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fizz · 30 November 2015, 06:51 AM

So I came across someone who is selling a 1665 from 78. Pretty close to what I've been looking for (5513, from 79) and doesn't have the 2 things I dislike about the 1680 - the cyclops and the top hat. This is superdome baby.

So I'm meeting the seller either tomorrow or day after. He seems like a genuine collector and has sent me the following pictures (below).

Some specifics about the watch:

- Serial no is 584X
- Comes without bracelet/end links
- Was inspected for authenticity in 2014 by Swedish Rolex AD, which will be provided.
- Bezel has a deep scratch at 20, but is otherwise good and original (can't tell)
- Last service was done 2 years ago. Hasn't been tested for water pressure etc. Keeps time well though not measured seconds gained/lost per day.
- No box, papers, warranty etc.

I'll let the pics tell more.

What I like is that while it has features of the 5513, and because it's locally available, I can inspect and buy so less of a risk.

I asked if dial, bezel and hands were all original and unchanged and he didn't know but says they "seem to be". Honestly, I can't tell so will let the experts weigh in.

Also, what would one typically pay for one of these? What would be a fair price for this condition? He is open to offers and the initial asking price is within my modest budget of approx 9k USD.

05carbondrz · 30 November 2015, 07:04 AM

Looks to be a service Dial with the "Swiss" only marking at 6 O'Clock.

fizz · 30 November 2015, 12:39 PM

Ah, did not notice that. So the dial should instead have been "Swiss T < 25", just like the 5513 from this era?

Michael M. · 30 November 2015, 01:42 PM

Mid case is not genuine. Walk away quickly.

linesiders · 30 November 2015, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael M.

Mid case is not genuine. Walk away quickly.

Correct. Fonts look horrible. CGs are wrong.

Insert is no good. Bezel looks no good.

Run

Wesley Crusher · 30 November 2015, 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by linesiders

CGs are wrong.

The funky CGs were the first thing that I noticed. No bueno!

Robbyvm · 30 November 2015, 05:43 PM

Faizan,

don't rush into buying something else because it takes a little longer than expected...
this is what vintage collecting is all about, you set your mind on a reference and the hunt starts.
there are nice 5513's out there, you only need patience, cash and connections

omitohud · 30 November 2015, 07:06 PM

This ☝️.

Good thing you check here first.

I blame it on the autoconnect.

Jetkopite · 1 December 2015, 03:05 AM

Service dial is enough for me to walk... Great advise from the gang...:-)

Beaumont Miller II · 1 December 2015, 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael M.

Mid case is not genuine. Walk away quickly.

X2 I thought those crown guards were from the Deep Sea.

RC2 · 1 December 2015, 11:17 AM

Gross watch

Frogman4me · 1 December 2015, 11:33 AM

This is no good on so many levels. Buy from a reputable dealer.

fizz · 1 December 2015, 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbyvm

Faizan,

don't rush into buying something else because it takes a little longer than expected...
this is what vintage collecting is all about, you set your mind on a reference and the hunt starts.
there are nice 5513's out there, you only need patience, cash and connections

Thanks, got it!

ADINVA · 1 December 2015, 12:33 PM

May I ask what is a mid-case? Thanks.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael M.

Mid case is not genuine. Walk away quickly.

fizz · 1 December 2015, 01:41 PM

Good question....I'd like to know the answer myself. I reckon, its the placeholder of the movement within the actual case and behind the case back, but could be way off the mark...

Michael M. · 1 December 2015, 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ADINVA

May I ask what is a mid-case? Thanks.

Borrowed picture.

Vincent65 · 1 December 2015, 05:02 PM

Junk

fizz · 1 December 2015, 05:07 PM

Haha...I'm glad I got to provide some free entertainment to you helpful folks :)

ADINVA · 2 December 2015, 12:43 AM

Michael,

Mid-case means it is the case body only (without the retaining ring, insert etc). So the case body itself is not an original 1665 case?

Thanks.

Vincent65 · 2 December 2015, 01:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ADINVA

Michael,

Mid-case means it is the case body only (without the retaining ring, insert etc). So the case body itself is not an original 1665 case?

Thanks.

"Not genuine"

asleep · 2 December 2015, 07:58 AM

TRF collective and generous knowledge-base is priceless.

I'm not even having any mistake-money saved and have decided to become a 2015 Pledge Member right now.

MahdiyaDad · 3 December 2015, 09:46 PM

Wow, learnt a lot from this post. Great stuff TRF!

MahdiyaDad · 3 December 2015, 09:48 PM

Sorry, I meant thread! Trying to get my head around some of the nuances we need to keep an eye out for has got my vocab in a twist!

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30 November 2015, 07:04 AM	#2
05carbondrz Banned Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: USA Posts: 2,030	Looks to be a service Dial with the "Swiss" only marking at 6 O'Clock.

30 November 2015, 12:39 PM	#3
fizz "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: UAE Posts: 379	Ah, did not notice that. So the dial should instead have been "Swiss T < 25", just like the 5513 from this era?

30 November 2015, 01:42 PM	#4
Michael M. Banned Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Newport Beach, CA Posts: 8,391	Mid case is not genuine. Walk away quickly.

30 November 2015, 07:06 PM	#8
omitohud "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Real Name: Sam Location: los Angeles Posts: 2,051	This ☝️. Good thing you check here first. I blame it on the autoconnect.

1 December 2015, 03:05 AM	#9
Jetkopite "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Real Name: Andy Location: Dubai Watch: 5131R,6263,5712T Posts: 1,559	Service dial is enough for me to walk... Great advise from the gang...:-)

1 December 2015, 11:33 AM	#12
Frogman4me Banned Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Maryland Posts: 6,268	This is no good on so many levels. Buy from a reputable dealer.

1 December 2015, 01:41 PM	#15
fizz "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: UAE Posts: 379	Good question....I'd like to know the answer myself. I reckon, its the placeholder of the movement within the actual case and behind the case back, but could be way off the mark...

1 December 2015, 05:07 PM	#18
fizz "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: UAE Posts: 379	Haha...I'm glad I got to provide some free entertainment to you helpful folks :)

2 December 2015, 12:43 AM	#19
ADINVA "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Hong Kong Watch: Daytona Posts: 731	Michael, Mid-case means it is the case body only (without the retaining ring, insert etc). So the case body itself is not an original 1665 case? Thanks.

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asleep "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Texas Posts: 778	TRF collective and generous knowledge-base is priceless. I'm not even having any mistake-money saved and have decided to become a 2015 Pledge Member right now.

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MahdiyaDad "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Here and there Watch: Sea-Dweller Posts: 196	Wow, learnt a lot from this post. Great stuff TRF!

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MahdiyaDad "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Here and there Watch: Sea-Dweller Posts: 196	Sorry, I meant thread! Trying to get my head around some of the nuances we need to keep an eye out for has got my vocab in a twist!

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