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Gen 1570 or fake movement
I found a guy in vietnam who is associated with the fake watch trade but claims he has an unlimited supply of "new" "Gen" 1570 movements.
Sent this pic. Is this a gen movement or is there a tell somewhere it is fake. I already know the guy is not honest as I've caught a few lies I've not disclosed to him. I am just curious if this is the first confirmation of fake 1570 movements, or if this is a genuine Rolex 1570 movement |
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I would really want to see a higher resolution image, so I could judge the quality of the engraving, the finishing of the parts (e.g. chamfered edges), etc. Here is something to compare to.
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The, what I would call "middle" plate on my pic is smooth, whereas on your pic it has the lined pattern, one difference I see already.
I'm talking about the plate right under the purple colored wheel at 9 o clock. |
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I have yet to see a fake 15XX movement.
Plenty of the modern ones are floating around now 31XX calibers which is super dangerous when buying second hand. Keep us posted on this.... this will change the vintage world if its true... |
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Exactly, but this might be the first one, which is why I am asking. It was the claim of "unlimited supply of NEW 1570 movements" that peaked my suspicions.
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You may be right, it's just really hard for me to see in that photo. If you look at the legit movement, you can see that the plates are nicely chamfered. I suspect that cloned movements don't have that type of finishing. But again, we'd need better photos.
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I've asked the seller for more pics that are larger and in focus.
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It’s genuine. 15xx series movements haven’t been faked. The market or monetary reward isn’t there for them unlike modern calibres or 722/727’s.
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But still, they are just pictures and might have nothing to do with what somebody would actually receive.
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The placement/size of the “1570” engraved looks different. I agree about the finishing on the “middle plate”, AND the angle of the polished edge of the winding rotor looks different.
Also, I’m not sure I agree with the post that says there’s no market and therefore wouldn’t be fakes. Vintage is a HUGE market. I couldn’t believe what I was shown on a replica forum. There is way more out there than we think. Even vintage. I mean, they were cloning Tudor ETAs for Snowflakes! I looked into all this when I was shown a Snowflake that the seller insisted had genuine movement, case, and dial. Another user here helped me find tons of info to help me spot fakes in the future but at the cost of knowing, you really can’t be sure sometimes :( Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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But that doesn't mean it can't happen. In the past, I'm sure there was a really substantial initial tooling cost to manufacture parts, but that is probably getting a lot less expensive with various computer-aided technologies.
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Yes, thank you for putting that more clearly. That’s all I meant, that it’s not out of the question just because we haven’t seen it yet :) Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Hopefully the seller will respond with better pics. It just looks a little off.. and all the parts appear "factory new"
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No point in continuing, I just figured out the "seller" is using other peoples pics, he can't tag the pics, so he does NOT have possession .
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This "seller" just imploded and refused to "tag" any pics to prove they are not other peoples pics
So we are done here. |
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The seller could send you genuine movement pics and then supply something completely different once you send him money.
What does unlimited even mean? Ask if he supply you 100/month. That answer would be telling. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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It means he will just keep buying 1500 / 1501 / 1600 / 1601 and parting them out as required.
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I think it means he would happily take my money, but never ship
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1570/5 mvts were just £250 15 years ago, £750 about 5 years ago and I saw one sell for just under £1,500 a while back, now that (the thing that kept prices low) ratty donor datejusts and like are rare or fetching £3k+. With 5513/1680/1675/1665/1655 moving from £5k to £20k + in last decade, the fakers will move beyond dials, hands, mid-cases and case backs to calibres....as sure as eggs are eggs.
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