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SeeitBuyit · 1 June 2018, 11:45 AM

Always preferred this model. never knew it was scarce. Nice article too.

strafer_kid · 12 June 2018, 08:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fabrice M

GMT's are my favorite watches, a jack of all trades, a tool watch with 3 time-zones, date and more than good enough for recreational diving.

Very well put.....a great watch!

Chope Man · 15 June 2018, 10:50 AM

Hello to All, this is my first post in this great forum.

"3 time-zones" was it said?

Not for a 16700 which is the subject of this thread ... Only 2 of them.

ibbraithwaite · 28 June 2018, 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chope Man

Hello to All, this is my first post in this great forum.

"3 time-zones" was it said?

Not for a 16700 which is the subject of this thread ... Only 2 of them.

No mate - 3. As is the case with any GMT with a rotating bezel

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sillo · 30 January 2019, 10:59 AM

Just to add to this with the help of jP (Springer) I determined there are 5 total dial variations for the 16700. The serials listed with each dial aren't necessarily comprehensive either as the sample size wasn't huge.

Mark I
1st Dial I found. Found in R, L, E, X, S, T, W, U Serials

Mark II
2nd Dial. Found in L, X, N, W, S, T Serials

Mark III/Mark IV
3rd T<25 Dial/1st Swiss dial. I guess we can consider it the 3rd and 4th versions. Found on U and A serials.

Mark V
Last one. Found on T and A serials.

sillo · 30 January 2019, 11:08 AM

Bracelet Options/End Links
78360/501B
93150/501B
62150H 50/502B
78790/501B

Pepsi Bezels were all the blue back version

All papers labeled A30 until A serial. Then it was B for Pepsi N for Black. I believe this style with watermark was used for the entire production run in the US.

Accessories (USA models)

Map box for early serials.

Switched to the more common granite box

Boxes aren't concrete though as watches didn't ship with a box and could be paired with a box the dealer had laying around.

Booklets

Hang Tags
Green Serial Number Tag

Red Single Crown Hologram Chronometer Tag

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faimag · 3 February 2019, 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oldfashioned

Could anyone confirm that 16700 never came with coke dial? I'm asking because I have a 16700A on my paper and Im told that A means black, B means Pepsi, and N means black?

Also, just out of curiosity, is Pepsi more rare or a all black bezel more rare on a 16700?

This is weird. I always thought:
A=coke
B=pepsi
N=black ("Noir")

And yes, the 16700 was only available on pepsi and all-black.

sillo · 4 February 2019, 01:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by faimag

This is weird. I always thought:
A=coke
B=pepsi
N=black ("Noir")

And yes, the 16700 was only available on pepsi and all-black.

Yup this is correct. But prior to ~1999 they were all labeled 16700A30 no matter the insert color.

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Tools · 4 February 2019, 04:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oldfashioned

Could anyone confirm that 16700 never came with coke dial? I'm asking because I have a 16700A on my paper and Im told that A means black, B means Pepsi, and N means black?

Also, just out of curiosity, is Pepsi more rare or a all black bezel more rare on a 16700?

Just to confirm this commonly asked question.

The black/red (Coke) bezel insert was born on the original GMT II 16760, and carried over into the 16710. It is ONLY found on the GMT II; no GMT Master, to include the GMT 16700, was ever released with the black/red insert.

The confusion comes from the initial release of both models. The 16700A GMT I model was the initial release and was Pepsi fitted. The 16760A GMT II was the initial release and fitted with Coke inserts. The follow-on GMT II retained A suffix as Coke, the Pepsi was released later and coded B.

AntoMeRolexPassion · 28 February 2019, 06:01 AM

Very interesting topic, many thanks.
I learned more about a watch that love, particulary around the dials differences

AntoMeRolexPassion · 28 February 2019, 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sillo38

Just to add to this with the help of jP (Springer) I determined there are 5 total dial variations for the 16700. The serials listed with each dial aren't necessarily comprehensive either as the sample size wasn't huge.

Hi, i minutely readed your post about Mk's differences and today i found some photos of my 16700.
A2xxxx bought by official dealer here in Italy in May 1999, single owner.
There are some differences compared to those classified by you.
Can you take a look?
Many many thanks

https://www.rolexforums.com/attachme...1&d=1551360351

https://www.rolexforums.com/attachme...1&d=1551360351

https://www.rolexforums.com/attachme...1&d=1551360351

sillo · 1 March 2019, 02:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AntoMeRolexPassion

Hi, i minutely readed your post about Mk's differences and today i found some photos of my 16700.
A2xxxx bought by official dealer here in Italy in May 1999, single owner.
There are some differences compared to those classified by you.
Can you take a look?
Many many thanks

Going to look into the dial a little more, but regarding the insert, I'm pretty sure that's aftermarket. Have you had that changed at any point?

strafer_kid · 1 March 2019, 02:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tools

Just to confirm this commonly asked question.

The black/red (Coke) bezel insert was born on the original GMT II 16760, and carried over into the 16710. It is ONLY found on the GMT II; no GMT Master, to include the GMT 16700, was ever released with the black/red insert.

The confusion comes from the initial release of both models. The 16700A GMT I model was the initial release and was Pepsi fitted. The 16760A GMT II was the initial release and fitted with Coke inserts. The follow-on GMT II retained A suffix as Coke, the Pepsi was released later and coded B.

Whilst no GMT Master was ever fitted from new with the Coke insert, presumably a Coke insert from a GMT II would fit a GMT Master?

sillo · 1 March 2019, 02:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by strafer_kid

Whilst no GMT Master was ever fitted from new with the Coke insert, presumably a Coke insert from a GMT II would fit a GMT Master?

Yup, all the 5 digit inserts will fit.

springer · 1 March 2019, 02:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sillo38

Going to look into the dial a little more, but regarding the insert, I'm pretty sure that's aftermarket. Have you had that changed at any point?

You are correct. The bezel insert is not genuine Rolex but aftermarket.

AntoMeRolexPassion · 1 March 2019, 03:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sillo38

Going to look into the dial a little more, but regarding the insert, I'm pretty sure that's aftermarket. Have you had that changed at any point?

Quote:

Originally Posted by springer

You are correct. The bezel insert is not genuine Rolex but aftermarket.

I don't remember changing it. it's false? what would be the right one?

exador · 3 March 2019, 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AntoMeRolexPassion

I don't remember changing it. it's false? what would be the right one?

Your insert has “hooked 2’s” (photo courtesy Springer). No big deal, pop it out then take your watch to a Rolex AD and get a replacement.

AntoMeRolexPassion · 3 March 2019, 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by exador

Your insert has “hooked 2’s” (photo courtesy Springer). No big deal, pop it out then take your watch to a Rolex AD and get a replacement.

Thanks,
in these days I've verified that it is fake...
Yesterday i found this, can it be correct?

https://www.rolexforums.com/attachme...1&d=1551613269

sillo · 5 March 2019, 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AntoMeRolexPassion

Thanks,
in these days I've verified that it is fake...
Yesterday i found this, can it be correct?

https://www.rolexforums.com/attachme...1&d=1551613269

Yup, that one looks good

For me I always look at the bottom of the twos. If you compare them the aftermarket ones are straight, while the genuine ones follow the curvature of the inside diameter of the insert.

Not sure though if yours would have originally had a serif or non serif insert, but that's really not an issue. I have this "Talking Points" booklet from 1991 showing the non serif insert.

joe100 · 21 May 2019, 09:39 AM

sillo · 21 May 2019, 09:43 AM

^ very nice!

joe100 · 21 May 2019, 09:47 AM

Thanks and likewise!

Time to get this thread rolling again

mineral · 21 May 2019, 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sillo38

^ very nice!

Look perfect!

Mine joining you as well.

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strafer_kid · 12 June 2019, 09:18 PM

Gotta love the 16700!

wilsonpepper · 11 October 2019, 05:48 AM

GMT is 25 years old and flawless, 18238 is 29 years old, soon to be 30.

The 18238 keeps the best time of 16 different Rolex models I own !

BisonHead · 11 October 2019, 06:17 AM

Just noticed this thread, a great read Larry thanks.

mineral · 11 October 2019, 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wilsonpepper

GMT is 25 years old and flawless, 18238 is 29 years old, soon to be 30.

The 18238 keeps the best time of 16 different Rolex models I own !

The Gmt really look good on you especially with that jubilee bracelet. Thanks for sharing.

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5pastfive · 7 January 2020, 02:14 AM

My daily wear turns 25 this year

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Initial_J · 17 January 2020, 09:56 AM

What do the forum members think of the insert on this piece? The 2's look ok to me, but the arrow at 12 o'clock doesn't seem to properly align with the bezel.

mmaggi · 3 February 2020, 04:52 AM

Initial J - The bezel looks fine. I had a new bezel insert installed by Rolex on my 16710 and the arrow doesn't line up at 12 on mine as well. I have to place it in between clicks to line up. Whatever. There are worse things.

30 January 2019, 10:59 AM	#245
sillo "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Real Name: Sean Location: NY Watch: 5 Digit Posts: 2,840	Just to add to this with the help of jP (Springer) I determined there are 5 total dial variations for the 16700. The serials listed with each dial aren't necessarily comprehensive either as the sample size wasn't huge. Mark I 1st Dial I found. Found in R, L, E, X, S, T, W, U Serials Mark II 2nd Dial. Found in L, X, N, W, S, T Serials Mark III/Mark IV 3rd T<25 Dial/1st Swiss dial. I guess we can consider it the 3rd and 4th versions. Found on U and A serials. Mark V Last one. Found on T and A serials. __________________ 14060 \| 16570 \| 16600 \| 16700 \| 16800 \| 79260 @TheGMTHand

30 January 2019, 11:08 AM	#246
sillo "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Real Name: Sean Location: NY Watch: 5 Digit Posts: 2,840	Bracelet Options/End Links 78360/501B 93150/501B 62150H 50/502B 78790/501B Pepsi Bezels were all the blue back version All papers labeled A30 until A serial. Then it was B for Pepsi N for Black. I believe this style with watermark was used for the entire production run in the US. Accessories (USA models) Map box for early serials. Switched to the more common granite box Boxes aren't concrete though as watches didn't ship with a box and could be paired with a box the dealer had laying around. Booklets Hang Tags Green Serial Number Tag Red Single Crown Hologram Chronometer Tag [/QUOTE] __________________ 14060 \| 16570 \| 16600 \| 16700 \| 16800 \| 79260 @TheGMTHand

21 May 2019, 09:39 AM	#260
joe100 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Real Name: Joe Location: New Mexico Watch: Explorer Posts: 12,836	__________________ It's Espresso, not Expresso. Coffee is not a train in Italy. -TRF Member 6982-

21 May 2019, 09:43 AM	#261
sillo "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Real Name: Sean Location: NY Watch: 5 Digit Posts: 2,840	^ very nice! __________________ 14060 \| 16570 \| 16600 \| 16700 \| 16800 \| 79260 @TheGMTHand

21 May 2019, 09:47 AM	#262
joe100 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Real Name: Joe Location: New Mexico Watch: Explorer Posts: 12,836	Thanks and likewise! Time to get this thread rolling again __________________ It's Espresso, not Expresso. Coffee is not a train in Italy. -TRF Member 6982-

1 June 2018, 11:45 AM	#241
SeeitBuyit "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FL Watch: Breguet Hora Mundi Posts: 133	Always preferred this model. never knew it was scarce. Nice article too.

15 June 2018, 10:50 AM	#243
Chope Man "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Real Name: Jean-Michel Location: Paris, France Watch: Blue dial 16618 Posts: 293	Hello to All, this is my first post in this great forum. "3 time-zones" was it said? Not for a 16700 which is the subject of this thread ... Only 2 of them.

28 February 2019, 06:01 AM	#250
AntoMeRolexPassion "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2019 Real Name: Antonio Location: Messina - Italy Posts: 140	Very interesting topic, many thanks. I learned more about a watch that love, particulary around the dials differences

11 October 2019, 06:17 AM	#266
BisonHead "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: UK Watch: Sub,SD,DJ,OP Posts: 1,950	Just noticed this thread, a great read Larry thanks.

7 January 2020, 02:14 AM	#268
5pastfive "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2019 Location: CH Posts: 70	My daily wear turns 25 this year Gesendet von meinem SM-A405FN mit Tapatalk

3 February 2020, 04:52 AM	#270
mmaggi Banned Join Date: Sep 2019 Real Name: Michael Location: Nassau County, NY Watch: 16710 Posts: 889	Initial J - The bezel looks fine. I had a new bezel insert installed by Rolex on my 16710 and the arrow doesn't line up at 12 on mine as well. I have to place it in between clicks to line up. Whatever. There are worse things.

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