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Tools · 15 March 2010, 05:35 AM

There are many who profess that the Tudor Red Ranger never existed..

Others swear that they "had one"...or know somebody who had one..

The facts..
Rangers w/White lettering...Red's in question
34mm
Ref: 9050
mvt: ETA 2784 ?
Date: mid 70's or so..

Here are a couple of photos that I found...Don't know who they belong to, but I question the authenticity of it being a true "Red Ranger", just based on these photos.. I don't believe that a 40 year old dial and case would look like this, and I believe that the back wording was stamped and this appears etched..???

Any Tudor experts who might want to join the discussion..

I do plan to add this to a Reference Library Thread on this model... I already do have a discussion on the oft faked 37mm there...

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orig1.jpg

Anybody care to contribute to this knowledge base ??

valentine · 15 March 2010, 05:56 AM

that looks fake...the dial looks like the fake 1016 dials Ive seen...and the caseback is way off..

Mockingbird · 15 March 2010, 06:50 AM

Yeah the dial looks very suspicious to me.

Safetrends · 15 March 2010, 06:58 AM

Call me nuts, however the letters are stamped into the caseback.

Also here is a photo of a 40 year old Tudor, with the shield, the one posted is a rose?

Jocke · 15 March 2010, 08:25 AM

Larry I will say there is no real red ones out there.

I have one and that is not a real one.

cornerstore · 15 March 2010, 08:54 AM

Found these pics the case back not same as one you posted.I think case back looks authentic . The rest a Frankenwatch .It states it is a Red but repainted dial so no help there. red1.jpg

red2.jpg

red 3.jpg

Earl Camembert · 15 March 2010, 09:25 AM

Lettering on the case back looks fake.

Tools · 15 March 2010, 10:31 AM

Here are a couple of more photos of this same watch but taken 3 years earlier........

What concerns me here is that the photographer was able to take clear photos of the front and back (let me say here that this is a different set of photos from the ones shown); but the photos of the numbers are in the typical e-bay fashion of obfuscation (but this has yet to be determined). I have enlarged and sharpened the photos for better clarity..

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IMG_2894.jpg

These photos were taken from the public domain (Internet) and are not mine.

springer · 15 March 2010, 11:00 AM

Larry, that case is fake. The last set of photos where it is stamped STAINLESS STEEL has the wrong font. The "E's" are incorrect and like those found on other counterfeit cases being produced.

In your first set of pics, the case is not engraved, but etched, which is enough to make it counterfeit. The dial is too new, it is a fake also.

jP

Tools · 15 March 2010, 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by springer

Larry, that case is fake. The last set of photos where it is stamped STAINLESS STEEL has the wrong font. The "E's" are incorrect and like those found on other counterfeit cases being produced.

In your first set of pics, the case is not engraved, but etched, which is enough to make it counterfeit. The dial is too new, it is a fake also.

jP

I agree with everything you have said John, and that has been my stated opinion..

idk01 · 16 March 2010, 08:49 PM

Sorry to come in so late, I agree with John on this one, Fake case, Acid etched letting on the caseback

and fonts between the lugs are incorrect, as for the movement could be fine but the dial has seen some special attention at some stage, and you know what I mean about Special Attention :-)

onkyo · 17 March 2010, 02:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by springer

Larry, that case is fake. The last set of photos where it is stamped STAINLESS STEEL has the wrong font. The "E's" are incorrect and like those found on other counterfeit cases being produced.

In your first set of pics, the case is not engraved, but etched, which is enough to make it counterfeit. The dial is too new, it is a fake also.

jP

My understanding as well....

Safetrends · 17 March 2010, 02:34 AM

FAKE

BASSETHOUNDS · 17 March 2010, 04:45 AM

Cannot say if a "red" Ranger was ever made , but this case back is definitely fake and we must assume the dial to be as well .

15 March 2010, 05:35 AM	#1
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 DATE-JUST41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,342	Tudor Red Rangers.....Let's Talk There are many who profess that the Tudor Red Ranger never existed.. Others swear that they "had one"...or know somebody who had one.. The facts.. Rangers w/White lettering...Red's in question 34mm Ref: 9050 mvt: ETA 2784 ? Date: mid 70's or so.. Here are a couple of photos that I found...Don't know who they belong to, but I question the authenticity of it being a true "Red Ranger", just based on these photos.. I don't believe that a 40 year old dial and case would look like this, and I believe that the back wording was stamped and this appears etched..??? Any Tudor experts who might want to join the discussion.. I do plan to add this to a Reference Library Thread on this model... I already do have a discussion on the oft faked 37mm there... orig.jpg orig1.jpg Anybody care to contribute to this knowledge base ?? __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member Last edited by Tools; 15 March 2010 at 08:47 AM..

15 March 2010, 08:25 AM	#5
Jocke 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Real Name: Jocke Location: Sweden Watch: A dozen of Rolex's Posts: 22,531	Larry I will say there is no real red ones out there. I have one and that is not a real one. __________________ This message is written in perfect swenglish. What is best a custom Rolex or a Rolex that is stuck in custom? Buy a professional camera and you´re a professional photographer, buy a flute and you own a flute.

15 March 2010, 10:31 AM	#8
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 DATE-JUST41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,342	Here are a couple of more photos of this same watch but taken 3 years earlier........ What concerns me here is that the photographer was able to take clear photos of the front and back (let me say here that this is a different set of photos from the ones shown); but the photos of the numbers are in the typical e-bay fashion of obfuscation (but this has yet to be determined). I have enlarged and sharpened the photos for better clarity.. IMG_2892.jpg IMG_2894.jpg These photos were taken from the public domain (Internet) and are not mine. __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

15 March 2010, 11:00 AM	#9
springer 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: jP Location: Texas Watch: GMT-MASTER Posts: 17,184	Larry, that case is fake. The last set of photos where it is stamped STAINLESS STEEL has the wrong font. The "E's" are incorrect and like those found on other counterfeit cases being produced. In your first set of pics, the case is not engraved, but etched, which is enough to make it counterfeit. The dial is too new, it is a fake also. jP __________________ Member of NAWCC since 1990. INSTAGRAM USER NAME: SPRINGERJFP Visit my Instagram page to view some of the finest vintage GMTs anywhere - as well as other vintage classics.

16 March 2010, 08:49 PM	#11
idk01 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Dave Location: Australia Watch: DJ16233TT Posts: 18,485	Sorry to come in so late, I agree with John on this one, Fake case, Acid etched letting on the caseback and fonts between the lugs are incorrect, as for the movement could be fine but the dial has seen some special attention at some stage, and you know what I mean about Special Attention :-) __________________ *Apprentice to Terry Newton; Superstar and Fake Sleuth*

15 March 2010, 05:56 AM	#2
valentine Banned Join Date: Jul 2008 Real Name: Justin Location: Baltimore, MD Watch: TT Diamond DJ Posts: 2,809	that looks fake...the dial looks like the fake 1016 dials Ive seen...and the caseback is way off..

15 March 2010, 06:50 AM	#3
Mockingbird "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: -- Posts: 2,097	Yeah the dial looks very suspicious to me.

15 March 2010, 08:54 AM	#6
cornerstore "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Canada Posts: 4,003	Found these pics the case back not same as one you posted.I think case back looks authentic . The rest a Frankenwatch .It states it is a Red but repainted dial so no help there. red1.jpg red2.jpg red 3.jpg

15 March 2010, 09:25 AM	#7
Earl Camembert Banned Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Jersey Posts: 1,858	Lettering on the case back looks fake.

17 March 2010, 02:34 AM	#13
Safetrends Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Real Name: David Walz Location: San Diego CA USA Watch: my hand. :) Posts: 9,156	FAKE

17 March 2010, 04:45 AM	#14
BASSETHOUNDS Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Real Name: Tristan Location: GIRONA , SPAIN Watch: 116520/660/710/334 Posts: 7,147	Cannot say if a "red" Ranger was ever made , but this case back is definitely fake and we must assume the dial to be as well .

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