32xx movement problem poll and data thread

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by Michael N Q8

That was surprising...I use the iPhone app, so maybe not the best

Surprising?
I already remarked the problems with amplitude values, measured with smartphone timegrapher apps, back in April 2021.
https://www.rolexforums.com/showpost...&postcount=893
X-values accurate to 3 decimal places?

[CharlesN]

Originally Posted by Michael N Q8

That was surprising...I use the iPhone app, so maybe not the best

Michael,

Can you post some pictures of your measuring setup.
In particular show the phone position and the microphone and its position. What model of iPhone ?

FYI, I used several different microphones with an iPhone app to set a wall clock.

I went through several microphones that all gave very poor results until I found one that gave pretty good results. Good enough that I finally managed to set my clock to an accuracy level of less than +5 per month. It varies of course with temperature, but I can not compensate for that.
I do realise that the beat is somewhat more on a watch (28,000 region) compared to my clock 6000 region, but starting off correctly is essential for these measurements.

Better still, of course, would be a Timegrapher, They are easily bought for around the 100 US dollar range.
I have found that the fun i have had with mine easily made the purchase worth every penny

[Michael N Q8]

Here is a pic of how I take the measurements.




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[Andad]

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[saxo3]

Originally Posted by Michael N Q8

Here is a pic of how I take the measurements.

I also carried out tests in May 2022 and made the following observations:

To get reasonable readings, you need to make good contact between the microphone and the watch case, preferably at the crown. The influence and suppression of external noise is of utmost importance.

At the bottom left of your photo one can see the app settings you used.
I got the best results with:

- tick detection noise cancelling: on
- diagram noise reduction: very high
- rate measurement period: long
- bph detection: manual
- sensitivity: 17/20

Anyhow, a timegrapher is much easier to use, especially it provides more reliable and reproducible data with better accuracy and precision.

[CharlesN]

Originally Posted by Michael N Q8

Here is a pic of how I take the measurements.

Michael,

Thank you for the picture.

There are a couple of observations i can see from the picture....

You are using the headphone set for an iPhone ... I think you need to make a very "Solid" connection to the watch casebook. Some form of clip to hold the two together would help.

I think it might help is there was total silence around the watch. Is that a "Peli" case you are using ? If so perhaps you can close the watch in the case whilst measuring ? This might stop other noises from the surrounding area. That might improve and minimise some of the scattered results you are seeing.

But, I feel I must repeat .... A Timegrapher would be so much easier to do everything and the results will be far more accurate and useful.

[dlrolex]

So is this a legit problem

[Giovannibravo]

What device is being used to measure the accuracy when connected to the iPhone? I was hoping to get one myself.


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[csaltphoto]

Originally Posted by saxo3

I also carried out tests in May 2022 and made the following observations:

To get reasonable readings, you need to make good contact between the microphone and the watch case, preferably at the crown. The influence and suppression of external noise is of utmost importance.

At the bottom left of your photo one can see the app settings you used.
I got the best results with:

- tick detection noise cancelling: on
- diagram noise reduction: very high
- rate measurement period: long
- bph detection: manual
- sensitivity: 17/20

Anyhow, a timegrapher is much easier to use, especially it provides more reliable and reproducible data with better accuracy and precision.

I've used that app and find it mostly agrees with my real world results.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by saxo3

I also carried out tests in May 2022…

Correction: it was in May 2020

[Omarion07]

I was going through Rolex career vacancies on Linkedln (out of curiosity)and they have about 8 R&D listings distributed between Geneva and Biel. 2 of these listings in particular caught my attention and they were both based in Biel where there new factory is based. If these are any indication, Rolex definitely knows about the issue and is working on a fix and/or improving their movements (as many members on this forum have suggested).

I know this thread is not for speculation and maybe these listings tell us something and maybe they don’t but my point is that Rolex does care and they will fix things.







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[Marast-66]

For some reason i regret now for selling my 114060. don’t have at all interest in new movement.


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[Dirt]

Originally Posted by Omarion07

I was going through Rolex career vacancies on Linkedln (out of curiosity)and they have about 8 R&D listings distributed between Geneva and Biel. 2 of these listings in particular caught my attention and they were both based in Biel where there new factory is based. If these are any indication, Rolex definitely knows about the issue and is working on a fix and/or improving their movements (as many members on this forum have suggested).

I know this thread is not for speculation and maybe these listings tell us something and maybe they don’t but my point is that Rolex does care and they will fix things.

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It might be for the new Tudor factory as they're supposed to be moving out of the Rolex facility and into their very own.

[Dirt]

Originally Posted by dlrolex

So is this a legit problem

Going by the volume of warranty work going through the RSCs because of this specific issue. I would imagine that it is indeed a legit problem.

[Omarion07]

Originally Posted by Dirt

It might be for the new Tudor factory as they're supposed to be moving out of the Rolex facility and into their very own.

But Tudor has their own profile and job vacancies on linkedln .. this seems to be strictly Rolex but maybe Rolex advertises for both?


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[Dirt]

Originally Posted by Omarion07

But Tudor has their own profile and job vacancies on linkedln .. this seems to be strictly Rolex but maybe Rolex advertises for both?


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Either way, things are onward and upward

[dannyp]

Originally Posted by Dirt

It might be for the new Tudor factory as they're supposed to be moving out of the Rolex facility and into their very own.

Originally Posted by Omarion07

But Tudor has their own profile and job vacancies on linkedln .. this seems to be strictly Rolex but maybe Rolex advertises for both?


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Originally Posted by Dirt

Either way, things are onward and upward

Don't get too excited. I'm guessing Rolex has dozens of such engineers on staff already, and this is just another vacancy. If it truly needed the fixer for this, I'm guessing that would go through some specialty headhunter.

[Omarion07]

Originally Posted by dannyp

Don't get too excited. I'm guessing Rolex has dozens of such engineers on staff already, and this is just another vacancy. If it truly needed the fixer for this, I'm guessing that would go through some specialty headhunter.

Yeah maybe I’m reading too much into it.. either way at least they’re willing to improve things which is always a good thing


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[Dirt]

Originally Posted by dannyp

Don't get too excited. I'm guessing Rolex has dozens of such engineers on staff already, and this is just another vacancy. If it truly needed the fixer for this, I'm guessing that would go through some specialty headhunter.

No doubt.
I think i had already said that aeons ago in this thread.
There will be lots of people looking at it, but I fear they may be working part time or worse still not necessarily sharing everything they know with each other given the pace of progress.
Maybe they simply lack experience and Rolex sacked the teams of very good people who designed the movements for the Daytona and Skydweller

[gwozhog]

Originally Posted by Marast-66

For some reason i regret now for selling my 114060. don’t have at all interest in new movement.


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I wound my 126603 almost 3 weeks ago and have been wearing it only on weekends and couple hours at night during the weekdays because I cant wear a Rolex to work. Not only has the movement kept going but its only off by 4 seconds after almost 21 days. Never had a Rolex that kept such great time and never needed wound midweek. The 3235 movement is growing on me quick

[PekWatchGuy]

Nice to hear. But i hope you realize that this problem does not appear at first. Only wearing year or two.

Originally Posted by gwozhog

I wound my 126603 almost 3 weeks ago and have been wearing it only on weekends and couple hours at night during the weekdays because I cant wear a Rolex to work. Not only has the movement kept going but its only off by 4 seconds after almost 21 days. Never had a Rolex that kept such great time and never needed wound midweek. The 3235 movement is growing on me quick

[Andad]

Originally Posted by gwozhog

I wound my 126603 almost 3 weeks ago and have been wearing it only on weekends and couple hours at night during the weekdays because I cant wear a Rolex to work. Not only has the movement kept going but its only off by 4 seconds after almost 21 days. Never had a Rolex that kept such great time and never needed wound midweek. The 3235 movement is growing on me quick

Just for clarity how old is your 126603 and how long have you owned it?

[saxo3]

15.08.2022 E.
https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=868077

[gmtmister]

Time for service for my 126710BLRO dated September 2020.

Loses about 20 seconds a day!

Let’s hope it comes back in better shape…

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by Ale

Time for service for my 126710BLRO dated September 2020.

Loses about 20 seconds a day!

Let’s hope it comes back in better shape…

Sorry to hear! It will come back with better timekeeping.

Can you say something when the losses started to become visible for you? How often did you wear this watch and how long did it take to go to -20 s/d?

[gmtmister]

Originally Posted by saxo3

Sorry to hear! It will come back with better timekeeping.

Can you say something when the losses started to become visible for you? How often did you wear this watch and how long did it take to go to -20 s/d?

I wish I could be more specific…I wore it non stop for a year and a half and didn’t pay too much attention to it. Put it away for 4 months and when I picked it up was around the time I read this thread…and noticed the discrepancy in timing.

I’m not too worried though. I understand it’s a problem but it’ll be ok in the end.

I just want to make sure they don’t polish it since I love it all dinged up! There’s even some of my toddler’s teeth marks on it !!!!

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by Ale

I just want to make sure they don’t polish it since I love it all dinged up! There’s even some of my toddler’s teeth marks on it !!!!

A Rolex repair during the 5-year warranty period (normally) does not include polishing. To be 100 % sure, better specify everything they must not touch, in writing.

Good luck!

[gmtmister]

Originally Posted by saxo3

A Rolex repair during the 5-year warranty period (normally) does not include polishing. To be 100 % sure, better specify everything they must not touch, in writing.

Good luck!

Will do, thank you!

[XplorerII]

'd like to add data from my 2021 sub no-date, as well as get the forum's thoughts on if I should take it in. Bought it from a local grey dealer, brick and mortar store here in downtown chicago.

Having a hard time uploading the table I created due to dimension requirements from this site, but here are the key takeaways:

[B]Benchmark for time source: "Time is" website, no VPN/latency source. Same device utilized during each capture.
Baseline spring tension prior to measurement: I wound until I felt a slight abnormality/resistance in winding consistency, which I would hope is the clutch engagement. Approximately 30 winds.. sorry I didn't capture the exact # of full rotations.
Measurement duration: 8 Days
Habits of wear: During the day, nonstop with one 10 hour exception. During the night, approximately 4 nights dial up and approximately 4 nights worn. Approximately 8 hours per night.

Definitions:
Day # = ~24 since prior capture.
Real Time = Time according to "Time is"
Watch Time = Watch time during capture from “Time is”
Total Difference = # of seconds deviating from initial capture
Changes since last day = # of seconds increased since prior capture. All time values are representative of the increase in watch time behind actual time.

Results:

Day 1
Total Difference: -1

Day 2
Total difference: -3
Changes since last day: -2

Day 3
Total Difference: Not captured
Changes since last day: Not captured

Day 4
Total Difference: -11
Changes since last day: Not captured
Notes: Watch rested on its side (unknown orientation) for 10 hours during the day.

Day 5
Total Difference: -14
Changes since last day: -3

Day 6
Total Difference: -16
Changes since last day: -2

Day 7
Total Difference: -17
Changes since last day: -1

Day 8:
Total Difference: -26
Changes since last day: -9
Notes: Watch was worn to bed over this capture period.

[TheVTCGuy]

I discovered the problem, the 3235 has defective batteries.