Is it DSSD or SDDS?

[sevykor]

Originally Posted by Kingranch

Well, Superman can,..right?

Aquaman maybe?


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[Toivonen]

Originally Posted by Dirt

Yes it was and i could be wrong, but if i recall correctly the 5 digit Sea-Dweller was well and truly discontinued and replaced by the DEEPSEA 116660 in 2008.
Then the Sea-Dweller was re-introduced as a 6 digit with a Ceramic bezel insert and a substantially thicker mid case but no extra in depth rating at a later date and was only in production for a rather short time before being disconitinued again before the SD50 came out at Basel 2017.

In the context of the modern 6 digit era.
The Sea-Dweller has had a broken line of continuity.
Where as the DEEPSEA has been continuous.
Now, when the DEEPSEA was introduced, the DEEPSEA naming was at the top of the dial and in larger text then the Sea-Dweller text was located at the bottom of the dial.
This follows through with the D-Blue and DEEPSEA highlighted with Kawasaki green colour even if they are grouped together at the bottom of the dial.
Of course there is no doubt there are styling and marketing priorities at play in this, but i take it that DEEPSEA has a priority in naming even though it has a HEV in common with all Sea-Dwellers.
But a DEEPSEA is the king(unless it's a CHALLENGE), as it appears first and above so it follows that it is abreviated to a DSSD.
But either abreviation is certainly acceptable IMO, but as DSSD is more commonly used it is possibly more correct in the natural flow of things such as nicknames in their organic nature

Sorry Vittorio, but i have to disagree with you for once

don't Agree with you, in fact you can find "Sea Dweller" in Every Deepsea produced since Basel 2008 :D

the Reason it's clearly on the marketing Side, when it was launched the "bigger is better" watch era was at the beginning, and the "classic" Rolex customer though the SDDS was a little bit "too much".

This said, and obviously everyone can call it how he likes it the best, Rolex called it "Sea Dweller Deepsea" (I already posted a pic of the Manual, here you can see some photos of Basel 2008, read the tag)

[Kingranch]

So it’s a SDD.

[acorn]

Originally Posted by Toivonen

don't Agree with you, in fact you can find "Sea Dweller" in Every Deepsea produced since Basel 2008 :D

the Reason it's clearly on the marketing Side, when it was launched the "bigger is better" watch era was at the beginning, and the "classic" Rolex customer though the SDDS was a little bit "too much".

This said, and obviously everyone can call it how he likes it the best, Rolex called it "Sea Dweller Deepsea" (I already posted a pic of the Manual, here you can see some photos of Basel 2008, read the tag)

The key word is “called”.

It is not a configurable Sea-Dweller on Rolex.com.

VW introduced a car called the Rabbit but then changed the name to Golf. By your reasoning the car should continue to be called Rabbit. No one does

[acorn]

Originally Posted by Kingranch

So it’s a SDD.

I agree, Deepsea is one word. That has not changed since introduction but it should be DSD

[Toivonen]

Originally Posted by acorn

The key word is “called”.

It is not a configurable Sea-Dweller on Rolex.com.

VW introduced a car called the Rabbit but then changed the name to Golf. By your reasoning the car should continue to be called Rabbit. No one does

it was a "configurable Sea Dweller" until only months ago since 116600 and 126600 launch, now they've changed ;)

[Toivonen]

Originally Posted by acorn

I agree, Deepsea is one word. That has not changed since introduction but it should be DSD

Nope, as Rolex Called it's Sea Dweller Deepsea, so SDDS or SDD

[Tom Arai]

Deepsea own model and agree it is one word so yes DSD.

[rohada]

According to their website, it's just a D.

I didn't even see a mention of Sea Dweller on the Deepsea webpage. There are a few mentions of Sea Dweller on subsequent information pages, but it looks like Rolex is going out of its way to distance Sea Dweller from Deepsea. Or more accurately, disconnect Sea Dweller from Deepsea (which it is). But, why continue to have Sea Dweller appear on the dial, if it's not actually a Sea Dweller, according to Rolex?

[Tom Arai]

Originally Posted by rohada

According to their website, it's just a D.

I didn't even see a mention of Sea Dweller on the Deepsea webpage. There are a few mentions of Sea Dweller on subsequent information pages, but it looks like Rolex is going out of its way to distance Sea Dweller from Deepsea. Or more accurately, disconnect Sea Dweller from Deepsea (which it is). But, why continue to have Sea Dweller appear on the dial, if it's not actually a Sea Dweller, according to Rolex?

It is an Oyster Perpetual Deepsea full title from Rolex website, no mention about Sea-Dweller at all

[Tom Arai]

Originally Posted by Toivonen

Nope, as Rolex Called it's Sea Dweller Deepsea, so SDDS or SDD

Not Sea-Dweller but Oyster Perpetual Deepsea like above. Deepsea was always the name, never changed.

[Dirt]

Originally Posted by rohada

According to their website, it's just a D.

I didn't even see a mention of Sea Dweller on the Deepsea webpage. There are a few mentions of Sea Dweller on subsequent information pages, but it looks like Rolex is going out of its way to distance Sea Dweller from Deepsea. Or more accurately, disconnect Sea Dweller from Deepsea (which it is). But, why continue to have Sea Dweller appear on the dial, if it's not actually a Sea Dweller, according to Rolex?

Of course.
I look at it this way.
A Sea-Dweller has a common feature in the fitment of the HEV.
However, not all Sea-Dwellers can be bought with three distinct features.
1, is the fact that DEEPSEA features above and boldly above Sea-Dweller on the dial.
2, is the totally unique and ultimate Glidelock clasp.
3, is the RING LOCK SYSTEM.

Given the two superior features i have listed above i believe that DS naturally should be placed first in any abreviation.
Outside of the HEV feature, not every Sea-Dweller can be a DEEPSEA therefore its distinctiveness and superiority should be naturally placed first and foremost. Hense the DSSD avbreviation is more appropriate.
It is perfectly natural that most people refer to it as the DSSD.

As i have stated before, i accept both abreviations in our conversations but i think one is simply more appropriate and is more organic in nature and until Rolex starts puting DEEPSEA underneath Sea-Dweller on the dials, DSSD it is for me.
At the end of the day we all know what each abreviarion refers to regardless

[Tom Arai]

Originally Posted by Dirt

Of course.
I look at it this way.
A Sea-Dweller has a common feature in the fitment of the HEV.
However, not all Sea-Dwellers can be bought with three distinct features.
1, is the fact that DEEPSEA features above and boldly above Sea-Dweller on the dial.
2, is the totally unique and ultimate Glidelock clasp.
3, is the RING LOCK SYSTEM.

Given the two superior features i have listed above i believe that DS naturally should be placed first in any abreviation.
Outside of the HEV feature, not every Sea-Dweller can be a DEEPSEA therefore its distinctiveness and superiority should be naturally placed first and foremost. Hense the DSSD avbreviation is more appropriate.
It is perfectly natural that most people refer to it as the DSSD.

As i have stated before, i accept both abreviations in our conversations but i think one is simply more appropriate and is more organic in nature and until Rolex starts puting DEEPSEA underneath Sea-Dweller on the dials, DSSD it is for me.
At the end of the day we all know what each abreviarion refers to regardless

Yes exactly so, Deepsea always first.

[rohada]

Originally Posted by Tom Arai

It is an Oyster Perpetual Deepsea full title from Rolex website, no mention about Sea-Dweller at all

True. All are Oyster Perpetual and we abbreviate the actual Oyster Perpetual model as OP, but nothing else. No one puts OP in front of any Rolex abbreviation that I know of for any other model designation, and Deepsea is one word. Hence, D. Not OPD, not OPDS, not OPDSSD, not OPSDDS, not DSSD, and not SDDS. Speaking of which I need to update my signature with a D.

I get the HEV, ring lock, and glidelock points, but at the end of the day, the D is not a Sea Dweller, so why put that name anywhere on the dial? Especially since Rolex has gone to great lengths everywhere else to cancel it.

Thanks to the OP (see what I did there) for this discussion. And yes, I don't think too many people are thrown by DSSD or SDDS at the end of the day. All in good fun.

[Tom Arai]

Originally Posted by rohada

True. All are Oyster Perpetual and we abbreviate the actual Oyster Perpetual model as OP, but nothing else. No one puts OP in front of any Rolex abbreviation that I know of for any other model designation, and Deepsea is one word. Hence, D. Not OPD, not OPDS, not OPDSSD, not OPSDDS, not DSSD, and not SDDS. Speaking of which I need to update my signature with a D.

I get the HEV, ring lock, and glidelock points, but at the end of the day, the D is not a Sea Dweller, so why put that name anywhere on the dial? Especially since Rolex has gone to great lengths everywhere else to cancel it.

Thanks to the OP (see what I did there) for this discussion. And yes, I don't think too many people are thrown by DSSD or SDDS at the end of the day. All in good fun.

Yes agree no one uses OP in front because it is given as you say. Pointing out that Rolex do fully describe the Deepsea with other category but not with Sea-Dweller. Deepsea alone is best D too little haha joking.

[rohada]

Originally Posted by Tom Arai

Deepsea alone is best D too little haha joking.

Yep, Deepsea seems reasonable enough. This historical review of however you want to abbreviate it has been helpful to me. I learned a lot about a watch that I love and appreciated the input. Not sure why I assumed that Deepsea was a version of a Sea Dweller. Maybe because of Sea Dweller being prominently placed on the dial of all Deepsea watches in conjunction with the Sea Dweller name being around longer than the Deepsea name? Anyone's guess. Regardless, it's done now.

Maybe we should only use reference numbers...

[BigNasty66]

Originally Posted by Tom Arai

Deepsea own model and agree it is one word so yes DSD.

+1
I agree too

[acorn]

Originally Posted by rohada

Yep, Deepsea seems reasonable enough. This historical review of however you want to abbreviate it has been helpful to me. I learned a lot about a watch that I love and appreciated the input. Not sure why I assumed that Deepsea was a version of a Sea Dweller. Maybe because of Sea Dweller being prominently placed on the dial of all Deepsea watches in conjunction with the Sea Dweller name being around longer than the Deepsea name? Anyone's guess. Regardless, it's done now.

Maybe we should only use reference numbers...

I’m with you this has been a great thread

[Toivonen]

Originally Posted by rohada

According to their website, it's just a D.

I didn't even see a mention of Sea Dweller on the Deepsea webpage. There are a few mentions of Sea Dweller on subsequent information pages, but it looks like Rolex is going out of its way to distance Sea Dweller from Deepsea. Or more accurately, disconnect Sea Dweller from Deepsea (which it is). But, why continue to have Sea Dweller appear on the dial, if it's not actually a Sea Dweller, according to Rolex?

Do you want to see a pic of a Rolex Catalogue where The Deepsea is UNDER within the Sea Dweller Family? (as it was in the website until some time ago)?

[Toivonen]

Originally Posted by Tom Arai

Not Sea-Dweller but Oyster Perpetual Deepsea like above. Deepsea was always the name, never changed.

No, as I've said before. They change in the last period, I've already posted the original Manual of the first years (2008/2013), the 2008 (and it was the same in the years) of the tag which said "Sea Dweller Deepsea" and as it was in the website. I got catalogue too.

[Toivonen]

Originally Posted by rohada

Yep, Deepsea seems reasonable enough. This historical review of however you want to abbreviate it has been helpful to me. I learned a lot about a watch that I love and appreciated the input. Not sure why I assumed that Deepsea was a version of a Sea Dweller. Maybe because of Sea Dweller being prominently placed on the dial of all Deepsea watches in conjunction with the Sea Dweller name being around longer than the Deepsea name? Anyone's guess. Regardless, it's done now.

Maybe we should only use reference numbers...

it's incredible how people just read what they like the most.

[Toivonen]

[rohada]

Originally Posted by Toivonen

it's incredible how people just read what they like the most.

I was in agreement when you started, until I referenced my own user's manual. Rolex identifies mine as a Deepsea with no mention of Sea Dweller on their website, nor my user's manual. I have a 2016 and the user's manual says Deepsea only for that model, no mention of Sea Dweller. I, too, can post pictures.

My manual states on the cover

Oyster Perpetual
Sea-Dweller 4000
Rolex Deepsea

The manual identifies these as two separate models. The Deepsea is not referred to as a Sea Dweller in my manual. Your manual clearly does for that range of years of manufacture.

If you have a Deepsea made during the time when the manual identifies it as both a Sea Dweller and a Deepsea, then you are correct for those years, I suppose. But my Deepsea makes no mention of Sea Dweller on the user's manual. That's all I'm saying. Rolex clearly made changes to their manuals over the years and Sea Dweller is no longer a part of the naming convention. I'm not saying you are wrong for the specific period of time you referring to in the beginning. But it does not pertain to my Deepsea, according to Rolex. And it no longer pertains now on the website, according to Rolex.

Can I ask what year your graphics are from?

[acorn]

Originally Posted by Tom Arai

Not Sea-Dweller but Oyster Perpetual Deepsea like above. Deepsea was always the name, never changed.

Originally Posted by Toivonen

No, as I've said before. They change in the last period, I've already posted the original Manual of the first years (2008/2013), the 2008 (and it was the same in the years) of the tag which said "Sea Dweller Deepsea" and as it was in the website. I got catalogue too.

Originally Posted by Toivonen

it's incredible how people just read what they like the most.

Tom said the name Deepsea has never changed. He is right. Looks like you just read it wrong.

[Toivonen]

Originally Posted by rohada

I was in agreement when you started, until I referenced my own user's manual. Rolex identifies mine as a Deepsea with no mention of Sea Dweller on their website, nor my user's manual. I have a 2016 and the user's manual says Deepsea only for that model, no mention of Sea Dweller. I, too, can post pictures.

My manual states on the cover

Oyster Perpetual
Sea-Dweller 4000
Rolex Deepsea

The manual identifies these as two separate models. The Deepsea is not referred to as a Sea Dweller in my manual. Your manual clearly does for that range of years of manufacture.

If you have a Deepsea made during the time when the manual identifies it as both a Sea Dweller and a Deepsea, then you are correct for those years, I suppose. But my Deepsea makes no mention of Sea Dweller on the user's manual. That's all I'm saying. Rolex clearly made changes to their manuals over the years and Sea Dweller is no longer a part of the naming convention. I'm not saying you are wrong for the specific period of time you referring to in the beginning. But it does not pertain to my Deepsea, according to Rolex. And it no longer pertains now on the website, according to Rolex.

Can I ask what year your graphics are from?

I try to make a summary (obviously never had nothing against someone since I've started to post)

The question is: is the Deepsea a Sea Dweller, and in the Sea Dweller family? Yes, of course, as Rolex originally called it (Rolex Oyster Perpetual Sea Dweller Deepsea). Then, years after it was originally introduced, they modified its Name in "Rolex Deepsea" just to differentiate the line (given that in a year they would had introduced another Sea Dweller, the "4000").
"Sea Dweller" on the Dial doesn't lie

They changed the name in the Manual in 2013, but only months ago the Deepsea was under the Sea Dweller configuration page in the website (as it is in my 2022/2023 Manual...)

The pic with 116660 and 16600 are from Rolex Technical manual, 2008, The advertisement is a 2012.

[rohada]

Originally Posted by Toivonen

I try to make a summary (obviously never had nothing against someone since I've started to post)

The question is: is the Deepsea a Sea Dweller, and in the Sea Dweller family? Yes, of course, as Rolex originally called it (Rolex Oyster Perpetual Sea Dweller Deepsea). Then, years after it was originally introduced, they modified its Name in "Rolex Deepsea" just to differentiate the line (given that in a year they would had introduced another Sea Dweller, the "4000").
"Sea Dweller" on the Dial doesn't lie

They changed the name in the Manual in 2013, but only months ago the Deepsea was under the Sea Dweller configuration page in the website (as it is in my 2022/2023 Manual...)

The pic with 116660 and 16600 are from Rolex Technical manual, 2008, The advertisement is a 2012.

Peace on your overall summary. And peace on what you are saying regarding 2008-2013. As you said, Sea Dweller was dropped from the Deepsea in the manuals after that period. Your graphics align with your position. That's fine. Even Rolex user's manuals and advertisements dropped Sea Dweller post-2013 from what I can see. Their 2022-2023 catalog calls it a Deepsea. I'm good with what the website formerly stated, but now it's clearly a Deepsea in it's own category (in print and on the website), regardless of what's on the dial. That's weird.

I'm trying to understand one more thing in your post and I appreciate your input. You mention that your 2022/2023 user manual (I think that's what you meant) calls it a Sea Dweller Deepsea, but everything I see for that period says:

Oyster Perpetual
Sea Dweller
Rolex Deepsea

That denotes (to me) two different models (as is my user's manual from late 2016), similar to my earlier post. Forgive me, as that's the way I'm reading it, which may be incorrect. It's confusing how Rolex seemingly calls it different things in different places.

No idea why Rolex wanted to distance the Sea Dweller name from the Deepsea name in every conceivable way outside the the lettering on the dial. Just strikes me as odd. I get where you are coming from. I was just not completely understanding you earlier. All good.

[Dirt]

Originally Posted by rohada

Peace on your overall summary. And peace on what you are saying regarding 2008-2013. As you said, Sea Dweller was dropped from the Deepsea in the manuals after that period. Your graphics align with your position. That's fine. Even Rolex user's manuals and advertisements dropped Sea Dweller post-2013 from what I can see. Their 2022-2023 catalog calls it a Deepsea. I'm good with what the website formerly stated, but now it's clearly a Deepsea in it's own category (in print and on the website), regardless of what's on the dial. That's weird.

I'm trying to understand one more thing in your post and I appreciate your input. You mention that your 2022/2023 user manual (I think that's what you meant) calls it a Sea Dweller Deepsea, but everything I see for that period says:

Oyster Perpetual
Sea Dweller
Rolex Deepsea

That denotes (to me) two different models (as is my user's manual from late 2016), similar to my earlier post. Forgive me, as that's the way I'm reading it, which may be incorrect. It's confusing how Rolex seemingly calls it different things in different places.

No idea why Rolex wanted to distance the Sea Dweller name from the Deepsea name in every conceivable way outside the the lettering on the dial. Just strikes me as odd. I get where you are coming from. I was just not completely understanding you earlier. All good.

I too, see more clearly now
I note that the CHALLENGE DEEPSEA also has Sea-Dweller at the bottom of the dial.
It's origins or lineage have never been in dispute, for i have always acknowledged the shared feature of the HEV.
Further to this, i always believe that Rolex can and will do as they wish with regard to marketing because it's entirely their creation.
My position that DSSD is simply one of convenience which is probably the same as most people who use the DSSD abreviation. It comes naturally and the DEEPSEA is read from top to bottom of the dial on every variant.
As always, either abreviation is fine as we all well know what they mean.
In the absense of any declaration from Rolex themselves, perhaps it would be more appropriate if it were left up to the individual to determine as it's really inconsequential.
We do tend to examine things to do with the brand with great focus on the details and attribute too much significance.
The original question was very simple.

[Toivonen]

Originally Posted by rohada

Peace on your overall summary. And peace on what you are saying regarding 2008-2013. As you said, Sea Dweller was dropped from the Deepsea in the manuals after that period. Your graphics align with your position. That's fine. Even Rolex user's manuals and advertisements dropped Sea Dweller post-2013 from what I can see. Their 2022-2023 catalog calls it a Deepsea. I'm good with what the website formerly stated, but now it's clearly a Deepsea in it's own category (in print and on the website), regardless of what's on the dial. That's weird.

I'm trying to understand one more thing in your post and I appreciate your input. You mention that your 2022/2023 user manual (I think that's what you meant) calls it a Sea Dweller Deepsea, but everything I see for that period says:

Oyster Perpetual
Sea Dweller
Rolex Deepsea

That denotes (to me) two different models (as is my user's manual from late 2016), similar to my earlier post. Forgive me, as that's the way I'm reading it, which may be incorrect. It's confusing how Rolex seemingly calls it different things in different places.

No idea why Rolex wanted to distance the Sea Dweller name from the Deepsea name in every conceivable way outside the the lettering on the dial. Just strikes me as odd. I get where you are coming from. I was just not completely understanding you earlier. All good.

no, I said that in the 2022/2023 manual (I don't have the 2024 yet) the "Rolex Deepsea" is UNDER/WHITIN "Sea Dweller" Category/family, as it was in their website only months ago. You can "configure" a Deepsea starting from a 126600 just clicking on the size options. In this 3d has been said that wasn't like this, so I've just clarify that.
We can call it what we like the most, Sea Dweller History, Heritage and Name lives strong in the Deepsea

Bye from "La Banda della Valvola"!:thumbsup :