32xx movement problem poll and data thread

[Saint_Tail]

Originally Posted by csaltphoto

I remember that actually but as I recall it was either posted on April 1 or the TSB was dated April 1 so there was some suspicion...

Very very very suspicious 😄

[Rocket_Man]

I let the watch run for a week, either on the wrist or a winder. Then I did a better data take. I think it settled down a bit. At 24 hrs the timekeeping was within 2 spd and the amplitude above 200. I couldn't take data at 36 hrs, but at 48 hrs it was below 200. But I think Rolex's spec is 200 or greater at 24 hrs which it meets. I don't think there is a 32XX fix done to the watch. They seemed (I'm guessing based on how the watch winds post-service) to replace the barrel/mainspring and tuned it up to meet the spec. So symptoms addressed. I'll keep an eye on it, especially as it gets to the end of the service guarantee. As I stated before I don't want to pay Rolex to fix this movement.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by Rocket_Man

I let the watch run for a week, either on the wrist or a winder. Then I did a better data take. I think it settled down a bit. At 24 hrs the timekeeping was within 2 spd and the amplitude above 200. I couldn't take data at 36 hrs, but at 48 hrs it was below 200. But I think Rolex's spec is 200 or greater at 24 hrs which it meets. I don't think there is a 32XX fix done to the watch. They seemed (I'm guessing based on how the watch winds post-service) to replace the barrel/mainspring and tuned it up to meet the spec. So symptoms addressed. I'll keep an eye on it, especially as it gets to the end of the service guarantee. As I stated before I don't want to pay Rolex to fix this movement.

Thanks for the interesting data (3235 repaired in 07/2023). Below how I look at it :-)

[trali]

Originally Posted by danimal107

Maybe he’s misinformed and posting incorrect info.

Originally Posted by csaltphoto

I remember that actually but as I recall it was either posted on April 1 or the TSB was dated April 1 so there was some suspicion...

Yep. April, 1

https://www.watchuseek.com/threads/r...dures.5484799/

[Omarion07]

Originally Posted by trali

Yep. April, 1

https://www.watchuseek.com/threads/r...dures.5484799/

Ced Craig is one of the regular contributors to the countless 32XX issues threads and one of the most vocal about it. But pulling an April fool’s around such a niche subject is pretty lame IMHO.


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[danimal107]

Actually that is not the post I am referring to. It was just posted last week and sorry fellas but I can not find it again. It was in some random thread not even about the 32XX issues.

[GradeV]

If the 32XX amplitude problems are related to the compromises made to beef up the power reserve and make the watches more resistant to magnetism, do we know if any other manufacturer has run into similar issues?

[MikeyV]

Originally Posted by GradeV

If the 32XX amplitude problems are related to the compromises made to beef up the power reserve and make the watches more resistant to magnetism, do we know if any other manufacturer has run into similar issues?

Tudor has gone to 70 hour PR - no know issues like this so far.

I have a Pelagos with the Tudor in-house movement and it's fine.

[MikeyV]

sorry - double post.

[jukeboxs]

This thread has been very insightful, thanks to those instrumental in bringing this together (including Saxo3 and SearChart). I own 10 Rolex but have never paid that much attention to timekeeping (I didn't own a timegrapher) - partly as I own around 20 watches and wear in rotation. But, off the back of this thread, I bought a Weishi 1900 and took readings of my three 32xx watches, pasted below. My BLRO will be going back to Rolex this week, I've e-mailed my AD with my numbers (they claim ignorance to any knowledge of 32xx issues). So, this thread has been very timely, given I'll just sneak in before my 5yr warranty is up in 3 weeks time. So, thanks again.

Hopefully I've included all the relevant data below, but let me know if not.

[Obviously the BLRO needs attention, but the SD looks OK, and the LV is largely OK other than perhaps the average rate at t=0.]

[Dirt]

Originally Posted by MikeyV

Tudor has gone to 70 hour PR - no know issues like this so far.

I have a Pelagos with the Tudor in-house movement and it's fine.

Loads of manufacturers are moving to longer power reserves and it seems they aren't having issues like this with their movements.

I have a 72 hour manual wind GS that I wear on occassion and run it once a week with a full wind and it keeps time the same as it did when new in 2017.
Power reserve shouldn't be a factor on it's own.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by jukeboxs

This thread has been very insightful, thanks to those instrumental in bringing this together (including Saxo3 and SearChart). I own 10 Rolex but have never paid that much attention to timekeeping (I didn't own a timegrapher) - partly as I own around 20 watches and wear in rotation. But, off the back of this thread, I bought a Weishi 1900 and took readings of my three 32xx watches, pasted below. My BLRO will be going back to Rolex this week, I've e-mailed my AD with my numbers (they claim ignorance to any knowledge of 32xx issues). So, this thread has been very timely, given I'll just sneak in before my 5yr warranty is up in 3 weeks time. So, thanks again.

Hopefully I've included all the relevant data below, but let me know if not.

[Obviously the BLRO needs attention, but the SD looks OK, and the LV is largely OK other than perhaps the average rate at t=0.]

Thanks for your data and the acknowledgement.

All your tested movements are regulated in 5 positions (w/o 12U) and your analysis should not consider the 12U numbers, i.e., your MaxVar and Avg. values are different.

Obviously, you have tested watch [1] and [2] in parallel, with a difference of 15 min.
How did you do that? Each of your tests has taken at least 24 min.

Did you use your timegrapher with the higher accuracy setting? (I don't think so)
Do not test a 32xx watch in the periods 23:00 – 01:00 and 05:00 – 08:00.

Can you please add how often you have worn all threes watches?

[jukeboxs]

Thanks Saxo. (o; Yeah, sorry, my hh:mm start times are a bit approximate, could be out by 5-10 mins (I was working quietly on the PC during the test), the 2 mins should be pretty close. Gotcha on the 11pm-1am, I'll avoid that in future (I'm dead before 8am). I've redone my t=0 readings on the 60s average setting (these were on 12s default, I only noticed the chat on this later) - I'll post updated results in 2 days once 24/48 done. Also doing my other Rolex and 2 Patek for comparison - no surprise in a distinct step up in Amp for the 31xx vs the 32xx. I'll remove 12U, thanks, good to know (obv not paying enough attention to all the posts).

On monthly wear frequency, SDc & LVc c1 day each, BLRO c4 days.

P.S. Dang, just saw your comment on higher accuracy setting. I'll look into that (and redo my t=0 again!).

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by jukeboxs

On monthly wear frequency, SDc & LVc c1 day each, BLRO c4 days.

I don't understand this.

In the past I recommended measurements every 12 hours (0,12,24,36,48,60) … for checking isochronism … just saying.

[GradeV]

Originally Posted by Dirt

Loads of manufacturers are moving to longer power reserves and it seems they aren't having issues like this with their movements.

I have a 72 hour manual wind GS that I wear on occassion and run it once a week with a full wind and it keeps time the same as it did when new in 2017.
Power reserve shouldn't be a factor on it's own.

If I understand correctly the power reserve improvements in the 32XX movements came with a number of changes, presumably to fit more mainspring in without increasing the overall dimensions of their watches (ie without adding a second barrel for instance).

I am not allowed to post links yet; a good source is the May 2021 “In-Depth: The Rolex Chronergy System” on WatchesBySJX.

I was wondering if anyone else had performed similar engineering work.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by GradeV

If I understand correctly the power reserve improvements in the 32XX movements came with a number of changes, presumably to fit more mainspring in without increasing the overall dimensions of their watches (ie without adding a second barrel for instance).

I am not allowed to post links yet; a good source is the May 2021 “In-Depth: The Rolex Chronergy System” on WatchesBySJX.

I was wondering if anyone else had performed similar engineering work.

https://watchesbysjx.com/2021/05/rol...sis.html?amp=1
Welcome here. Did you read this thread?
It's a good article but does not add 2022/23 movement data and that's what we are looking for now, at least me

[GradeV]

Originally Posted by saxo3

Welcome here. Did you read this thread?
It's a good article but does not add 2022/23 movement data and that's what we are looking for now, at least me

Thank you!


I have been following this thread (and the now locked thread on WUS) as a lurker for some time. I have seen many ideas come and go but I did not recall anyone checking whether other manufacturers had come up against technical issues.

By 2022/2023 movement data, do you mean movements in the new watches released in that time (eg the 1908 and its 7140)?

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by GradeV

Thank you!


I have been following this thread (and the now locked thread on WUS) as a lurker for some time. I have seen many ideas come and go but I did not recall anyone checking whether other manufacturers had come up against technical issues.

By 2022/2023 movement data, do you mean movements in the new watches released in that time (eg the 1908 and its 7140)?

No, I mean all watches with a 32xx movements sold in (late) 2022 and 2023.
In addition, older watches that were serviced by a RSC in 2023.

Objectives:
(a) To see what amplitude values new watches have.
(b) To see what RSC is able to achieve during a service in 2023.

Of course one needs a timegrapher.

[Dirt]

Originally Posted by GradeV

Thank you!


I have been following this thread (and the now locked thread on WUS) as a lurker for some time. I have seen many ideas come and go but I did not recall anyone checking whether other manufacturers had come up against technical issues.

By 2022/2023 movement data, do you mean movements in the new watches released in that time (eg the 1908 and its 7140)?

This thread was started out of a desire to come to grips with and somehow quantify the regular incoming threads asking about other people's experiences of poor timekeeping of their newish Rolex watches.
It was remarkable to see the random posts pop up for watches as new as 18 months or so and how well they ran out of the box, then start to degrade to appalling timekeeping very quickly.
It was something Rolex owners weren't necessarily accustomed to.

We seek new input here in order to gain some sense that the issue is fixed

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by Dirt

This thread was started out of a desire to come to grips with and somehow quantify the regular incoming threads asking about other people's experiences of poor timekeeping of their newish Rolex watches.
It was remarkable to see the random posts pop up for watches as new as 18 months or so and how well they ran out of the box, then start to degrade to appalling timekeeping very quickly.
It was something Rolex owners weren't necessarily accustomed to.

We seek new input here in order to gain some sense that the issue is fixed

… or not.

EasyE's Day-Date 40 (3255), bought in 12/2020 and repaired by RSC (USA) in 03/2023, still has low amplitudes (in all 3 vertical positions, see 4341) after 24 hours; not very promising that Rolex Geneva has understood /solved the problem(s) AND shared this information with worldwide RSCs.

Anyhow, we know that a very high percentage of 2017-2021 watches with 32xx calibers had (and still have) amplitudes issues. Therefore, it's interesting to me what Rolex is selling in 2023, especially in relation to my own watches.

[whatsthetime?]

Originally Posted by saxo3

Anyhow, we know that a very high percentage of 2017-2021 watches with 32xx calibers had (and still have) amplitudes issues. Therefore, it's interesting to me what Rolex is selling in 2023, especially in relation to my own watches.

What about 2022 watches?
asking because you didn't mention this year. Also, I thought the 32xx caliber came out in '18?
Thanks

[Dirt]

Originally Posted by whatsthetime?

What about 2022 watches?
asking because you didn't mention this year. Also, I thought the 32xx caliber came out in '18?
Thanks

I think you're a couple of years out on the introduction date.
It may have been 2018 or 2019 when we started to hear of poor timekeeping with it.

[Dirt]

Originally Posted by saxo3

… or not.

I'm sorry, but I still try to maintain an optimistic bent.
I think I might still be displaying a tendency to be in denial on occassion, which colours my view of the world.

[brandrea]

Originally Posted by whatsthetime?

What about 2022 watches?
asking because you didn't mention this year. Also, I thought the 32xx caliber came out in '18?
Thanks

The 3255 movement came out in 2015 with the Day date.

[whatsthetime?]

Originally Posted by Dirt

I think you're a couple of years out on the introduction date.
It may have been 2018 or 2019 when we started to hear of poor timekeeping with it.

Originally Posted by brandrea

The 3255 movement came out in 2015 with the Day date.

Thank you both for the correction.

[brandrea]

Originally Posted by whatsthetime?

Thank you both for the correction.

just sharing what I think I know

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[whatsthetime?]

Originally Posted by brandrea

just sharing what I think I know

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I'd say you now more than I, for sure.

[SearChart]

Originally Posted by brandrea

The 3255 movement came out in 2015 with the Day date.

3235 as well, in a pearlmaster.

[brandrea]

Originally Posted by SearChart

3235 as well, in a pearlmaster.

nice, good to know

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[saxo3]

Originally Posted by whatsthetime?

Also, I thought the 32xx caliber came out in '18?
Thanks

The introduction dates of all 32xx movements:

2015: 3235, 3255
2016: -
2017: -
2018: 3285
2019: -
2020: 3230