32xx movement problem poll and data thread

[Didlux]

Originally Posted by saxo3

Welcome!

When you get your watch back, I suggest you measure rates, amplitudes, beat errors in all 5 positions, after full winding and 24 hours later. A detailed timegrapher procedure can be found in post #5002.

Who repairs your 32xx watch, the AD or a RSC?
Did you read this thread?

The AD will service himself, no need to send to RSC ( there are only 2 AD in all Luxemburg, the RSC is in Bruxelles, Belgium)

Will read thread 5002 and do after service.

I already did when new and I can give you results (full winding)

Amplitude : 275 Lift Angle :53, Beat error between 0 and 0,1 Weishi 1900
DU _2
DD -1
3U - 1
6U -2
9U -1

Did not test after 24h when new

[Didlux]

Originally Posted by saxo3

Welcome!

When you get your watch back, I suggest you measure rates, amplitudes, beat errors in all 5 positions, after full winding and 24 hours later. A detailed timegrapher procedure can be found in post #5002.

Who repairs your 32xx watch, the AD or a RSC?
Did you read this thread?

The AD will service himself, no need to send to RSC ( there are only 2 AD in all Luxemburg, the RSC is in Bruxelles, Belgium)

Will read thread 5002 and do after service.

I already did when new and I can give you results (full winding)

Amplitude : 275 Lift Angle :53, Beat error between 0 and 0,1 Weishi 1900
DU _2
DD -1
3U - 1
6U -2
9U -1

Did not test after 24h when new.

[Didlux]

Originally Posted by saxo3

Welcome!

When you get your watch back, I suggest you measure rates, amplitudes, beat errors in all 5 positions, after full winding and 24 hours later. A detailed timegrapher procedure can be found in post #5002.

Who repairs your 32xx watch, the AD or a RSC?
Did you read this thread?

The AD will service himself, no need to send to RSC ( there are only 2 AD in all Luxemburg, the RSC is in Bruxelles, Belgium)

Will read thread 5002 and do after service.

I already did when new and I can give you results (full winding)

Amplitude : 275 Lift Angle :53, Beat error between 0 and 0,1 Weishi 1900
DU _2
DD -1
3U - 1
6U -2
9U -1

Did not test after 24h when new

[Didlux]

The AD will service himself, no need to send to RSC ( there are only 2 AD in all Luxemburg, the RSC is in Bruxelles, Belgium)

Will read thread 5002 and do after service.

I already did when new and I can give you results (full winding)

Amplitude : 275 Lift Angle :53, Beat error between 0 and 0,1 Weishi 1900
DU _2
DD -1
3U - 1
6U -2
9U -1

Did not test after 24h when new

[Didlux]

The AD will service himself, no need to send to RSC ( there are only 2 AD in all Luxemburg, the RSC is in Bruxelles, Belgium)

Will read thread 5002 and do after service.

I already did when new and I can give you results (full winding)

Amplitude : 275 Lift Angle :53, Beat error between 0 and 0,1 Weishi 1900
DU _2
DD -1
3U - 1
6U -2
9U -1

Did not test after 24h when new.

[Didlux]

The AD will service himself, no need to send to RSC ( there are only 2 AD in all Luxemburg, the RSC is in Bruxelles, Belgium)

Will read thread 5002 and do after service.

I already did when new and I can give you results (full winding)

Amplitude : 275 Lift Angle :53, Beat error between 0 and 0,1 Weishi 1900
DU _2
DD -1
3U - 1
6U -2
9U -1

Did not test after 24h when new

[Didlux]

Originally Posted by saxo3

Welcome!

When you get your watch back, I suggest you measure rates, amplitudes, beat errors in all 5 positions, after full winding and 24 hours later. A detailed timegrapher procedure can be found in post #5002.

Who repairs your 32xx watch, the AD or a RSC?
Did you read this thread?

The AD will service himself, no need to send to RSC ( there are only 2 AD in all Luxemburg, the RSC is in Bruxelles, Belgium)

Will read thread 5002 and do after service.

I already did when new and I can give you results (full winding)

Amplitude : 275 Lift Angle :53, Beat error between 0 and 0,1 Weishi 1900
DU _2
DD -1
3U - 1
6U -2
9U -1

Did not test after 24h when new

[Didlux]

Good morning, I’m sorry for those multiple messages : I talk yesterday with the moderator and sent him copy of the errors I was getting. Perhaps double messages can be deleted by him.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by Didlux

Amplitude : 275 Lift Angle :53, Beat error between 0 and 0,1 Weishi 1900
DU _2
DD -1
3U - 1
6U -2
9U -1

Change the Weishi 1900 rate range from 999 s/d to 99.9 s/d to increase rate resoltion.

[Didlux]

Here are the results with your recommended settings.


I use Watch Tracker for IPhone: during last 7 days average was -1,54 with watch worn 15 hours a day and set dial up at night

So, I can say that real life measures and Weishi measures are coherent.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by Didlux

I use Watch Tracker for IPhone: during last 7 days average was -1,54 with watch worn 15 hours a day and set dial up at night

Can you post a screenshot for this Watch Tracker 7 days period?

[Didlux]

Originally Posted by saxo3

Can you post a screenshot for this Watch Tracker 7 days period?

Let me try

[Didlux]

[saxo3]

Thank you. This is (very) consistent timekeeping, without much fluctuation. It is interesting that this watch loses time even at rest overnight in DU position, although you measure a slightly positive rate (+ 0.2 s/d) with your timegrapher. Do you understand this?


Repeat this measurement after full winding (t = 0) and 24 hours later (t = 24).
Keep the watch in DU position (on your timegrapher) without moving or winding between both measurements. When you start full winding, the watch should be at ambient (room) temperature.

[Didlux]

Originally Posted by saxo3

Thank you. This is (very) consistent timekeeping, without much fluctuation. It is interesting that this watch loses time even at rest overnight in DU position, although you measure a slightly positive rate (+ 0.2 s/d) with your timegrapher. Do you understand this?

I don't really understand, I would preferred the watch to advance by 2s a day. The watch is brand new, I think I'll wait a month more to see how the drift evolves and will perhaps ask my AD is a fine tuning can be done.

My old GMT 16710 from 1996 has been service and works +1s a day and all my rolex are generally + 1 to +3 s/day

[saxo3]

The 9U amplitude (219 degrees) after full winding is quite low. Do the t = 0 h and t = 24 h timegrapher measurements as suggested above, otherwise I can't help you any further.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by Didlux

Hello from Luxemburg, this is my first post here. My daughter bought a new DJ 36 with 32xx 24 months ago….

Originally Posted by Didlux

The watch is brand new…

Brand new? No, it is 2 years old. Are we talking about your daughter's DJ36 or another watch?

[Didlux]

My Daughter's DJ is 2 years old. My GMT Master is one week old.

[Didlux]

Originally Posted by saxo3

The 9U amplitude (219 degrees) after full winding is quite low. Do the t = 0 h and t = 24 h timegrapher measurements as suggested above, otherwise I can't help you any further.

Here it is. This GMT is only one week old.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by Didlux

Here it is. This GMT is only one week old.

This new GMT 3285 movement is "sick" right out of the box.

All 3 vertical amplitudes, measured 24 hours after full winding, are either close or outside Rolex specifications (min. 200° after 24 hours).

[Didlux]

Originally Posted by saxo3

This new GMT 3285 movement is "sick" right out of the box.

All 3 vertical amplitudes, measured 24 hours after full winding, are either close or outside Rolex specifications (min. 200° after 24 hours).

Thanks for help. I fully agree.

I'll ask my AD right now to have look at with his Witchi to confirm but I don’t think the Weishi can be so wrong. Will have tonight the 48h values to confirm.
All other 31xx and Tudor are showing very good values and the drift are plus or less what I get in the real life.

[Didlux]

I have a meeting today with my AD to bring back this 3285. Will see what they think about those measures (watch is one week old)

[SuperStrats4Life]

New joiner but I’ve been watching this thread closely as I’m considering an Explorer 40 or GRNR. Curious if we have distribution of reported issues by movement? From my read through this thread it appears that the issue is disproportionality affecting the 3285 so it could be something related to the more complex GMT movement as compared to the 3230 but could also just as easily be that more GMT owners are submitting data.

[Didlux]

This GMT has just been given back to the AD. They will check it with their instruments and will let me know quickly.

[sheldonsmith]

Originally Posted by SuperStrats4Life

New joiner but I’ve been watching this thread closely as I’m considering an Explorer 40 or GRNR. Curious if we have distribution of reported issues by movement? From my read through this thread it appears that the issue is disproportionality affecting the 3285 so it could be something related to the more complex GMT movement as compared to the 3230 but could also just as easily be that more GMT owners are submitting data.

It's related to any 32xx movement. I had repeated issues with a GMT and a SeaDweller 43; both were serviced twice only to have the issue return. Both watches are now gone and I now only own 31xx movement watches.

[motodude95]

Genuinely curious question here for the group. If the 32xx problems are as prevalent as they seem, why are prices not reflecting this? Everyone is still asking premiums over retail for new Rolex's and people seem to be buying them. Just wondering if I should really consider off loading my new 124060 while its value is high if it's going to turn out to be a dud watch.

[Easy E]

Originally Posted by motodude95

Genuinely curious question here for the group. If the 32xx problems are as prevalent as they seem, why are prices not reflecting this? Everyone is still asking premiums over retail for new Rolex's and people seem to be buying them. Just wondering if I should really consider off loading my new 124060 while its value is high if it's going to turn out to be a dud watch.

Because most people don't care about the issue.

[SuperStrats4Life]

Originally Posted by Easy E

Because most people don't care about the issue.

Don’t care or don’t know? I find it hard to believe that the overwhelming majority of people are buying Rolexes simply to flex and don’t care about potentially needing to shell out $1000 for service every 2 years once the warranty runs out for the watch to actually keep accurate time.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by Easy E

Because most people don't care about the issue.

Originally Posted by SuperStrats4Life

Don’t care or don’t know?

Both and more.

It seems that most people (outside watch forums) don't know, don't care, hate the discussion, doubt the measurements, don't understand, don't accept the facts, ..... That is the vast majority of Rolex clients.

In addition, Rolex HQ has never officially acknowledged any 32xx issue, for about 10 years, but RSC watchmakers working on repairs all know for sure.

Here, very few RSC watchmakers participated in the discussion and provided some very valuable insights, e.g., SearChart (aka Bas). Again, many thanks to him!

Take a look at this sticky from 2009: none of these nominated "highly qualified TechXperts" have ever joined this thread (for 4 years). Nor have any new TechXperts been nominated!

On the other hand, the thread is still alive, as evidenced by the large number of guests (74 at the moment) who read it every day.

[Dirt]

Originally Posted by Easy E

Because most people don't care about the issue.

The bizarre part about it all is people will pay handsomely for the priviledge and bend over backward for being able to be granted the possibility to gain admission into the club.
That's basically what it's all about.

A very interesting observation into the human psyche and the human condition to say the least.
As a species, we're doomed, dooomed i tell ya.

The 33xx will put things right with the mothership
Of course, it could all just be a rumour