32xx movement problem poll and data thread

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by Easy E

All 3 verticals were pretty much the same.

I am NOT surprised that you observe this in all 3 verticals, just added your 01/2021 data in my post above.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by Murdoc370

After checking my original post, I'm just trying to paste it in a readable format out of Excel for you to C&P, but I keep failing :(

Any suggestions (besides a screenshot)?

Thanks, a screenshot is ok.
You have more than one 32xx watch?

[Murdoc370]

Screenshot - for now.

This is my only 32xx. I did measure my 3 cal. 31xx, too, which is of no use here though :)

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by Murdoc370

Screenshot - for now.

This is my only 32xx. I did measure my 3 cal. 31xx, too, which is of no use here though :)

Thanks, numbers look good after t = 0 h and t = 24 h.

More data points (0,12,24,36,48,60) would be better.

You can skip 12U measurements. Rolex does not regulate the caliber in this position, it also is a very unusual wrist position.

Which timegrapher do you use?

[Murdoc370]

Until today: Weishi 1000, but the recent arrival of a new Weishi 1900 will eventually lead to a new series of measurements I guess :)

Direct comparison of both Weishis showed quite identical results though. My trusty old No. 1000 still seems to work pretty well.

[Idcutthat13]

I have a datejust 126234 bought new at AD a month ago. The first day or two on wrist it was roughly a second or two slow per day. Then it was dead on for a couple weeks. Slightly gaining maybe 1 second per day. Then all of a sudden I noticed it’s slow by 5 seconds.
I realize this wasn’t scientific but I wanted to let you know what I’ve seen on wrist.
I do have a timegrapher and need to do a good, controlled evaluation of the watch.
When on the time grapher fully wound and after sitting there for 30 minutes the amplitude was roughly 270.
I have a solids understanding of how to correctly test it on the timegrapher so I’ll do that and post.

[jakjakman]

Question for those who have had their watch repaired under warranty to fix this problem. Are you happy with the repair? For example, if your watch was losing 30 seconds a day, is it back within a range you're happy with now?

[Easy E]

Originally Posted by jakjakman

Question for those who have had their watch repaired under warranty to fix this problem. Are you happy with the repair? For example, if your watch was losing 30 seconds a day, is it back within a range you're happy with now?

My DD40 came back in March 23 running at -.92sec/day 214.4amp, averages at 24hrs. I haven't checked it since. But, yes happy when it returned.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by Murdoc370

Until today: Weishi 1000, but the recent arrival of a new Weishi 1900 will eventually lead to a new series of measurements I guess :)

Direct comparison of both Weishis showed quite identical results though. My trusty old No. 1000 still seems to work pretty well.

When you start to use your new Weishi 1900, please adapt the parameter settings that the rate is displayed with higher resolution, e.g. 1.3 s/d instead of 1 s/d. The Weishi 1000 can't do it.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by Idcutthat13

I have a datejust 126234 bought new at AD a month ago. The first day or two on wrist it was roughly a second or two slow per day. Then it was dead on for a couple weeks. Slightly gaining maybe 1 second per day. Then all of a sudden I noticed it’s slow by 5 seconds.
I realize this wasn’t scientific but I wanted to let you know what I’ve seen on wrist.
I do have a timegrapher and need to do a good, controlled evaluation of the watch.
[B]When on the time grapher fully wound and after sitting there for 30 minutes the amplitude was
I have a solids understanding of how to correctly test it on the timegrapher so I’ll do that and post.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by jakjakman

Question for those who have had their watch repaired under warranty to fix this problem. Are you happy with the repair? For example, if your watch was losing 30 seconds a day, is it back within a range you're happy with now?

Not with the first repair (2019) of my Sea-Dweller (3235) bought in 2017.

The low amplitude problem came back in all three vertical positions. Needed a second RSC repair (2022) just at the end of the warranty period.

I cross fingers now but do believe that this is not the end of caliber repair for this watch.

I really like this watch and did not sell it after the 1st or 2nd repair.

This specific watch, a Sea-Dweller Ref. 126600 (3235), was the reason why I started looking into the 32xx topic..

Today I own two more watches, with 3285 movements, both run like crap.

[Idcutthat13]

Do I need to change any settings on my No. 1000?

[alphadweller]

Originally Posted by Idcutthat13

Do I need to change any settings on my No. 1000?

Lift angle should be 53.

[Idcutthat13]

Thanks. To elaborate on my above post, I’m not losing 5 spd. I seem to have lost 5 seconds in less than one day and now it does t seem to be losing or gaining.
I used a saw all for a minute the other day and wonder if that could have done it. From what I’ve read, it SHOULDNT have done it but that’s the only thing I can think of that would make sense.

[MikeyV]

Originally Posted by jakjakman

Question for those who have had their watch repaired under warranty to fix this problem. Are you happy with the repair? For example, if your watch was losing 30 seconds a day, is it back within a range you're happy with now?

I had two repairs under warranty. Just got it back from the second - running about 1.5 spd fast. Nice.

I was/am happy with both repairs, but the trust is gone. We'll see how long it lasts this time. Next repair will be on me!

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by Easy E

I plan (hope) to start the LV data run this weekend.

I had another look at my post 3404 (04.01.2023) and re-evaluated the status of your 32xx watch movements you measured about 7-8 months ago.

Based on the later input, given by Bas (07.04.2023) in 3829 for optimal values after full winding, I changed my "color classifiaction".

I am aware that you have sold some of these watches but cannot quickly find this information.

Anyhow, below is my updated table, I hope you find that useful.

It would be interesting to measure again (after about 7-8 months) your 126710BLNR and the 126710BLRO.

The 126619LB (WG SUB) you did already, it clearly decreased performance in 3U position, see 4264.

[Easy E]

Originally Posted by saxo3

I had another look at my post 3404 (04.01.2023) and re-evaluated the status of your 32xx watch movements you measured about 7-8 months ago.

Based on the later input, given by Bas (07.04.2023) in 3829 for optimal values after full winding, I changed my "color classifiaction".

I am aware that you have sold some of these watches but cannot quickly find this information.

Anyhow, below is my updated table, I hope you find that useful.

It would be interesting to measure again (after about 7-8 months) your 126710BLNR and the 126710BLRO.

The 126619LB (WG SUB) you did already, it clearly decreased performance in 3U position, see 4264.

Both DJs, The LN Sub, SD43, BLRO are all traded out - gone.

[Easy E]

Are is the latest on my 126619LB WG Sub. Due to current work load and family dynamics I did not get a 36hr reading, but the point is pretty clear - compared to 6-ish months ago.

[Easy E]

Several of the traded out models from my previous posts resulted in a 126618LB. Yes, 100% I knew the risks. This one, as far as time keeping, is dead on (today). Same deal as previous post, didn't get a 36hr marker.

[Idcutthat13]

17 hours into timegrapher test. Not being able to wear my watch for the day is not enjoyable.

[padi56]

Afraid today things like timegrapher machines can and sometimes take away the enjoyment of actually wearing the watch on the wrist to tell the time and what it was designed for.

[Idcutthat13]

Depends how obsessed someone is with it I suppose.

[Kevin of Larchmont]

Originally Posted by Idcutthat13

Depends how obsessed someone is with it I suppose.

Have you read these multiple 32XX threads? The obsession is legendary.

[alphadweller]

After I scanned my watches over 72 hours last weekend, I decided to put my spanking new timegrapher away. I won't be taking further measurements until the end of the year. Once or twice a year sounds about reasonable to me. Although I enjoyed checking the health of my watches, I find wearing them a lot more pleasurable.

I can have an obsessive mind, so I make a point of putting some boundaries on this thing for my own sanity. It would be easy for me to get sucked into data collecting beyond necessary. This is the reason it took me so long getting a timegrapher.

Once the diagnostic is established, I can accept the situation and move on. I'd rather know than not know. My SD43 is slow, and it's got low amplitude, so I won't be surprised or too upset if it gets worse and needs a visit to the RSC. In a way, knowing it's out of spec is therapeutic and helps manage expectations.

[Idcutthat13]

Originally Posted by alphadweller

After I scanned my watches over 72 hours last weekend, I decided to put my spanking new timegrapher away. I won't be taking further measurements until the end of the year. Once or twice a year sounds about reasonable to me. Although I enjoyed checking the health of my watches, I find wearing them a lot more pleasurable.

I can have an obsessive mind, so I make a point of putting some boundaries on this thing for my own sanity. It would be easy for me to get sucked into data collecting beyond necessary. This is the reason it took me so long getting a timegrapher.

Once the diagnostic is established, I can accept the situation and move on. I'd rather know than not know. My SD43 is slow, and it's got low amplitude, so I won't be surprised or too upset if it gets worse and needs a visit to the RSC. In a way, knowing it's out of spec is therapeutic and helps manage expectations.

That’s my exact mentality as well, and why I’m testing the watch right now. It’s new and I want to have one good test. Maybe I won’t test it again unless I notice poor performance. Maybe I’ll test every couple of years otherwise.

[Idcutthat13]

Should I bother testing beyond 36 hours? That would be tomorrow at 6:30am.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by Easy E

Are is the latest on my 126619LB WG Sub. Due to current work load and family dynamics I did not get a 36hr reading, but the point is pretty clear - compared to 6-ish months ago.

The 2-years-old Submariner WG degraded from January 2023 until July 2023.
W.r.t. vertical amplitudes the movement is fully sick now.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by Easy E

Several of the traded out models from my previous posts resulted in a 126618LB. Yes, 100% I knew the risks. This one, as far as time keeping, is dead on (today). Same deal as previous post, didn't get a 36hr marker.

The new Submariner YG has an excellent accuracy.
The movement amplitudes are surprisingly not good in vertical positions after 24 hours.

The Day-Date 40, repaired early 2023 and measured in 03/2023, just about meets the requirement (200 degrees after 24 hours) in all three vertical positions.
Movement accuracy is excellent after the repair.

[Idcutthat13]

So, looks good?!
Should I bother with another test in 12 hours? I'm happy with these results.

[Rocket_Man]

My Datejust 41 just came back from the NY RSC. I haven't posted here in a while. You can find pre-RSC data here on post 4167. I sent it in early June and the RSC letter came back mid Jun stating 'Customer requests Low Amplitude, No refinishing, Poor Time Keeping' Got a latter back from Rolex a little over 6 weeks later that states 'Service Operations Executed, Check Movement' So in Rolex fashion they are very obtuse what they do with your watch. I didn't expect them to say 'fixed low amplitude' but this is one of the ways I think Rolex uses to keep this issue out of the public eye.

Anyway.. when I got the watch back I noted that the winding felt a little different, and sounded different. Hard to say how it sounded different, but I'm very familiar with this watch and noticed it straight away. Not that it was a bad sound, just different. It's on the Timegrapher right now or I'd listen to it again. I also noticed the date wheel had noticeably stronger 'snap' when I set the date. It felt satisfying.

I set the time and date and wore it to work. When I got home I gave it a full wind and threw it on the timegrapher DU just to do a spot check. I'm not going to go through the whole data collecting thing right now. I just want to do a few checks. Whatever they did during this mysterious Check Movement it has certainty improved. At full wind it was 0spd and ~ 260 degress amplitude. Much improved and nothing to complain about. After 24 hrs it was still at 0spd, lost a little amplitude DU. I did a quick check at 12U (yes I know....) and the amplitude was hovering around 200 degrees. I'll take another data point at 48 hrs and then I'll wear the watch a bit longer before doing the full test.

In these pictures... the first picture is pre-RSC service showing the -20spd and low amplitude in DU. The second picture of just the Timegrapher display is after service at full wind and DU. The third picture with the watch in view is at 24 hours DU.

I sent this watch in just a few months before my warranty expired. The movement was obviously off. I noticed this wearing the watch in rotation with other watches both Rolex (all 31xx based) or non Rolex watches. It needed to be adjusted much more than any of them including my $1,600 watch with a Sellita movement. I bought the timegrapher to understand what was happening to my 'Superlative Chronographer Officially Certified' that I paid $10,000 for. It was clearly 'sick' and appears to have the 32xx disease. If I had waited a few more months I would have just shelled out $850 for Rolex to 'Check Movement' and fix a problem that seems to be a design defect in the 32XX movement. That would have really been annoying. After this service I have a 2 year warranty and you bet I'm going to check it periodically to look for signs of the 32XX disease and send it back again to avoid me having to pay Rolex to give me the watch I thought I already paid $10,000 for.

There are a few Rolex fanboys and apologist who criticize owners who are trying to figure out what is happening and educating owners who do care about their watches performance, what to look for and what can be done. There are some that suggest I should ignore the problem and just wear my watch in blissful ignorance. If I were wearing a TimeX I may agree with this attitude, but I paid for a quality timepiece by a company that has built a reputation for quality and that is why this watch is a $10,000 timepiece and not a $100 timepiece. I realize Rolex is never going to publicly disclose what is happening but the last thing I want to do is give Rolex money for fixing the problem that they built into my watch.