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Tiggilawson · 4 December 2011, 09:11 PM

Got the new watch fever at the moment. Just spotted a 5 to 6 year old Yatchmaster 16622 in a local jewellers for £5k.

It looks superb on the wrist and I'm a tad smitten. Only downside to this is the lack of paperwork! There's a box (big deal) and nothing else.

Am I taking a big risk? Is it the sort of watch you'd buy? Anything to watch out for?

Regards to all

padi56 · 4 December 2011, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Tiggilawson

Got the new watch fever at the moment. Just spotted a 5 to 6 year old Yatchmaster 16622 in a local jewellers for £5k.

It looks superb on the wrist and I'm a tad smitten. Only downside to this is the lack of paperwork! There's a box (big deal) and nothing else.

Am I taking a big risk? Is it the sort of watch you'd buy? Anything to watch out for?

Regards to all

As long as the watch is genuine and being over two years old now the so called papers are just that a outdated bit of paper.Now the watch you are buying will need a service very soon,then you will get Rolex service papers with a current two year warranty, with all the details of watch on paper.Myself would not pay any extra for any watch with any out dated warranty bit of paper.But I would try and have a haggle at the price you could get a bit of a discount to cover the service cost.

matt4hand · 4 December 2011, 09:50 PM

If you like it go for it. I think you can do better on the price though. I've bought 2 YM this year. One for $5000 usd and one for $5600 with box and papers.

CDNWatchNut · 5 December 2011, 01:11 AM

I totally agree...the watch is what matters. I'd far sooner have a watch in better condition without b&p than a lesser condition watch with the full kit. As long as it's genuine and is to your expectations on condition...go for it

sea-dweller · 5 December 2011, 01:45 AM

Personally, I like the boxes and papers.

Tools · 5 December 2011, 02:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tiggilawson

Got the new watch fever at the moment. Just spotted a 5 to 6 year old Yatchmaster 16622 in a local jewellers for £5k.

It looks superb on the wrist and I'm a tad smitten. Only downside to this is the lack of paperwork! There's a box (big deal) and nothing else.

Am I taking a big risk? Is it the sort of watch you'd buy? Anything to watch out for?

Regards to all

You will seldom find a used watch for sale at a jewelers or Dealer with the old owners papers... "papers" is pretty much an Internet phenomena, although you can sometimes find them still together from original buyers..

There is no more "risk" one way or the other.. papers are more easily faked than the watch and so if you do find one with them, both need to be authenticated... Papers do not "authenticate" any Rolex..

learpilot · 5 December 2011, 02:27 AM

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Originally Posted by sea-dweller

Personally, I like the boxes and papers.

I agree

Mickey® · 5 December 2011, 02:29 AM

I like B&P but with our without that seems too high priced

padi56 · 5 December 2011, 02:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tools

You will seldom find a used watch for sale at a jewelers or Dealer with the old owners papers... "papers" is pretty much an Internet phenomena, although you can sometimes find them still together from original buyers..

There is no more "risk" one way or the other.. papers are more easily faked than the watch and so if you do find one with them, both need to be authenticated... Papers do not "authenticate" any Rolex..

Yes agree the paper thing is very much a Internet phenomera the so called papers are nothing more that a warranty paper or card.,that you get with most products today.And of only real use in the warranty period after that well to me its just a outdated bit of paper or card, myself buy watches not bits of outdated paper or cards.

GradyPhilpott · 5 December 2011, 02:36 AM

Until I started frequenting this board, the idea of boxes and papers was foreign to me.

But then, I'd never owned a "luxury" watch.

The two Rolex watches I have were bought new, so I do have the boxes and papers, mainly because of the influence of many on this and other boards.

Although I do agree that they are not essential, the importance of them among the WIS community makes keeping them a good idea and I like the idea that I have all the documentation of the sales on hand. Both instances were big events for me.

If I were to by a used Rolex, certainly I would not depend on boxes and papers as authentication, but I would look upon them as a kind of "security blanket," if you will.

With the sales and service documentation, there's more than just a watch, there's a story of sorts and provenance.

bayerische · 5 December 2011, 02:48 AM

I used to be fuzzy about papers and boxes, not anymore.

All that really matters is that you get a genuine and good condition watch!

Get it.

Tiggilawson · 7 December 2011, 01:34 AM

Thanks for your comments everyone.

I am now of the opinion that it's the watch rather than the inclusion of 'papers' that's important.

I am, however, going to go for a discount as the 'papers' thing seems to be important to dealers. Play them at their own game, I think

Thanks again

dooder202 · 7 December 2011, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by padi56

As long as the watch is genuine and being over two years old now the so called papers are just that a outdated bit of paper.Now the watch you are buying will need a service very soon,then you will get Rolex service papers with a current two year warranty, with all the details of watch on paper.Myself would not pay any extra for any watch with any out dated warranty bit of paper.But I would try and have a haggle at the price you could get a bit of a discount to cover the service cost.

azguy · 7 December 2011, 01:53 AM

Great watch, but you may be able to do better on that price

I'm not sure if maybe they are harder to get there across the pond

Tiggilawson · 12 December 2011, 12:16 AM

Thanks again for all your help.

Yesterday I bit the bullet and bought it. It's a 2005.

Got it for £4.3k after a bit of persuation so I'm a happy bunny!

nmb · 12 December 2011, 12:36 AM

Can I ask you wether sizers are still going last time I was in scarborough they were shuttered up and they used to advertise in yorkshire life but havent for a while?congrats on your new purchase my wife has the same watch but in ladies size and she hasnt looked at another rolex since,smitten !

Quackers · 12 December 2011, 01:41 AM

Congratulations and well done with the haggling! I like the YM a lot. It's a "quiet" Rolex imo.
I like box and papers, but if you're buying to keep it wouldn't really matter.
padi56 and Tools make good points, as usual.

STEELINOX · 12 December 2011, 01:45 AM

Papers schmapers, are you a collector, is it a collectable?

Then go for it

Tiggilawson · 13 December 2011, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by nmb

Can I ask you wether sizers are still going last time I was in scarborough they were shuttered up and they used to advertise in yorkshire life but havent for a while?congrats on your new purchase my wife has the same watch but in ladies size and she hasnt looked at another rolex since,smitten !

Sizers has reliquished their Rolex dealership after about 20 years! I asked them about this and the assistant said it was due to them not wanting to be a "Rolex Boutique". She added that Rolex were insisting that they took the boutique route and they just said no. So it's Omega, Longines, Breitling, Tag and Certina - big deal!

HORNBLOWER · 13 December 2011, 11:22 PM

papers are good but not essential, the watch is what matters.

azguy · 14 December 2011, 12:00 AM

Good choice

I love to have a YM

buke45 · 14 December 2011, 12:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by padi56

As long as the watch is genuine and being over two years old now the so called papers are just that a outdated bit of paper.Now the watch you are buying will need a service very soon,then you will get Rolex service papers with a current two year warranty, with all the details of watch on paper.Myself would not pay any extra for any watch with any out dated warranty bit of paper.But I would try and have a haggle at the price you could get a bit of a discount to cover the service cost.

I agree!!!

Tony-GB · 14 December 2011, 12:34 AM

That is overpriced. But the dealer has bricks and mortar as well as business rates to pay for. When buying Yacht-Masters it's all about the bezel, so inspect it with for any marks whatsoever.

My advice would be to go for Puffy's. That is almost a thousand pounds cheaper and you could have a mini GTG.

Lion · 14 December 2011, 02:50 AM

You now have yourself one heck of a nice watch...congrats and enjoy!!!

kcmo · 14 December 2011, 03:34 AM

Well done on your deal! Enjoy the YM!

freddyttt · 14 December 2011, 04:33 AM

Pics or it never happened.!;)

gargamel647 · 14 December 2011, 05:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by learpilot

I agree

Me 2

dysondiver · 14 December 2011, 05:04 AM

well done , good health to wear it.

nmb · 16 December 2011, 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tiggilawson

Sizers has reliquished their Rolex dealership after about 20 years! I asked them about this and the assistant said it was due to them not wanting to be a "Rolex Boutique". She added that Rolex were insisting that they took the boutique route and they just said no. So it's Omega, Longines, Breitling, Tag and Certina - big deal!

Thanks for letting me know I thought something had happened with them not advertising anymore.

Tridor · 16 December 2011, 01:52 PM

Boxes and papers are important, but remember ... papers can be forged. You need to determine if the watch is original, but papers may not necessarily do that. So, I would insist that the seller allow you to have the watch authenticated within "x" number of days. If it's real and you elect to buy it, send it to Rolex for a full service and you should be good to go. Also, remember that the lack of papers should give you some haggling room for a price reduction ... I think $5K for a 5-6 year old YM w/o papers is high.

NOTE ... After writing the above, I realized I missed your post about purchasing it. Congratulations!

4 December 2011, 09:11 PM	#1
Tiggilawson Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Real Name: Tim Location: Scarborough UK Watch: Exp II , YMaster Posts: 66	Do I buy a Yachtmaster without papers? Got the new watch fever at the moment. Just spotted a 5 to 6 year old Yatchmaster 16622 in a local jewellers for £5k. It looks superb on the wrist and I'm a tad smitten. Only downside to this is the lack of paperwork! There's a box (big deal) and nothing else. Am I taking a big risk? Is it the sort of watch you'd buy? Anything to watch out for? Regards to all

5 December 2011, 02:36 AM	#10
GradyPhilpott 2024 ROLEX SUBMARINER 41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: New Mexico Watch: Tissot, c. 1960 Posts: 34,434	Until I started frequenting this board, the idea of boxes and papers was foreign to me. But then, I'd never owned a "luxury" watch. The two Rolex watches I have were bought new, so I do have the boxes and papers, mainly because of the influence of many on this and other boards. Although I do agree that they are not essential, the importance of them among the WIS community makes keeping them a good idea and I like the idea that I have all the documentation of the sales on hand. Both instances were big events for me. If I were to by a used Rolex, certainly I would not depend on boxes and papers as authentication, but I would look upon them as a kind of "security blanket," if you will. With the sales and service documentation, there's more than just a watch, there's a story of sorts and provenance. __________________ JJ Inaugural TRF $50 Watch Challenge Winner

5 December 2011, 02:48 AM	#11
bayerische "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Andreas Location: Margaritaville Watch: Smurf Posts: 19,879	I used to be fuzzy about papers and boxes, not anymore. All that really matters is that you get a genuine and good condition watch! Get it. __________________ Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

12 December 2011, 01:45 AM	#18
STEELINOX 2024 ROLEX SUBMARINER 41 Pledge Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Real Name: Sink-O! Location: a praire in AZ Watch: ROLEX-less atm... Posts: 14,017	Papers schmapers, are you a collector, is it a collectable? Then go for it __________________ *Positive Waves Baby* Lug Hole Loyalist / Chamfer Line Inspector INFORTHE WIN SUB-MAH-REEEN-ER ~ !

14 December 2011, 12:34 AM	#23
Tony-GB "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: Tony Location: Oxfordshire, UK Watch: 116680 & 116622 Posts: 3,953	That is overpriced. But the dealer has bricks and mortar as well as business rates to pay for. When buying Yacht-Masters it's all about the bezel, so inspect it with for any marks whatsoever. My advice would be to go for Puffy's. That is almost a thousand pounds cheaper and you could have a mini GTG. __________________ "...why oh why, didn't I take the blue pill...?" http://www.helenanddouglas.org.uk/ www.cheetah.org

4 December 2011, 09:50 PM	#3
matt4hand Banned Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: Matt Location: Atlanta Watch: Tramp Posts: 2,369	If you like it go for it. I think you can do better on the price though. I've bought 2 YM this year. One for $5000 usd and one for $5600 with box and papers.

5 December 2011, 01:11 AM	#4
CDNWatchNut "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Real Name: Juan Location: Sherwood Park, Ab Watch: 114060 Posts: 1,509	I totally agree...the watch is what matters. I'd far sooner have a watch in better condition without b&p than a lesser condition watch with the full kit. As long as it's genuine and is to your expectations on condition...go for it

5 December 2011, 01:45 AM	#5
sea-dweller "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Real Name: Dennis Location: Bay Area - 925 Posts: 40,018	Personally, I like the boxes and papers.

5 December 2011, 02:29 AM	#8
Mickey® Banned Join Date: Aug 2011 Real Name: Mickey® Location: Atlanta, GA Watch: Swiss Made Posts: 5,801	I like B&P but with our without that seems too high priced

7 December 2011, 01:34 AM	#12
Tiggilawson Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Real Name: Tim Location: Scarborough UK Watch: Exp II , YMaster Posts: 66	Thanks for your comments everyone. I am now of the opinion that it's the watch rather than the inclusion of 'papers' that's important. I am, however, going to go for a discount as the 'papers' thing seems to be important to dealers. Play them at their own game, I think Thanks again

7 December 2011, 01:53 AM	#14
azguy Banned Join Date: Sep 2011 Real Name: ------- Location: ------- Watch: --------- Posts: 12,609	Great watch, but you may be able to do better on that price I'm not sure if maybe they are harder to get there across the pond

12 December 2011, 12:16 AM	#15
Tiggilawson Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Real Name: Tim Location: Scarborough UK Watch: Exp II , YMaster Posts: 66	Thanks again for all your help. Yesterday I bit the bullet and bought it. It's a 2005. Got it for £4.3k after a bit of persuation so I'm a happy bunny!

12 December 2011, 12:36 AM	#16
nmb "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Real Name: Nigel Location: uk Watch: 116618 LB Posts: 150	Can I ask you wether sizers are still going last time I was in scarborough they were shuttered up and they used to advertise in yorkshire life but havent for a while?congrats on your new purchase my wife has the same watch but in ladies size and she hasnt looked at another rolex since,smitten !

12 December 2011, 01:41 AM	#17
Quackers "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Real Name: Mike Location: Manchester, UK Watch: BLNR Posts: 228	Congratulations and well done with the haggling! I like the YM a lot. It's a "quiet" Rolex imo. I like box and papers, but if you're buying to keep it wouldn't really matter. padi56 and Tools make good points, as usual.

13 December 2011, 11:22 PM	#20
HORNBLOWER "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Real Name: Ben Location: Ireland Watch: 1 OR 2 Posts: 2,640	papers are good but not essential, the watch is what matters.

14 December 2011, 12:00 AM	#21
azguy Banned Join Date: Sep 2011 Real Name: ------- Location: ------- Watch: --------- Posts: 12,609	Good choice I love to have a YM

14 December 2011, 02:50 AM	#24
Lion "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Leo Location: Midwest Watch: GMT-II 16710 PEPSI Posts: 21,461	You now have yourself one heck of a nice watch...congrats and enjoy!!! __________________ SS GMT-II 16710 PEPSI(Z-serial#) THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MEN AND BOYS IS THE PRICE OF THE TOYS!!! MontBlanc Meisterstuck Doue Silver Barley MontBlanc Meisterstuck Solitaire Doue Signum Proud Card Carrying Member of the Curmudgeons.....Yikes!!!

14 December 2011, 03:34 AM	#25
kcmo "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Real Name: Karis Location: USA Posts: 19,377	Well done on your deal! Enjoy the YM!

14 December 2011, 04:33 AM	#26
freddyttt "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Howell, NJ Posts: 521	Pics or it never happened.!;)

14 December 2011, 05:04 AM	#28
dysondiver "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Real Name: tom Location: northern ireland Watch: my fins Posts: 10,063	well done , good health to wear it.

16 December 2011, 01:52 PM	#30
Tridor "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: The Ozone Watch: DD, DJ, SubC Date Posts: 1,666	Boxes and papers are important, but remember ... papers can be forged. You need to determine if the watch is original, but papers may not necessarily do that. So, I would insist that the seller allow you to have the watch authenticated within "x" number of days. If it's real and you elect to buy it, send it to Rolex for a full service and you should be good to go. Also, remember that the lack of papers should give you some haggling room for a price reduction ... I think $5K for a 5-6 year old YM w/o papers is high. NOTE ... After writing the above, I realized I missed your post about purchasing it. Congratulations!

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