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Doombot! · 30 January 2006, 02:00 PM

Can someone please detail what the Grey Market is? I know what an AD is, but how do they differ?

Also, will/can an AD verify a used rolex is authentic (if so, how much would be a good price to do so, and how long would it take?)

I'm hoping to be in the market for a SS sub and it seems many hundereds of dollars can be saved on the 'bay; but I'm scared.

Finally, why is there a big price break between the date vs. no date sub's?

Thank you!

dman · 30 January 2006, 02:29 PM

DB, grey simply can't offer the factory warr. like an AD can for starters. You can pick up a used 16610 from sales boards other than ebay. Sites like TZ and watchnet have many reputable people selling watches. They MUST be able to provide references and proper papers for the watch. Don't be afraid to ask around about a seller here either.

As for the checking, any watchmaker that knows Rolex could do it in a matter of minutes. The charge will vary on the place.

If you are buying from a non AD, just be careful and do your background work, fair and honest deals can be had, but if it seems to good to be true, it probably is.

Gedanken · 30 January 2006, 03:58 PM

Welcome aboard, Doombot and, err, umm, Daren's just about covered everything else.

President Rolex · 30 January 2006, 07:36 PM

Just buy from a respected grey dealer. I like the idea of buying from an AD, however, my local AD has disrespected me for the last time.

Try Wingate's or Alan Furman. You can call and speak to Mr. Furman and I feel he is a square guy. I always like it when you can speak directly to the owner of any business.

I own my own business and always take my calls, so to me that is a big deal.
I try to talk to the owner of the local AD, and he is never there, or so they say. He is more than likely in the back counting his money.

The President

President Rolex · 30 January 2006, 07:39 PM

As for the warranty, my 16610 LV came with the warranty papers - all blank!
It had the name of the AD, however, Rolex USA would never know this watch had been sold on the grey market.

The President

padi56 · 30 January 2006, 08:02 PM

Welcome to TRF Doombot all have been said just be careful and all will be fine

Doombot! · 1 February 2006, 04:47 PM

Thanks all for the kind words... now the big question: New or used.

I have a bad habit of beating the hell out of my stuff, and a nice used SS Sub sounds about right, plus I'm young-ish (29) and I'd like to leave some "upgradeabilty", but then again there is no doubt with a new one.

Also, what year did the most recent dial go into production and what is the source of the glow-in-the-dark bits?

Thoughts?

JJ Irani · 1 February 2006, 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doombot!

Thanks all for the kind words... now the big question: New or used.

I have a bad habit of beating the hell out of my stuff, and a nice used SS Sub sounds about right, plus I'm young-ish (29) and I'd like to leave some "upgradeabilty", but then again there is no doubt with a new one.

Also, what year did the most recent dial go into production and what is the source of the glow-in-the-dark bits?

Thoughts?

Welcome Doombot, glad to have you aboard.

If you're asking about when the older Tritium dials went out, it was end of 1999. Then in 2000, Rolex began to apply Luminova to the markers and hands.

JJ

Doombot! · 1 February 2006, 04:59 PM

Thanks!

Would you mind outlining the differences (if any)? I'm assuming both dials function with no sun charge? How bright is it in say, a movie theater?

Man, I really am staring out with little knowledge and good taste.

JJ Irani · 1 February 2006, 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doombot!

Thanks!

Would you mind outlining the differences (if any)? I'm assuming both dials function with no sun charge? How bright is it in say, a movie theater?

Man, I really am staring out with little knowledge and good taste.

Tritium has a half life of 12 years. Older Tritium dials would be pretty useless now as far as luminosity is concerned.

As for Luminova, these pictures speak for themselves!!

Doombot! · 1 February 2006, 05:16 PM

OMG, I think I need a wet wipe.

Is it always that bright or does it need a sun charge?

Is there a known half-life for this model?

JJ Irani · 1 February 2006, 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doombot!

OMG, I think I need a wet wipe.

Is it always that bright or does it need a sun charge?

Is there a known half-life for this model?

LOL! No, it's not always this bright. I had exposed them to a very powerful light source before clicking them. But my YM does glow all night and even throughout the duration of a movie, making visibility pretty clear right through.

Luminova is not known to have a half life. But I think over a very long period of time, the glow will eventually diminish.

JJ

1 February 2006, 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doombot!

OMG, I think I need a wet wipe.

Is it always that bright or does it need a sun charge?

Is there a known half-life for this model?

Luminova must be charged by a light source - thought I would clarify since you asked JJ this about 5 times and he didn't ever answer the question......

Welcome to the board!

JJ Irani · 2 February 2006, 04:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Avalon

Luminova must be charged by a light source - thought I would clarify since you asked JJ this about 5 times and he didn't ever answer the question......

Welcome to the board!

I did mention that in my post above...the bit about exposing the watch to a light source.

30 January 2006, 02:00 PM	#1
Doombot! Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Lakeland, Fl. Posts: 15	Semi-noob questions - Grey market? Used etc. Can someone please detail what the Grey Market is? I know what an AD is, but how do they differ? Also, will/can an AD verify a used rolex is authentic (if so, how much would be a good price to do so, and how long would it take?) I'm hoping to be in the market for a SS sub and it seems many hundereds of dollars can be saved on the 'bay; but I'm scared. Finally, why is there a big price break between the date vs. no date sub's? Thank you!

30 January 2006, 02:29 PM	#2
dman Lifetime TRF Patron Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: Daren Location: Austin Watch: the road Posts: 13,585	DB, grey simply can't offer the factory warr. like an AD can for starters. You can pick up a used 16610 from sales boards other than ebay. Sites like TZ and watchnet have many reputable people selling watches. They MUST be able to provide references and proper papers for the watch. Don't be afraid to ask around about a seller here either. As for the checking, any watchmaker that knows Rolex could do it in a matter of minutes. The charge will vary on the place. If you are buying from a non AD, just be careful and do your background work, fair and honest deals can be had, but if it seems to good to be true, it probably is. __________________ You either get it or you don't, if you have to ask, YOU DON'T!! I really hope that midget cop doesn't find me in Kokomo.

30 January 2006, 03:58 PM	#3
Gedanken "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: Sir Location: Melbourne Watch: F-series SD Posts: 8,589	Welcome aboard, Doombot and, err, umm, Daren's just about covered everything else. __________________ You buy a Casio to make sure you're on time; you wear a Rolex because you don't have to be on time.

30 January 2006, 07:36 PM	#4
President Rolex Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Palm Springs, CA, Posts: 119	Just buy from a respected grey dealer. I like the idea of buying from an AD, however, my local AD has disrespected me for the last time. Try Wingate's or Alan Furman. You can call and speak to Mr. Furman and I feel he is a square guy. I always like it when you can speak directly to the owner of any business. I own my own business and always take my calls, so to me that is a big deal. I try to talk to the owner of the local AD, and he is never there, or so they say. He is more than likely in the back counting his money. The President Last edited by President Rolex; 30 January 2006 at 07:36 PM..

30 January 2006, 07:39 PM	#5
President Rolex Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Palm Springs, CA, Posts: 119	As for the warranty, my 16610 LV came with the warranty papers - all blank! It had the name of the AD, however, Rolex USA would never know this watch had been sold on the grey market. The President Last edited by President Rolex; 30 January 2006 at 07:39 PM..

30 January 2006, 08:02 PM	#6
padi56 "TRF" Life Patron Join Date: Jun 2005 Real Name: Peter Location: Llanfairpwllgwyng Watch: ing you. Posts: 52,837	Welcome to TRF Doombot all have been said just be careful and all will be fine __________________ ICom Pro3 All posts are my own opinion and my opinion only. "The clock of life is wound but once, and no man has the power to tell just when the hands will stop. Now is the only time you actually own the time, Place no faith in time, for the clock may soon be still for ever." Good Judgement comes from experience,experience comes from Bad Judgement,.Buy quality, cry once; buy cheap, cry again and again. www.mc0yad.club Second in command CEO and left handed watch winder

1 February 2006, 04:47 PM	#7
Doombot! Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Lakeland, Fl. Posts: 15	Thanks all for the kind words... now the big question: New or used. I have a bad habit of beating the hell out of my stuff, and a nice used SS Sub sounds about right, plus I'm young-ish (29) and I'd like to leave some "upgradeabilty", but then again there is no doubt with a new one. Also, what year did the most recent dial go into production and what is the source of the glow-in-the-dark bits? Thoughts?

1 February 2006, 04:59 PM	#9
Doombot! Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Lakeland, Fl. Posts: 15	Thanks! Would you mind outlining the differences (if any)? I'm assuming both dials function with no sun charge? How bright is it in say, a movie theater? Man, I really am staring out with little knowledge and good taste.

1 February 2006, 05:16 PM	#11
Doombot! Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Lakeland, Fl. Posts: 15	OMG, I think I need a wet wipe. Is it always that bright or does it need a sun charge? Is there a known half-life for this model?

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