolexforums.com/showpost...postcount=1425
https://www.rolexforums.com/showpost...&postcount=771

[Slimpee]

Originally Posted by saxo3

A simple timegrapher measurement procedure might be helpful for you to read and follow in order to produce comparable data.

You can find it in this thread in posts #1425 and #771
https://www.rolexforums.com/showpost...postcount=1425
https://www.rolexforums.com/showpost...&postcount=771

Thank you for the links. I'll get started on that, especially when the DJ41 returns.

Sidenote: My Oris Diver 65 has been sitting dial-up for several minutes and is timing at -3 seconds/day, 296 deg. amplitude, and 0.0 ms error rate. Not bad for a basic SW200-1 movement!

[Dennisoul]

Ok here’s my revised 60 hour test for my DJ41…I’ve done tests at 48, 52, 55 & 60 hours…I did a full wind then left it dial up till I did the 48 hour test….I didn’t re-do the full wind, 24 hour test again as there was no point as those would just be repeating what had already been done. I think looking at the 60 hour test its pretty obvious that RSC have done a proper job and got the watch running as it should. Just for info I’ll post tomorrow how long the watch actually runs for till it stops



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[Mystro]

For what it’s worth,
I just finished my 1st Power Reserve test on my new Sub41 126610LN warranty card 5/17/21 so it’s a very new/fresh model right from Rolex. On the wrist it gains about +0.75-+1.0 seconds a day which is outstanding. Over night Resting positions are very good at:

3UP gains +.50
FaceUp +.50
6UP neutral +0.0
9UP loses -0.50
12UP loses -1.0


Power Reserve yielded a very similar result to all my other (5) 32 series movements I have tested. Basically accuracy is outstanding for about that 50-55 hour zone. Then we start to see the slowing down gradually at first then at a accelerated rate.

Power Reserve Test:
07/31/21. wound/set +0.0 @ 7:15am. 3UP. +1.0 @ 9:30pm
08/01/21 +0.75 @ 6am +0.0 @ 7:45pm
08/02/21 -2.0@8am -4.0@1:30pm -5.0@5pm - 6@6:30 -8@9pm …………….…-9@11pm.
08/03/21 6:01am Stopped. Power Reserve :70 hours and 46 minutes
18 winds starts moving movement. 42 long winds to full top.

This would be considered a very good power reserve test for this movement.

I have done this mainspring test for over a decade with all my watches to monitor the health of the mainspring. I will re do this test about every 2 years unless something peculiar happens with accuracy.
I stopped monitoring amplitude unless there is a accuracy shift or issue pops up.


From my experience with many of these 32 series movements and others. Power reserve may actually get a slight bit longer after the first years as the mainspring gets some exercise and the movement slightly breaks in. I have seen a additional 30 minutes or so when doing a Power Test a year later from new. Other issues that cause me to run a more thorough check especially with amplitude if I see higher timing deviations in various resting positions. If your watch is +/- 2 seconds in any resting position I don’t get concerned. It’s when I see a movement gain +3 in on position and then lose -4 in another. That starts to go into my slightly out of regulation alarm mode with these newer movements. These are all tested fully wound over night resting positions.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by Dennisoul

Ok here’s my revised 60 hour test for my DJ41…I’ve done tests at 48, 52, 55 & 60 hours…I did a full wind then left it dial up till I did the 48 hour test….I didn’t re-do the full wind, 24 hour test again as there was no point as those would just be repeating what had already been done.

Not sure about this, Andy. Repeatability is not interesting?

Here is the DU result for your second test (green data points).



After RSC work this movement is now excellent.
Confirmed by the fact that all vertical amplitudes are identical.
Congratulations.