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4 July 2024, 01:26 AM | #91 |
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4 July 2024, 02:37 AM | #94 |
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Yeah, a lot of things that are often perceived as AP policy really come down to region or specific boutique. E.g., many people have claimed that Starwheel allocations are limited to prior Code owners. The manager in our boutique was adamant that there's no such policy (from AP HQ).
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I had a similar experience. Was fully committed to building a strong profile; bought a code, and a gem set piece. Then issues began. I wanted to move up the ladder quickly so I committed to a Concept as a 3rd piece when one was offered. Then they couldn’t deliver the piece after offering it to me, I assume they sold it to someone else but they kept me in limbo for like 6 months on a $250k watch saying it was coming it was coming. In between they offered the black/blue ceramic offshore only to call back later the same day and say the concept would be there the following week so they were taking back the offshore offer. Then the Concept never came… At end of year they tried to make up for this with a ROC Blue dial, which I was happy to have but the whole thing left a sour taste in my mouth. Then the Concept came in January, but it wasn’t the one they originally offered it was a different one, so I didn’t want it. That to me was final straw after all this time to not deliver on the original promise was really frustrating. I swapped SAs because something was going on at the store management level that made me feel like I would never be a priority and I’m interested in high end watches not selling my soul for a simple Jumbo. What made it clear to me was while I was there looking at the Concept the Boutique Manager didn’t even come down to say hi or anything. Not to mention I had another SA in the store basically ask me out on a date and hit on me several times, putting me in the uncomfortable situation of not knowing if they wanted me as a client or to date me. I have a GF anyway and she wasn’t my type lol. In between I built a relationship with RM and started a collecting journey there instead, they’ve been head and shoulders above in terms of service, generally being nice to deal with, and the pieces they’ve offered. So after all this I sold the code and offshore to then get a text from the new SA asking if I sold my pieces. I said yes, would like to collect AP for a while but these were mistakes. This was after 9months for one and 1 year for the other both at substantial losses and were pieces AP had a hard time selling themselves. Didn’t like either of them and I couldn’t justify $150k sitting in a safe unworn. Crazy thing is I’d still like to collect their watches but I will do it on my terms, gray market it is. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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4 July 2024, 02:53 AM | #96 |
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4 July 2024, 02:56 AM | #98 |
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A common theme I am seeing is that the bad reputation seems to be coming from US based Boutiques. I can also only report good things from the AP House in Munich for example.
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4 July 2024, 04:23 PM | #99 |
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Get the AP from grey and move to Patek - different level.
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4 July 2024, 04:47 PM | #100 |
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Comical... . like PP is any different
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4 July 2024, 08:42 PM | #101 |
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I am in Canada and we have no AP boutique. Thats embarrassing. I have tried to establish relationships with AP boutiques while visiting the USA many times but get snubbed. So, I sent an email to the head of AP North America only to be told to go to my nearest boutique which could be the AP in NYC, and establish something there. Nonsense. It has become very difficult to procure AP in Canada unless I go grey. Looks like that's the avenue I will take.
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5 July 2024, 02:31 AM | #102 | |
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Bouncing from place to place, SA to SA is surely not helping you. it is so cliche, but a good relationship with a SINGLE SA is your best bet. If you look at my pieces in my signature, you'll see I get only Royal Oaks and some pretty popular ones. That only happens cause my SA likes me and lobbys for me to get the goods. Even the watchmaker at my local house said I get the goods because my SA likes me and I got lucky cause he now happens to be the boutique manager.
My SA called me one day because he saw that there was a watch on wish list from a boutique in another state, he was kind of offended until I explained that must have been on there before I knew him when I was calling around to get a piece. He kindly suggested I dont do that in the future- that should tell you everything you need to know. Furthermore, its weird but I think the code thing is a tell to them. Sure you bought a Code, but did you only do that to get your one royal oak and never come back again? They want repeat, passionate customers. Quote:
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Apologies for my ignorance, but do you move up the ladder by buying a RO Concept, or you have to move up the ladder to get a Concept? |
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5 July 2024, 10:06 PM | #106 |
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5 July 2024, 10:17 PM | #107 | |
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Yes and yes. That being said, Concepts are usually highly expensive and highly depreciate. Therefore the amount of people that want to plonk down that kind of cash and are sometimes not afraid to lose $50-200k on a piece shrinks the potential market quite a bit. I'm sure that's the type of customer that AP can't get enough of, so you'd first have to be offered one but also it moves you up quite a bit |
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6 July 2024, 12:14 AM | #108 |
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And there are many people with exact opposite experiences as you with AP and PP. it is almost like sales associates are humans and sometimes you get a bad one????
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6 July 2024, 12:21 AM | #109 |
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+1, it's all about the people. Looking back 5 years ago I had a great relationship with PP and a lukewarm one with AP. Now, after several staff turnovers, the relationships are the total opposite.
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6 July 2024, 01:46 AM | #110 |
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To expand a little, it's about people on both sides of the table. I'm sure all the posters here are lovely folks, but some of the client behavior in boutiques is between ridiculous and offensive - yelling at staff, arguing about simple facts until they are blue in the face, feeling insulted when it turns out that rules apply (e.g., "by appointment only"), showing up with lawyer in tow,...
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6 July 2024, 02:36 AM | #111 |
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U bought a code?
This should be automatic qualification for a jumbo.
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ANY Patek's until I bought other brands they sold or jewelry from them. Even with a good AD, I'm taking the journey buying pieces from PP's other lines before being allocated a sports watch. So, the experience is not different from what some have posted about their AP experience. I firmly believe it comes down to people. That's both SA's and clients.
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6 July 2024, 11:45 AM | #113 | |
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If you notice Patek has been thinning the number of AD's the past few years (and most who have lost AD status were also selling jewelry and other watch brands). I don't think Patek was naive to what was going on. At least they are taking a step in the right direction to curb the "bundling" some dealers had been using/abusing. |
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6 July 2024, 05:00 PM | #114 | |
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Agree with your points. I hope PP continues to weed out the bad AD's, but I wonder what they will do with one of their biggest AD chains that is deep into the bundling business. Time will tell.
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I’ve never tried to buy from these big chains because of this. And with recent acquisitions / mergers they may be deemed “too big to fail”. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Sorry to hear of your bad experience with AP. Mine has been very different with AP house London, was allocated a Royal Oak as a first AP with no pressure to purchase other models. They did first allocate me a chronograph and 37mm which I turned down before being offered the Royal Oak. I think it can just be luck of the SA.
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8 July 2024, 10:03 AM | #118 |
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It is for individuals who do not have a boutique near them, they work with a dedicated AP SA that I believe works for AP Corporate and have their own allocations outside of the boutiques/houses. I'm not overly familiar with the nomad program, others on here should be able to add more color.
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Starting to get pissed at AP.
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Ya you’re pretty much right.. I had terrible experiences/ zero allocations before getting hooked up with my nomad. Now I’m very grateful for the relationship. I have no other relationships with any other brand or jewelry store. They’ve been really good to me, not just allocations, but flying me to Clearwater for a watchmaking class/ tour, traveling to my city and asked me to invite any friends/ collectors out to nice dinner, etc. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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