Ed White 321 vs Daytona: Which is the more special watch for a lifetime?

[codecow]

Originally Posted by Neil McCauley

Haha how can you make a statement like that and then end on "Each to their own."...

Enthusiasts can buy Daytonas as well, you know.

Agree, I think it’s reasonable to have both. Especially on the Daytona side if you nerd out on vintage references, gemset, platinum, etc… many options as well for Speedmaster.

They’re both classic chronos with an interesting history.

I started my collecting journey with Omega as it was the Bond watch at the time and since then I have always had a few in my collection including that first one.

Since I have no Daytonas at the moment and two Speedys that shows which I prefer. I still have room for a 321!

[Easy E]

Originally Posted by brandrea

ok … where do i send the dry cleaning bill for my coffee choke


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I'll send you a coupon

[diver2012]

Originally Posted by Neil McCauley

Enthusiasts can buy Daytonas as well, you know.

You're missing my point. Only watch enthusiasts would buy a 321.

A Daytona is just a status symbol to some.

[jb335]

The only thing more annoying than “people that buy Omega can’t afford a Rolex” is “only flashy insecure people that want to show-off buy a Daytona”

Both takes are lame.


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[brandrea]

Originally Posted by jb335

The only thing more annoying than “people that buy Omega can’t afford a Rolex” is “only flashy insecure people that want to show-off buy a Daytona”

Both takes are lame.


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Agreed. Both are fine watches and are worthy of high praise.

[Cru Jones]

Originally Posted by diver2012

You're missing my point. Only watch enthusiasts would buy a 321.

A Daytona is just a status symbol to some.

I'm pretty sure some people buy a $16k Omega thinking it a "status symbol". Maybe fewer than Rolex, but it is "just a status symbol to some".

[diver2012]

Originally Posted by jb335

The only thing more annoying than “people that buy Omega can’t afford a Rolex” is “only flashy insecure people that want to show-off buy a Daytona”

Both takes are lame.


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I never said "only". You made that up.

I said flashy insecure people would buy a Daytona - not a 321. Completely different.

Of course watch enthusiasts buy Daytonas as well.

I know loads of people with 0 knowledge about watches that wear Daytonas for show. They probably don't even know what a chronograph is though.

The same wouldn't be true of 321 owners.

[jb335]

Originally Posted by diver2012

I never said "only". You made that up.

I said flashy insecure people would buy a Daytona - not a 321. Completely different.

Of course watch enthusiasts buy Daytonas as well.

I know loads of people with 0 knowledge about watches that wear Daytonas for show. They probably don't even know what a chronograph is though.

The same wouldn't be true of 321 owners.

Fair point, you never said “only.” The sentiment was there though.

And I would question that people with “0 knowledge about watches” are wearing a Daytona. I think that’s far-fetched. And you know “loads” of them? Suspect.

I also think it’s a complete fabrication when people say they see Daytonas much more than Speedmasters or people wear Daytonas because “everyone” knows what a Daytona is. Total nonsense. 99.99% of non-WIS have no idea what a Daytona is.

I’m not saying you have said all of those statements, but I read those comments on TRF all the time and many of those things have been written in this thread alone.

I know I earlier expressed my preference for a Daytona over a Speedmaster and also my nausea at Omegas milking of the NASA connection but I now regret even taking part in this thread. While I may prefer one, I very much like both.


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[yessir69]

If Omega made the Ed without the fauxtina, I’m in.

[soulsea]

Having recently gotten an Ed White and already owning a white ceramic Daytona my honest opinion as an aspiring collector is that both are quintessential and peak representations of their respective brands/models and I love both, albeit for very different reasons. (I also like my moonswatch). The only modern Daytona I would choose over the 116500LN is the new Platona, and only by the slightest of margins because of weight and the display caseback ... hopefully the Rolex gods will grant me one at some point.

Unless one figures out how to wear it upside down the Ed White is really a watch for people that love and nerd out about horological history and for the most part really don't care about impressing anyone, nor about the most accurate way to keep time. The restaurant host will not give you a better table because you're wearing one and it will put most ladies to sleep ... but run into someone who is passionate about horology and you can't pry it off their hands. I'm sure this has been posted before but really worth a looksie: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZCXpo8Gbes

[rolesor2022]

Originally Posted by Driver8

I think Rolesor2022's account must've been hacked by a 10 year old, so best just let him be, and click that Ignore button.

My collection makes grown men weep. Keep coping and enjoy your plastic, undesirable little swatch

[rolesor2022]

Originally Posted by brandrea

ok … where do i send the dry cleaning bill for my coffee choke


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Chubby old boomers .

[Kevin of Larchmont]

Originally Posted by Driver8

I think Rolesor2022's account must've been hacked by a 10 year old, so best just let him be, and click that Ignore button.

I never ignore or block anyone, even those that live under bridges. I can still learn from someone I disagree with.

[wsrobert]

Originally Posted by gamingdoctor

He's unfortunately trolling. Just let it be...

However, I don't believe the 321 movement is hand made. It may be inspected and repaired by a single guy, but the assembly is still automated. The 321 obviously has the history behind it, but it's not some high horological movement - it's a workhorse movement that can be made cheaply.

The internet - where you can say anything!

And no, it is not assembled via automation. Nor is it made cheaply. A cursory search could have uncovered those facts.

But, internet.

[wsrobert]

Originally Posted by rolesor2022

My collection makes grown men weep. Keep coping and enjoy your plastic, undesirable little swatch

Nobody weeps over rolesor Rolex references.

[Scholar]

Originally Posted by jb335

I also think it’s a complete fabrication when people say they see Daytonas much more than Speedmasters or people wear Daytonas because “everyone” knows what a Daytona is. Total nonsense. 99.99% of non-WIS have no idea what a Daytona is.

Eh. I mean, this is true… but they also have no idea what a Datejust is (even though that's what they picture when you say 'Rolex'), a Submariner is, a Seamaster is, a GMT-Master is, a Speedmaster is etc.

They do (think they) know what a "Rolex" is, though.

Many of us have had the experience of complimenting someone's Submariner, for example, and hearing something like "It's not a Submariner it's a Rolex".

[Seddyspaghetti]

Originally Posted by jb335

I also think it’s a complete fabrication when people say they see Daytonas much more than Speedmasters or people wear Daytonas because “everyone” knows what a Daytona is. Total nonsense. 99.99% of non-WIS have no idea what a Daytona is.

Agreed. More non-watch enthusiasts would probably recognize or seen a speedy before a daytona.

No one cares about daytonas over two tone datejusts in the real world. Only watch people.

[Andad]

Originally Posted by rolesor2022

My collection makes grown men weep. Keep coping and enjoy your plastic, undesirable little swatch

[geoach]

I would get EW if I didn't need to take off to jump in a pool or lake..so Rolex for me

[karleone]

Both great watches. Daytona all day for the 100m water resistance, the unique design (the 321 looks very similar to a standard speedy that is half the cost), don’t like the faux patina on the 321, and Daytona bracelet looks better / better finish and quality.

[Lever Escapement]

Originally Posted by rolesor2022

My collection makes grown men weep. Keep coping and enjoy your plastic, undesirable little swatch

Jesus Christ......are you for real ?

[Toptimes]

Choosing between the Omega Speedmaster "Ed White" 321 and the Rolex Daytona is a matter of personal preference and what qualities you value most in a watch, My personal preference would be the Speedy, but the decision comes down to your personal tastes, interests, and what aspects of watch collecting resonate most with you.

[brandrea]

Originally Posted by yessir69

If Omega made the Ed without the fauxtina, I’m in.

Originally Posted by karleone

Both great watches. Daytona all day for the 100m water resistance, the unique design (the 321 looks very similar to a standard speedy that is half the cost), don’t like the faux patina on the 321, and Daytona bracelet looks better / better finish and quality…]

This is quite a common misconception as it’s not fauxtina. It’s done with purpose and historical reference.

From @logo

“it’s not fauxtina, it’s the same color it was on the 105.003 references leaving the factory in 1965. Just so happens that color has some character”

I wish I could find it, but I believe it was @logo or @ travelller that posted a color chart showing the different lume colors and why this specific color was used on the original and on the current 321.

From @ monochrome:

Finally, the hands have been modelled after the 105.003, meaning that, unlike the CK2998, they have the classic white colour and baton design – this reference was the first to use the Professional hands, while the CK2998 had metallic Alpha hands. This also means a white central seconds hand with a diamond-shaped tip. In the same vein, the subsidiary hands are painted white. Finally, Omega has decided not to use “fauxtina” and to stick as close as possible to the original colour of tritium paint (when new at least). As such, the hands and hours indexes are filled with light-beige-coloured Super-LumiNova.

IMHO, the lume color being different from the bright white hands, improves the legibility, and is probably another reason why Omega chose to use it

Anyway, once you handle a 321 in real life, you actually will see the build quality. It’s absolutely on par or above with the modern Daytona

[Easy E]

Originally Posted by brandrea

This is quite a common misconception as it’s not fauxtina. It’s done with purpose and historical reference.

From @logo

“it’s not fauxtina, it’s the same color it was on the 105.003 references leaving the factory in 1965. Just so happens that color has some character”

I wish I could find it, but I believe it was @logo or @ travelller that posted a color chart showing the different lume colors and why this specific color was used on the original and on the current 321.

From @ monochrome:

Finally, the hands have been modelled after the 105.003, meaning that, unlike the CK2998, they have the classic white colour and baton design – this reference was the first to use the Professional hands, while the CK2998 had metallic Alpha hands. This also means a white central seconds hand with a diamond-shaped tip. In the same vein, the subsidiary hands are painted white. Finally, Omega has decided not to use “fauxtina” and to stick as close as possible to the original colour of tritium paint (when new at least). As such, the hands and hours indexes are filled with light-beige-coloured Super-LumiNova.

IMHO, the lume color being different from the bright white hands, improves the legibility, and is probably another reason why Omega chose to use it

Anyway, once you handle a 321 in real life, you actually will see the build quality. It’s absolutely on par or above with the modern Daytona

And you can read it. Which I guess is weird these days.

[brandrea]

Originally Posted by Easy E

And you can read it. Which I guess is weird these days.

Well there is that too


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[bp1000]

Originally Posted by yessir69

If Omega made the Ed without the fauxtina, I’m in.

They did with 1861, the FOIS.

The markers are white but keep in mind the subtle differences. The handset for example are sword hands, the running seconds is an alpha hand, the chronograph hand is a stick hand, the pushers and crown are slightly different and so is the font

E.g.


FOIS comes primarily on strap but you can fit a Forstner flat link bracelet. I doubt the ed white omega bracelet fits, probably end links.

With the flat link

[illiguy]

Originally Posted by bp1000

They did with 1861, the FOIS.

The markers are white but keep in mind the subtle differences. The handset for example are sword hands, the running seconds is an alpha hand, the chronograph hand is a stick hand, the pushers and crown are slightly different and so is the font

E.g.


FOIS comes primarily on strap but you can fit a Forstner flat link bracelet. I doubt the ed white omega bracelet fits, probably end links.

With the flat link

The straight lugs on the EW 321 look so much better to my eye. Are they different from the FOIS, or just angle of photos?

[bp1000]

Originally Posted by illiguy

The straight lugs on the EW 321 look so much better to my eye. Are they different from the FOIS, or just angle of photos?

very true, the FOIS have a slight bevel on the outside edge whereas the 321 are true straight.

[watchfreak207]

For anyone that wants to geek out on the 321 movement.

https://revolutionwatch.com/the-comp...-calibre-2310/

[Bazil]

Originally Posted by Kevin of Larchmont

I never ignore or block anyone, even those that live under bridges. I can still learn from someone I disagree with.

Oh this is so true .. and refreshing ..