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Genuine Tudor 94110?
Heya all, do you think this is a genuine Tudor 94110? Any red flags? 🤔 The seller said the bracelet isn't original but apparently everything else is.
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It’s a complete fake.
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Everything looks off. Hands look like they’re on steroids
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As in, too large? I can see the snowflake on the seconds hand is too long on a genuine one.
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Maybe it’s just the angled shot that makes everything look big
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That's a super nasty one! Pointing out the obvious flaws is a bit of a forum no-no as it helps the fakers but I'd run fast from anything without an acrylic bezel pip and I'd be looking at the balance of the movement very carefully.
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It's fake.
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@ Linesider has a a good summary of what to look out for in 9411 which calls out most of the key issues. This includes oversized hands as one.
Agree with the others. The 2784 movement is also not original. |
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The decoration isn’t too bad - do you think it comes off a different Tudor model? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Why are you looking @ so many fake snowflakes? This is the second thread recently.
Just link the ad to the forum. Real, minty watches like that are $8-11k Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro |
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As per the comment below, unfortunately members try to refrain from pointing out what the actual discrepancies are with non-genuine ones so those that are just learning about the vintage Tudor/Rolex space like myself find it difficult to spot the fakes from the not. Add in the multitude of variations between each model, and it becomes really quite difficult to know if something is just an obscure variation or a fake. I wasn't sure if posting links is frowned upon as it may be looked at people trying to (secretly) drum up their own listing, but okay will do so.
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The rotor / bridge engraving has been faked before. The whole thing is fake. |
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There is a nice 9411 on ebay Australia for A$11K.. which looks good and is arguably attractively priced (i'm not affiliated with the seller for the record) |
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amazing deals generally 1) have very short window of opportunity as many others are up the curve on tells / what to spot and 2) require the ability to travel on the day If you just want a vintage 9411 to scratch an itch, my advice is to just buy one that has been pre-vetted. Otherwise be prepared to wait a while for that amazing deal... |
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The very first thing I go to is the model no engravings. Real old subs have the / at 45 degrees on all old pieces, not 60 degrees....
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Best to just ask, but as teckno stated don't expect to find the $10,000 watch at three grand.
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Thanks, and I understand. Even with some of the discrepancies from your guide, I struggle to see them eg the hands don't look thicker to my eye but others like the second hand sweep is far more obvious.
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Whilst that watch is stacked with howlers and the movement is clearly 'wrong', as I think I mentioned in another thread; the movement engraving is getting depressingly better. There are definitely the parts out there to do a good fake, these days, and fool all but the most expert. I honestly thought they would leave these alone, after all these years, but the rapid increase in value and popularity has made for treacherous waters.
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Genuine Tudor 94110?
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That’s what I was trying to say, I am very familiar with this model and have spent hours or days looking for a nice one. I ended up spending $10,500 for what I would consider a top condition 1982, or as nice as I can afford. It had been touched up/recut. You have to pay to play and if you are looking way below market price you will get nothing but fakes. A lot of times the “tells” aren’t disclosed because if we make a list of what’s wrong with these watches it just helps the people making fake watches. It’s also pretty common to have fakers or people with fake watches sign up here, ask about a watch to see if it will pass and they are often taking notes on what needs to be fixed. We try hard not to give these people any knowledge. Lots of them pop in, show off their latest inheritance and never post again. You are allowed to and I recommend posting links to the watch, it saves everyone so much time. No one here has ever bought a watch out from underneath somebody, we often share links to eBay auctions with each other. What is your budget? |
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Check those models out - there are a few for sale. |
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I picked up a pretty mint (maybe more luck than judgement) 79090 for ~US$4k a few weeks back. It's a lovely piece! It's not my pumpkin 9411 but it's getting an awful lot of wear and seems to be a great vintage/modern crossover.
Wearing my 76100 lollipop as I type, which has yellow->pumpkin patina as well, so a nice halfway house between the 9411 and 79090... lots of choice out there in the Tudor Sub world. A few 9401s around at the moment as well, available at reasonable money, if you'll accept some service parts and patina. e.g. from our forum: https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=952647 I saw a black 9401 snowflake (looked to have had a reasonably hard life) for even less recently - maybe on here as well or VRF.
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Can you stretch to 10-11 in 3 months? I say save up more $ and thank me later. I’d just wait, you want a snowflake obviously.
I did this early on, 2018 I wanted to spend 8-9k because that’s what I had plus a G or so and really wanted a snowflake but a nice flake was VERY hard to find. Lots of parts watches and damaged dial watches popping up back then, Most were beat to hell. Nice ones were not cheap even then. I started looking at GMT 16750’s because I thought I could make them fit my 8-9k budget only to buy a watch with a damaged dial, a nice one was 12-14 or so back then I believe. 3 watches later, thousands of dollars lost I ended up right where I started with a nice snowflake. Just save your money and buy the right watch the first time. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro |
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I could stretch it to that right now, but on my watch collecting journey, I've tried to always wait it out and look for well priced watches that are in the condition that I want. Sometimes, I've ponied up and paid over market just because of condition but unless a piece really speaks to me, I won't do so. And yep, I do like the aesthetics of a snowflake over the more neo-vintage models following it.
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Maybe we can get a list of good dealers in the outback… that should help. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro |
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