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commando6429 · 7 December 2014, 07:40 AM

I am in need of some expertise from the board on this Tudor Snowflake. I purchased from a local ad that guarantees authenticity however this serial number is seven digits and now I am concerned. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

V.lats97nsx · 7 December 2014, 08:22 AM

How many digits did you want?

commando6429 · 7 December 2014, 08:32 AM

In my research of these threads I am seeing that the Tudors only have six, then later five digits serial numbers, is that correct?

linesiders · 7 December 2014, 08:51 AM

Commando - I hate to be the bearer of bad news but that Snowflake is counterfeit. And yes I am sure.

The engravings are wrong in addition to a serial number that does not work.
Dial fonts are wrong.
Insert and bezel aftermarket, crownguards are cut wrong, hands are wrong - wrong diamond shape on hour, minute is too fat, willing to bet no crimping on back of crown.
Serials on Snowflakes run 800,xxx or so up to 20,000 or so after the serial numbers restart. The Es in STAINLESS STEEL also have the long middle stroke - always fake.

Good news is that if you got it from an AD, they will refund your money. Someone not intimately familiar with these will compare them to the book and get fooled so it is likely your AD was snowjobbed and not necessarily trying to snowjob you. Have your AD check out this thread.

commando6429 · 7 December 2014, 09:03 AM

Wow thank you for your expertise linesiders. I am shocked as this is a highly reputable dealer that I trusted completely. I have PM'ed you for clarification.

omitohud · 7 December 2014, 09:29 AM

Sucks. Next time ask first then buy. As mentioned so many wrongs.

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RC2 · 7 December 2014, 12:15 PM

Ya looks all wrong

V.lats97nsx · 7 December 2014, 12:41 PM

Date wheel is horrible. Honestly these kind of threads only help 2 kinds of people. the scumbag counterfeiter may
figure out how to make a better fake. Or a normal joe that purchased before research.

commando6429 · 7 December 2014, 01:08 PM

Thank you all so much, especially linesiders. This one is going back. Happy holidays to all.

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linesiders · 7 December 2014, 03:01 PM

Great site and people here.

Glad to help - hope you get your money back

Ross Povey · 7 December 2014, 06:52 PM

it's really bad I'm afraid.

I'm sure the AD will be happy to refund.

PM or mail me through TC if you need any help.

Cheers

Ross

watchcrank · 7 December 2014, 10:56 PM

:-(. Poor fake, return asap.

John in MA · 9 December 2014, 09:24 AM

V

That's an older fake from around 2005-09. The fakes are much better now. There are still tells and I think those of us who know what they are have a mutual understanding not to openly call them out but to assist those who need assistance by telling if real or not. For most that's enough.

V.lats97nsx · 9 December 2014, 11:05 AM

Hmmm someone got a real heap for big money
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rolex-Tudor-...p2047675.l2557

TudorSnowflake · 9 December 2014, 11:15 AM

Wow you guys are good. I only noticed the minute hand snowflake was oddly shaped.

commando6429 · 14 December 2014, 10:16 AM

I've learned that just because it's probably the most well known AD in the country, it doesn't guarantee authenticity. Got the refund and went ahead and purchased a nice Sub from the legendary Jacek. I can't thank you guys enough.

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linesiders · 14 December 2014, 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by commando6429

I've learned that just because it's probably the most well known AD in the country, it doesn't guarantee authenticity. Got the refund and went ahead and purchased a nice Sub from the legendary Jacek. I can't thank you guys enough.

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Awesome! No hassle from THAT specific dealer?

Jason71 · 14 December 2014, 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by commando6429

I've learned that just because it's probably the most well known AD in the country, it doesn't guarantee authenticity. Got the refund and went ahead and purchased a nice Sub from the legendary Jacek. I can't thank you guys enough.

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Wow!!! Congrats, that looks awesome from a fantastic seller.

John in MA · 15 December 2014, 03:30 AM

Fantastic.

commando6429 · 18 December 2014, 05:47 AM

Thanks everyone. Yes linesiders. That specific dealer - hqmilton. I had only read about him but now that I've transacted, I can vouch for his legendary status.

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linesiders · 18 December 2014, 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by commando6429

Thanks everyone. Yes linesiders. That specific dealer - hqmilton. I had only read about him but now that I've transacted, I can vouch for his legendary status.

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Oh, I did not think you would get a hassle from Jacek - they have a great rep.

I was worried you might get a hassle from the other dealer that sold the SnowFake when you tried to return that bad Tudor.

commando6429 · 18 December 2014, 04:35 PM

Ahhh. The AD where I purchased the Snowflake tried to tell me they do a 30-point inspection but after I emphasized I am a lawyer, they gave me a full refund.

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Johny · 18 December 2014, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by commando6429

Ahhh. The AD where I purchased the Snowflake tried to tell me they do a 30-point inspection but after I emphasized I am a lawyer, they gave me a full refund.

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well done on the refund. what is the name of the ad? I wonder if they will try to sell it again?

7 December 2014, 08:51 AM	#4
linesiders 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: RedSox Nation Watch: U Talkn Bout Wilis Posts: 5,448	Commando - I hate to be the bearer of bad news but that Snowflake is counterfeit. And yes I am sure. The engravings are wrong in addition to a serial number that does not work. Dial fonts are wrong. Insert and bezel aftermarket, crownguards are cut wrong, hands are wrong - wrong diamond shape on hour, minute is too fat, willing to bet no crimping on back of crown. Serials on Snowflakes run 800,xxx or so up to 20,000 or so after the serial numbers restart. The Es in STAINLESS STEEL also have the long middle stroke - always fake. Good news is that if you got it from an AD, they will refund your money. Someone not intimately familiar with these will compare them to the book and get fooled so it is likely your AD was snowjobbed and not necessarily trying to snowjob you. Have your AD check out this thread. __________________ I'm a sailor peg. And I've lost my leg. Climbing up the top sails. I've lost my leg!

7 December 2014, 12:15 PM	#7
RC2 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Real Name: Rich Location: NC Watch: Rolex 1675 Posts: 2,359	Ya looks all wrong __________________ Rich Member of Nylon Nation Red Sox Nation Instagram watchguy97

7 December 2014, 03:01 PM	#10
linesiders 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: RedSox Nation Watch: U Talkn Bout Wilis Posts: 5,448	Great site and people here. Glad to help - hope you get your money back __________________ I'm a sailor peg. And I've lost my leg. Climbing up the top sails. I've lost my leg!

7 December 2014, 06:52 PM	#11
Ross Povey "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: UK Posts: 125	As John says... it's really bad I'm afraid. I'm sure the AD will be happy to refund. PM or mail me through TC if you need any help. Cheers Ross __________________ www.tudorcollector.net

9 December 2014, 09:24 AM	#13
John in MA "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Boston Posts: 862	Help with Tudor Snowflake V That's an older fake from around 2005-09. The fakes are much better now. There are still tells and I think those of us who know what they are have a mutual understanding not to openly call them out but to assist those who need assistance by telling if real or not. For most that's enough. __________________ Formerly John in SC and John in TN How To: Remove a Tudor Pelagos Endlink in 60 Seconds or Less

7 December 2014, 08:22 AM	#2
V.lats97nsx 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Syracuse Posts: 3,955	How many digits did you want?

7 December 2014, 08:32 AM	#3
commando6429 Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: CA Posts: 17	In my research of these threads I am seeing that the Tudors only have six, then later five digits serial numbers, is that correct?

7 December 2014, 09:03 AM	#5
commando6429 Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: CA Posts: 17	Wow thank you for your expertise linesiders. I am shocked as this is a highly reputable dealer that I trusted completely. I have PM'ed you for clarification.

7 December 2014, 09:29 AM	#6
omitohud "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Real Name: Sam Location: los Angeles Posts: 2,051	Sucks. Next time ask first then buy. As mentioned so many wrongs. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

7 December 2014, 12:41 PM	#8
V.lats97nsx 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Syracuse Posts: 3,955	Date wheel is horrible. Honestly these kind of threads only help 2 kinds of people. the scumbag counterfeiter may figure out how to make a better fake. Or a normal joe that purchased before research.

7 December 2014, 01:08 PM	#9
commando6429 Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: CA Posts: 17	Thank you all so much, especially linesiders. This one is going back. Happy holidays to all. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

7 December 2014, 10:56 PM	#12
watchcrank "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: michael Location: Florida Watch: explorer II cream Posts: 1,661	:-(. Poor fake, return asap.

9 December 2014, 11:05 AM	#14
V.lats97nsx 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Syracuse Posts: 3,955	Hmmm someone got a real heap for big money http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rolex-Tudor-...p2047675.l2557

9 December 2014, 11:15 AM	#15
TudorSnowflake "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Erf Watch: Heritage Ranger Posts: 225	Wow you guys are good. I only noticed the minute hand snowflake was oddly shaped.

14 December 2014, 10:16 AM	#16
commando6429 Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: CA Posts: 17	I've learned that just because it's probably the most well known AD in the country, it doesn't guarantee authenticity. Got the refund and went ahead and purchased a nice Sub from the legendary Jacek. I can't thank you guys enough. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

15 December 2014, 03:30 AM	#19
John in MA "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Boston Posts: 862	Fantastic. __________________ Formerly John in SC and John in TN How To: Remove a Tudor Pelagos Endlink in 60 Seconds or Less

18 December 2014, 05:47 AM	#20
commando6429 Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: CA Posts: 17	Thanks everyone. Yes linesiders. That specific dealer - hqmilton. I had only read about him but now that I've transacted, I can vouch for his legendary status. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

18 December 2014, 04:35 PM	#22
commando6429 Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: CA Posts: 17	Ahhh. The AD where I purchased the Snowflake tried to tell me they do a 30-point inspection but after I emphasized I am a lawyer, they gave me a full refund. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

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