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alwayswantedRollie · 5 November 2008, 11:58 AM

Hi,
I recently bought a pre-owned GMT Master II (Z serial) with box, paperwork and the original warranty paper with the serial, AD's store name, and original buyers info. Everything matches up on the case, and I dont see anything that leads me to believe it is not 100% authentic. However, I am still a bit skepitical. I paid $4,400, which seems inline for the year and how good of shape it is in.

Is there anything that I should be looking out for that I might be missing? The only scary thing that I can think of is that the original movements could have been swapped out for fakes or something. Thoughts?
Thanks

sea-dweller · 5 November 2008, 12:42 PM

If you want to soothe your mind, have it checked and authenticated.

Quote:

Originally Posted by alwayswantedRollie

Hi,
I recently bought a pre-owned GMT Master II (Z serial) with box, paperwork and the original warranty paper with the serial, AD's store name, and original buyers info. Everything matches up on the case, and I dont see anything that leads me to believe it is not 100% authentic. However, I am still a bit skepitical. I paid $4,400, which seems inline for the year and how good of shape it is in.

Is there anything that I should be looking out for that I might be missing? The only scary thing that I can think of is that the original movements could have been swapped out for fakes or something. Thoughts?
Thanks

kcmo · 5 November 2008, 12:43 PM

I agree. The only way to be 100% sure is to have it authenticated.

Congrats by the way!

nch209 · 5 November 2008, 12:46 PM

pop the caseback and check it out! Good luck!!!

dweller · 5 November 2008, 12:49 PM

Like the others have said, bring to a local Rolex watchmaker and have it opened up and pressure tested for piece of mind, would take less than 10mins.

Tools · 5 November 2008, 01:09 PM

Why on earth would you think that it's not legitimate...

And, why do you think that anybody would go through the trouble to put a fake movement in an otherwise perfectly good GMT....

In any event....check the hand stack...make sure that the hands are positioned properly and that the Mercedes hand "jumps" as it should, and the 24 hr hand is exactly 1/2 the speed of the main dial hand..

Nobody makes a fake that is put together and functions like a Rolex:

RossInIllinois · 5 November 2008, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Tools

Why on earth would you think that it's not legitimate...

And, why do you think that anybody would go through the trouble to put a fake movement in an otherwise perfectly good GMT....

In any event....check the hand stack...make sure that the hands are positioned properly and that the Mercedes hand "jumps" as it should, and the 24 hr hand is exactly 1/2 the speed of the main dial hand..

Nobody makes a fake that is put together and functions like a Rolex:

I agree, I just purchased a Y serial for $4300 so your price is right in line. Have you checked for the etched crown at 6pm? Look close its kinda hard to find.

Nakow · 5 November 2008, 01:49 PM

Let any certified watchmaker open the case back and it would be pretty obvious !
Whenever I had my purchase from an AD ,I never bothered to authenticate the watch even on various occasions when I bought a Rolex watch from private sellers I always went with my experience and fortunately I never went wrong though I did open the case back long after the purchase .The whole experience regarding the Rolex watches come from the level of interest you keep in Rolex by various means which includes handling different models of Rolex and reading about the Rolex watches and the movements inside it .
Regards

scottschoe · 5 November 2008, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by alwayswantedRollie

Hi,
I recently bought a pre-owned GMT Master II (Z serial) with box, paperwork and the original warranty paper with the serial, AD's store name, and original buyers info. Everything matches up on the case, and I dont see anything that leads me to believe it is not 100% authentic. However, I am still a bit skepitical. I paid $4,400, which seems inline for the year and how good of shape it is in.

Is there anything that I should be looking out for that I might be missing? The only scary thing that I can think of is that the original movements could have been swapped out for fakes or something. Thoughts?
Thanks

Do your checking BEFORE purchase. Now all you can do is hold your breath and send it into an RSC.

YuppieKid · 5 November 2008, 02:44 PM

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bodybump · 5 November 2008, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by YuppieKid

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Have it appraised...

By the way WELCOME TO TRF!!!

wuzzzer · 5 November 2008, 03:40 PM

Maybe have those things checked before you buy one next time.

walds11 · 5 November 2008, 05:01 PM

Agreed. Do your homework FIRST.

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Originally Posted by scottschoe

Do your checking BEFORE purchase. Now all you can do is hold your breath and send it into an RSC.

gone2vegas · 5 November 2008, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by scottschoe

Do your checking BEFORE purchase. Now all you can do is hold your breath and send it into an RSC.

+1

I see this on different types of message boards all over the internet, but can't figure out why people don't research before buying.

gingi310 · 5 November 2008, 06:01 PM

If the hour hand "jumps", it is real. No fake can do that....

marshallr47 · 5 November 2008, 09:51 PM

The only way to know for sure is to have a watchmaker remove the backing and take a look at the movement. They will know instantly. Good luck and congrats on the watch.

Brushpup · 5 November 2008, 11:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tools

Why on earth would you think that it's not legitimate...

And, why do you think that anybody would go through the trouble to put a fake movement in an otherwise perfectly good GMT....

In any event....check the hand stack...make sure that the hands are positioned properly and that the Mercedes hand "jumps" as it should, and the 24 hr hand is exactly 1/2 the speed of the main dial hand..

Nobody makes a fake that is put together and functions like a Rolex:

I'm with Larry on this one. Unless you bought it from a shady character I think you have no worries. I also agree that you should have worried before purchasing as well, but too late for that now.

alwayswantedRollie · 6 November 2008, 10:12 AM

Thanks for the advice. Had it checked. All good! Thanks again.

oneillba · 6 November 2008, 11:26 AM

Good for you, congratulations!

TimeToGo · 6 November 2008, 11:42 AM

Welcome to the forum....Pictures if you have them...

carbon6 · 6 November 2008, 11:46 AM

As others have said, you'll have to take it to an AD to get it opened up and verified. But I have heard that some of the Asian street vendors have different grades of Folexes and will swap out the movements for some other inferior movement.

MACRAME QUEENS · 6 November 2008, 12:38 PM

what do you mean when you say hour hand "jumps?"

SS Oyster · 6 November 2008, 04:21 PM

$100 up front to have authenticated much better than $4k spent on a Molex

5 November 2008, 11:58 AM	#1
alwayswantedRollie "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: MA Posts: 2	Pre-owned GMT Master II - question Hi, I recently bought a pre-owned GMT Master II (Z serial) with box, paperwork and the original warranty paper with the serial, AD's store name, and original buyers info. Everything matches up on the case, and I dont see anything that leads me to believe it is not 100% authentic. However, I am still a bit skepitical. I paid $4,400, which seems inline for the year and how good of shape it is in. Is there anything that I should be looking out for that I might be missing? The only scary thing that I can think of is that the original movements could have been swapped out for fakes or something. Thoughts? Thanks

5 November 2008, 12:46 PM	#4
nch209 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Real Name: Nathan Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 2,775	pop the caseback and check it out! Good luck!!! __________________ nch209

5 November 2008, 01:09 PM	#6
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 SUBMARINER Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,346	Why on earth would you think that it's not legitimate... And, why do you think that anybody would go through the trouble to put a fake movement in an otherwise perfectly good GMT.... In any event....check the hand stack...make sure that the hands are positioned properly and that the Mercedes hand "jumps" as it should, and the 24 hr hand is exactly 1/2 the speed of the main dial hand.. Nobody makes a fake that is put together and functions like a Rolex: __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

5 November 2008, 02:44 PM	#10
YuppieKid "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Real Name: Brandon Location: West Coast, US Posts: 1,079	Just take it to your local AD and have their watchmaker examine it. ., __________________ Brandon

5 November 2008, 06:01 PM	#15
gingi310 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: San Francisco Posts: 117	Easy... If the hour hand "jumps", it is real. No fake can do that....

5 November 2008, 12:43 PM	#3
kcmo "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Real Name: Karis Location: USA Posts: 19,377	I agree. The only way to be 100% sure is to have it authenticated. Congrats by the way!

5 November 2008, 12:49 PM	#5
dweller "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: usa Posts: 249	Like the others have said, bring to a local Rolex watchmaker and have it opened up and pressure tested for piece of mind, would take less than 10mins.

5 November 2008, 01:49 PM	#8
Nakow "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Canada Watch: 16622 Posts: 536	Let any certified watchmaker open the case back and it would be pretty obvious ! Whenever I had my purchase from an AD ,I never bothered to authenticate the watch even on various occasions when I bought a Rolex watch from private sellers I always went with my experience and fortunately I never went wrong though I did open the case back long after the purchase .The whole experience regarding the Rolex watches come from the level of interest you keep in Rolex by various means which includes handling different models of Rolex and reading about the Rolex watches and the movements inside it . Regards

5 November 2008, 03:40 PM	#12
wuzzzer "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: USA Posts: 384	Maybe have those things checked before you buy one next time.

5 November 2008, 09:51 PM	#16
marshallr47 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Real Name: Ron Location: Alabama Watch: Daytona,TT Sub,GMT Posts: 4,673	The only way to know for sure is to have a watchmaker remove the backing and take a look at the movement. They will know instantly. Good luck and congrats on the watch. __________________ Ron

6 November 2008, 10:12 AM	#18
alwayswantedRollie "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: MA Posts: 2	Thanks for the advice. Had it checked. All good! Thanks again.

6 November 2008, 11:26 AM	#19
oneillba "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: Brian Location: Hamilton, MI USA Watch: My beloved TT DJ Posts: 3,831	Good for you, congratulations! __________________ My Trusty TT DJ

6 November 2008, 11:42 AM	#20
TimeToGo 2024 ROLEX SUBMARINER 41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: North Florida Posts: 16,674	Welcome to the forum....Pictures if you have them...

6 November 2008, 11:46 AM	#21
carbon6 Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: SoCal Posts: 135	As others have said, you'll have to take it to an AD to get it opened up and verified. But I have heard that some of the Asian street vendors have different grades of Folexes and will swap out the movements for some other inferior movement.

6 November 2008, 12:38 PM	#22
MACRAME QUEENS Banned Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: US Posts: 255	what do you mean when you say hour hand "jumps?"

6 November 2008, 04:21 PM	#23
SS Oyster 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: USA Posts: 9,034	$100 up front to have authenticated much better than $4k spent on a Molex

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