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MMK · 13 July 2008, 05:02 AM

I have always and still appreciate the beauty of Vintage Rolex watches such as the GMT 1675 and Submariner 1680. I am however concerned about the availability of parts for these watches going forward. I have seen many beautiful pieces exhibited by members on TRF and must admit am jealous with envy, especially Mike's collection.

Ironically, I am a firm believer that every Rolex enthusiast should have at least one vintage watch in his collection. Needless to say I purchased a 1675 Pepsi and sold it three months later when enquiring from Rolex locally about the availability of parts going forward. I was advised by a local Rolex representative who needless to say was very evasive to give me a direct answer that part's are becoming a problem for certain vintage pieces and that caution must be exercised. Your opinion would be appreciated as I have the opportunity to purchase a 1680 with no bracelet which will require a lot of TLC no doubt.

Spark · 13 July 2008, 05:35 AM

There will obviously be a point at which there will be parts that will be hard to find, but I think it will be a long time coming especially with the GMT and Subs.
The movements were used for a very long time and there should be plenty of parts available for the 1500 series movements for a long while to come.

That said when parts become scarce we will all be in the same boat, so it really won't be a problem having maybe a custom made part, plus parts will wear out much more slowly as most vintage collectors watches are used less and well looked after just my opinion

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Dalton · 13 July 2008, 05:40 AM

go for it. Parts will be available, it's the price that goes up making parts very elusive at times.

mike · 13 July 2008, 05:50 AM

I couldn't agree more. The vintage experience is unlike anything else. Vintage allows the enthusiast to experience a bygone era in the history of the tool watch.
As has been discussed in other threads, Rolex seems to curtailing more and more support for these fine references that brought them such a great measure of success.
Rolex is still servicing 15xx movements, though a particular reference may cause problems depending on where in the world you are. The states seems to be the worst.
I think it's important to understand that there are a lot of parts "out there" for these watches, and whether Rolex continues to service or not select watchmakers will be able to maintain your vintage piece.

I think a big issue with an RSC service is one of paperwork and provenance. To a collector these are important issues that add value to the watch and forgo a lot of issues.

Having said that, there are master watchmakers that by virtue of their skill, access to parts, and reputation have gained the confidence of the vintage community. I think a watch serviced by these craftsmen fills the "void" that a lack of factory support might bring.

I think it behooves the vintage enthusiast to network with other collectors in his/her part of the world to identify those watchmakers that have the confidence of the community.

At some point we may well see the use of parts made by these masters. I don't think that time is as yet at hand, nor will it be for quite a while.

I have always felt the most important thing for the buyer/collector to consider is to buy the BEST example you possibly can. Even if it's going to cost a bit more than you had originally hoped. The savings in worry and headaches is but aspect of buying BEST. The most important is in future valuation.

Good luck and BTW the 1680 is a perfect vintage piece to have--my favorite diver.

MMK · 13 July 2008, 06:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mike

I couldn't agree more. The vintage experience is unlike anything else. Vintage allows the enthusiast to experience a bygone era in the history of the tool watch.
As has been discussed in other threads, Rolex seems to curtailing more and more support for these fine references that brought them such a great measure of success.
Rolex is still servicing 15xx movements, though a particular reference may cause problems depending on where in the world you are. The states seems to be the worst.
I think it's important to understand that there are a lot of parts "out there" for these watches, and whether Rolex continues to service or not select watchmakers will be able to maintain your vintage piece.

I think a big issue with an RSC service is one of paperwork and provenance. To a collector these are important issues that add value to the watch and forgo a lot of issues.

Having said that, there are master watchmakers that by virtue of their skill, access to parts, and reputation have gained the confidence of the vintage community. I think a watch serviced by these craftsmen fills the "void" that a lack of factory support might bring.

I think it behooves the vintage enthusiast to network with other collectors in his/her part of the world to identify those watchmakers that have the confidence of the community.

At some point we may well see the use of parts made by these masters. I don't think that time is as yet at hand, nor will it be for quite a while.

I have always felt the most important thing for the buyer/collector to consider is to buy the BEST example you possibly can. Even if it's going to cost a bit more than you had originally hoped. The savings in worry and headaches is but aspect of buying BEST. The most important is in future valuation.

Good luck and BTW the 1680 is a perfect vintage piece to have--my favorite diver.

Dear Mike, as always you are a fountain of information. I will have to do some homework locally. Good watchmakers locally are far and few. However, I agree that the most important aspect would be to buy the "best" example one can find for peace of mind. I sincerely appreciate your thoughts and guidance. Will advise on the 1680.

AJF · 13 July 2008, 06:50 AM

Rolex UK in London informed me that they will service and repair watches going back to the 1950's. Although they charge a premium on top of the normal service charge for watches with movements that are nolonger manufactured.

You could always send it to them

AJF.

MMK · 13 July 2008, 10:49 PM

Thank you Aly. Will keep in mind for future.

AJF · 13 July 2008, 11:16 PM

Check under the thread "When Will We Have To Go After Market".

JimBits76 kindly posted details of two Watchmakers that Rolex have recommended who service and repair vintage watches. Apparently he was told by Rolex UK that they would not service his 1957 watch.

One of the watch repair companies will accept watches from overseas including South Africa.

AJF.

MMK · 13 July 2008, 11:27 PM

Aly, once again thank you for the time and trouble. Sincerely appreciate the guidance.

Dan Pierce · 13 July 2008, 11:52 PM

Great info, as always, Mike.

If you have vintage in your future building a relationship with a local watchmaker [perferably w/ a Rolex parts account] and other vintage enthusiasts will make a huge difference in your enjoyment of your hobby.
I'm lucky enough to have such a watchmaker and TRF. I've have learned much about what to go for and what to steer clear of.

dP

Tools · 14 July 2008, 01:19 AM

I can't add much to this except to say...go for that 1680...It's a greeat piece of history..

MMK · 14 July 2008, 05:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tools

I can't add much to this except to say...go for that 1680...It's a greeat piece of history..

Larry, if the price is right (still negotiating) and I make the plunge the TRF forum will be the first to know. Thank you.

PS. Guess I kick myself for selling the 1675 pepsi

Mr Sandman · 14 July 2008, 07:17 AM

Go for it....I love my vintage 1953 oyster manual wind....I dont get it serviced at an RSC but send it to my local watch maker when I need too(which isnt very often).When I asked my AD about sending it to Rolex for a service he said that its too old but if it was a SUB,GMT or Early Daytona it wouldnt be an issue.

Get the sub,sent it off and post some pics when its back

vjb.knife · 14 July 2008, 08:08 AM

The 1680 is a very cool watch but in recent conversation with RSC New York City they informed me that if it has the red dial they will not take it in for service at all. Other RSC's may differ and I am not sure that it is a matter of parts availability but more of liability for the more valuable pieces.

marshallr47 · 14 July 2008, 08:27 AM

Great info guys. Thanks.

mking0714 · 19 August 2008, 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vjb.knife

The 1680 is a very cool watch but in recent conversation with RSC New York City they informed me that if it has the red dial they will not take it in for service at all. Other RSC's may differ and I am not sure that it is a matter of parts availability but more of liability for the more valuable pieces.

I just tried to take my 1680 to RSC Beverly Hills and they also declined in servicing it. Any suggestions?.

nch209 · 19 August 2008, 06:21 PM

I have a GMT 16750, and while its not the oldest watch, its easly my favorite! I bought it on a whim, but what a find! I've had lots come and go, but this GMT is a keeper. My vote- buy your 1675 and enjoy- lots of parts out there for it!!!

jdc · 19 August 2008, 09:34 PM

Good advice and info as usual Mike

Tools · 20 August 2008, 01:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mking0714

I just tried to take my 1680 to RSC Beverly Hills and they also declined in servicing it. Any suggestions?.

There is an independent RSC in San Fran...

Give them a call..

padi56 · 20 August 2008, 02:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mike

I couldn't agree more. The vintage experience is unlike anything else. Vintage allows the enthusiast to experience a bygone era in the history of the tool watch.
As has been discussed in other threads, Rolex seems to curtailing more and more support for these fine references that brought them such a great measure of success.
Rolex is still servicing 15xx movements, though a particular reference may cause problems depending on where in the world you are. The states seems to be the worst.
I think it's important to understand that there are a lot of parts "out there" for these watches, and whether Rolex continues to service or not select watchmakers will be able to maintain your vintage piece.

I think a big issue with an RSC service is one of paperwork and provenance. To a collector these are important issues that add value to the watch and forgo a lot of issues.

Having said that, there are master watchmakers that by virtue of their skill, access to parts, and reputation have gained the confidence of the vintage community. I think a watch serviced by these craftsmen fills the "void" that a lack of factory support might bring.

I think it behooves the vintage enthusiast to network with other collectors in his/her part of the world to identify those watchmakers that have the confidence of the community.

At some point we may well see the use of parts made by these masters. I don't think that time is as yet at hand, nor will it be for quite a while.

I have always felt the most important thing for the buyer/collector to consider is to buy the BEST example you possibly can. Even if it's going to cost a bit more than you had originally hoped. The savings in worry and headaches is but aspect of buying BEST. The most important is in future valuation.

Good luck and BTW the 1680 is a perfect vintage piece to have--my favorite diver.

Great post Mike and 100% agree find a good watchmaker and treat him like your best friend.The 15XX movement are very very long lasting and will still be ticking for many many years yet.

neilgader · 20 August 2008, 02:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vjb.knife

The 1680 is a very cool watch but in recent conversation with RSC New York City they informed me that if it has the red dial they will not take it in for service at all. Other RSC's may differ and I am not sure that it is a matter of parts availability but more of liability for the more valuable pieces.

Vince,

I had the same experience with NYC but BH did agree to service my RED just this past February.

Best, Neil

13 July 2008, 05:02 AM	#1
MMK Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: South Africa Watch: Daytona SS Posts: 69	Vintage Rolex - Risk or no Risk I have always and still appreciate the beauty of Vintage Rolex watches such as the GMT 1675 and Submariner 1680. I am however concerned about the availability of parts for these watches going forward. I have seen many beautiful pieces exhibited by members on TRF and must admit am jealous with envy, especially Mike's collection. Ironically, I am a firm believer that every Rolex enthusiast should have at least one vintage watch in his collection. Needless to say I purchased a 1675 Pepsi and sold it three months later when enquiring from Rolex locally about the availability of parts going forward. I was advised by a local Rolex representative who needless to say was very evasive to give me a direct answer that part's are becoming a problem for certain vintage pieces and that caution must be exercised. Your opinion would be appreciated as I have the opportunity to purchase a 1680 with no bracelet which will require a lot of TLC no doubt.

13 July 2008, 11:52 PM	#10
Dan Pierce 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Real Name: D'OH! Location: Kentucky Watch: Rolex-1 Tudor-3 Posts: 36,103	Great info, as always, Mike. If you have vintage in your future building a relationship with a local watchmaker [perferably w/ a Rolex parts account] and other vintage enthusiasts will make a huge difference in your enjoyment of your hobby. I'm lucky enough to have such a watchmaker and TRF. I've have learned much about what to go for and what to steer clear of. dP __________________ TRF Member# 1668 Bass Player in TRF "AFTER DARK" Bar & NightClub Band Commander-in-Chief of The Nylon Nation The Crown & Shield Club Honorary Member of P-Club

14 July 2008, 01:19 AM	#11
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 SUBMARINER Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,465	I can't add much to this except to say...go for that 1680...It's a greeat piece of history.. __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

14 July 2008, 08:08 AM	#14
vjb.knife Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: Vince Location: Pittsburgh, PA Watch: Rolex Sub & GMTIIC Posts: 626	The 1680 is a very cool watch but The 1680 is a very cool watch but in recent conversation with RSC New York City they informed me that if it has the red dial they will not take it in for service at all. Other RSC's may differ and I am not sure that it is a matter of parts availability but more of liability for the more valuable pieces.

14 July 2008, 08:27 AM	#15
marshallr47 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Real Name: Ron Location: Alabama Watch: Daytona,TT Sub,GMT Posts: 4,673	Great info guys. Thanks. __________________ Ron

13 July 2008, 05:35 AM	#2
Spark "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Real Name: Mark Location: U.K. Watch: Too Many Posts: 2,097	There will obviously be a point at which there will be parts that will be hard to find, but I think it will be a long time coming especially with the GMT and Subs. The movements were used for a very long time and there should be plenty of parts available for the 1500 series movements for a long while to come. That said when parts become scarce we will all be in the same boat, so it really won't be a problem having maybe a custom made part, plus parts will wear out much more slowly as most vintage collectors watches are used less and well looked after just my opinion .

13 July 2008, 05:40 AM	#3
Dalton TechXpert Join Date: Mar 2008 Real Name: Dal Location: Seattle Watch: 168000 Posts: 1,614	go for it. Parts will be available, it's the price that goes up making parts very elusive at times.

13 July 2008, 05:50 AM	#4
mike "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 22,683	I couldn't agree more. The vintage experience is unlike anything else. Vintage allows the enthusiast to experience a bygone era in the history of the tool watch. As has been discussed in other threads, Rolex seems to curtailing more and more support for these fine references that brought them such a great measure of success. Rolex is still servicing 15xx movements, though a particular reference may cause problems depending on where in the world you are. The states seems to be the worst. I think it's important to understand that there are a lot of parts "out there" for these watches, and whether Rolex continues to service or not select watchmakers will be able to maintain your vintage piece. I think a big issue with an RSC service is one of paperwork and provenance. To a collector these are important issues that add value to the watch and forgo a lot of issues. Having said that, there are master watchmakers that by virtue of their skill, access to parts, and reputation have gained the confidence of the vintage community. I think a watch serviced by these craftsmen fills the "void" that a lack of factory support might bring. I think it behooves the vintage enthusiast to network with other collectors in his/her part of the world to identify those watchmakers that have the confidence of the community. At some point we may well see the use of parts made by these masters. I don't think that time is as yet at hand, nor will it be for quite a while. I have always felt the most important thing for the buyer/collector to consider is to buy the BEST example you possibly can. Even if it's going to cost a bit more than you had originally hoped. The savings in worry and headaches is but aspect of buying BEST. The most important is in future valuation. Good luck and BTW the 1680 is a perfect vintage piece to have--my favorite diver.

13 July 2008, 06:50 AM	#6
AJF Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Real Name: Ally Location: Surrey (UK) Watch: 15223 Posts: 638	Rolex UK in London informed me that they will service and repair watches going back to the 1950's. Although they charge a premium on top of the normal service charge for watches with movements that are nolonger manufactured. You could always send it to them AJF.

13 July 2008, 10:49 PM	#7
MMK Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: South Africa Watch: Daytona SS Posts: 69	Thank you Aly. Will keep in mind for future.

13 July 2008, 11:16 PM	#8
AJF Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Real Name: Ally Location: Surrey (UK) Watch: 15223 Posts: 638	Check under the thread "When Will We Have To Go After Market". JimBits76 kindly posted details of two Watchmakers that Rolex have recommended who service and repair vintage watches. Apparently he was told by Rolex UK that they would not service his 1957 watch. One of the watch repair companies will accept watches from overseas including South Africa. AJF.

13 July 2008, 11:27 PM	#9
MMK Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: South Africa Watch: Daytona SS Posts: 69	Aly, once again thank you for the time and trouble. Sincerely appreciate the guidance.

14 July 2008, 07:17 AM	#13
Mr Sandman "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: Jim Location: Devon U.K Posts: 527	Go for it....I love my vintage 1953 oyster manual wind....I dont get it serviced at an RSC but send it to my local watch maker when I need too(which isnt very often).When I asked my AD about sending it to Rolex for a service he said that its too old but if it was a SUB,GMT or Early Daytona it wouldnt be an issue. Get the sub,sent it off and post some pics when its back

19 August 2008, 06:21 PM	#17
nch209 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Real Name: Nathan Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 2,775	I have a GMT 16750, and while its not the oldest watch, its easly my favorite! I bought it on a whim, but what a find! I've had lots come and go, but this GMT is a keeper. My vote- buy your 1675 and enjoy- lots of parts out there for it!!! __________________ nch209

19 August 2008, 09:34 PM	#18
jdc "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: Martin Location: UK Posts: 7,023	Good advice and info as usual Mike

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