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Dealing with Bill Wylie a/k/a "425ranger"
I closed a deal today with Bill for the D series Sea Dweller he has posted on here. Several hours later he sends me an email stating he has decided not to honor our agreement, which we all know means he got a better offer after he contracted to sell the watch to me and now wishes to back out. I emailed him back and politely stated that I expected him to honor our agreement. He has refused to respond. The purpose of this post is to make all aware of his dishonorable conduct and to warn others to be weary of Mr. Wylie. Anyone interested in reading the email string that corroborates my account of these events, please email me and I am happy to share it. It is unfortunate that certain people do not conduct themselves with more integrity within our community. We do not have to tolerate this type of unscrupulous practice and I for one am appalled that someone would conduct themselves in this manner.
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This is an unfortunate event. Sorry to hear.
I believe that things happen for a reason and maybe this was not meant to be for you. Be patient, you may find something better! |
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Real Name: Steve
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That totally sucks. Sorry to hear about that. I think you need to move this over to the Who/Who's section of buyers and sellers.
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If you offered the full asking price then I'd say - naughty naughty.
If you beat the price down then he found someone who'd pay the asking price I'd say - fair enough. ... unless you had paid and he had to return the payment, that would be bad form.
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Agree with Paul. there's always two sides to a story and I'd like to hear the other side before passing judgement.
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__________________________________________________ _______________ Im sick over this sale. I can't do it. What a p@ss* [word redacted by ATH due to forum rules on profanity]. I have never had sellers regret before even shipping the watch. I am truly only looking for a trade. Apologize to you. Bill Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android From: Andrew Harrison <aharrison@sneedlangherrold.com>; To: Bill Wylie <shelbytwpk9@yahoo.com>; Subject: Re: SD Sent: Sun, May 8, 2011 5:47:47 PM Funny! Ship to: Andrew Harrison 1700 Williams Center Tower I One West Third Street Tulsa, OK 74103 No hurry on the wire instructions man. No worries. Thx Andrew Sent from my iPhone On May 8, 2011, at 12:05 PM, "Bill Wylie" <shelbytwpk9@yahoo.com> wrote: > lOOK AT YOU mR. fANCYpANTS. > > > Wires fine I will get instructions Mon from my CU. > > Address please. > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Andrew Harrison <aharrison@sneedlangherrold.com> > To: Bill Wylie <shelbytwpk9@yahoo.com> > Sent: Sun, May 8, 2011 11:57:27 AM > Subject: Re: SD > > No problem I understand. Check with Jared Adelson "Ponycar" and datejustryan. > Both know me well. I cam send you a check if that's easier once you verify my > refs? Happy to do that. I've been on the boards for over a decade and never had > a bad deal knock on wood. > > I'm also a lawyer at sneed Lang in Tulsa. You can look me up- > www.sneedlangherrold.com Go to our people and click on Andrew Harrison- that's > me! > > Just let me know your preference between wire or check. Thanks again bro > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 8, 2011, at 10:50 AM, "Bill Wylie" <shelbytwpk9@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> Never did a wire transfer.... >> >> I have no idea. I can check monday and send out next day then I guess..... >> >> There are ways to stop a wire so i will need some references. >> >> Bill >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Andrew Harrison <aharrison@sneedlangherrold.com> >> To: Bill Wylie <shelbytwpk9@yahoo.com> >> Sent: Sun, May 8, 2011 11:35:26 AM >> Subject: Re: SD >> >> Alright deal. $5200 is a fair price. Send me your wire instructions. I'll wear > >> it with pride. Thx >> >> Andrew >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On May 8, 2011, at 10:35 AM, "Bill Wylie" <shelbytwpk9@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >>> I will consider it. >>> >>> Really looking for a IIc and 5200 in my pocket will get me there. >>>>> On May 8, 2011, at 9:37 AM, "Bill Wylie" <shelbytwpk9@yahoo.com> wrote: I would only sell to get a GMTIIc. Dont think 4900 will do it, I think 5200 Bill >>>>>> ----- Original Message ---- >>>>>> From: Andrew Harrison <aharrison@sneedlangherrold.com> >>>>>> To: Bill Wylie <shelbytwpk9@yahoo.com> >>>>>> Sent: Sun, May 8, 2011 10:32:53 AM >>>>>> Subject: Re: SD >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks Bill. I can do $5000 bankwire shipped/ insured to Tulsa, Oklahoma? >>>>>> On May 8, 2011, at 9:30 AM, "Bill Wylie" <shelbytwpk9@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> YEP, and Yep tons... been at it for awhile.... PHOTOS incl..... ________________________________ >>>>>>> From: Andrew Harrison <aharrison@sneedlangherrold.com> >>>>>>> To: shelbytwpk9@yahoo.com >>>>>>> Sent: Sun, May 8, 2011 10:17:59 AM >>>>>>> Subject: SD >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi- PM sent. I'm interested. Can you send me some scans please and do you have refs? Thanks Andrew |
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So the guy changed his mind.... No reason for burning him at the stake, IMO. As sellers, it happens to us all the time, we just move on. Now if money had already been sent and this happened then ok, I'd be livid too. But nothing was lost, only effort to type a couple emails. Just my twopence.
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While I'd say "naughty naughty" I'd just leave it at that, no real biggie.
I agree with the Mosc, we are as one. ![]()
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You had me at Blancpain Unique Edition (or whatever that bloody one off was called).
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Real Name: Bill
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Hi.
After many many deals I have run into a guy who is a bully. I was considering selling him a watch. I only wanted a Trade but he lowballed me, and then he offered an amount and in the offer was wire transfer. I am not comfortable with that and I find my CU down't even have it. I decided to terminate the transaction. I didn't call his references and didn't charge him anything. There is no deal, for anything, until all terms and conditions are satisfied. They were not here. I pulled the sale and notified him quickly, with my apologies. MY references for all to see..... (which are posted on my WUS user name 425ranger) REFERENCES: WATCHDADDY1, "Tamburello, Vito G" <vito.tamburello@mapleleaf.com>, Paul <captpar@cox.net>, GeorgeAb George Abrahams <justbe973@gmail.com; faingator; John Gaines <jrg_100362@hotmail.com> orange54 MAtt Myers <myers-matt@hotmail.com>, revhrd, Shaun Bozorg <sbozorg@aol.com>, Gary Haley <garyhaley@charter.net>, zidane, demer03, Craig Coughlin <craigcoughlin@hotmail.com, Scott D Kaplan <scottk@hqmilton.com>, PFUND28, cangelosijeff (Jeff Cangelosi <jcangelosi@me.com>), makeitrain, watchbureau, 1watchaholic, manitoujoe, Drez, deepcdvr, GGD, link2derek, lenk, yohoho, frank, patstarrx, adelao@pacbell.net, SunDevilForLife, 2thfxr, dep126, DMB, Broker, hpark21, V8, dep126, docdoowop, mmrkks@aol.com, richard.howe, Foxglove, Antonio de la O <adelao@pacbell.net>, Jorge Gonzalez C <jrg.a.gonzalez@gmail.com>, Richard kaplan <rlewisk@sbcglobal.net>David LaFalce <dlafalce@thehybridgroup.net>, Nick McDearis <mcdeazy@gmail.com>, JS <orionebays@gmail.com> 425Ranger (WUS and DWC), shelbytwpk9 (tz and TRF) All the best to everyone, and many happy deals in the future. Bill
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Thanks for posting the other side of the story Bill
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FROM THE BULLY
You know I may go ahead and sue you for breach of contract just so maybe you'll learn a lesson and realize you can't treat people this way for too long without it costing you. It seems as if you still don't understand that what you did was wrong which is very troubling to me. I'll talk to you again soon Bill- Andrew
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MORE FROM THE BULLY
We’ll see about that Bill. I’m a lawyer so I know a contract when I see it. You’re a dishonest and dishonorable person. I’m going to do my best to make sure you don’t do this to anyone else moving forward. Andrew
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This thread is going down like a homesick mole.
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Andrew sure is being a Jerk.
Bill is a great member on many forums and a good person. Andrew is being a crybaby brat about the whole thing. MOVE ON. |
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Bill has been around the forums for a long time and he has been a rock solid guy in every way shape and form. I will stake my long time stellar forum rep on it.
He didn't want to accept wire-its his choice and we've all been in these sales transactions when stuff flies fast and furiously without thought and then when thought catches up we have reservations. Bill is not the kind of guy who would nix a deal in order to make more money either. |
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OP - not cool. Threats aren't very much appreciated here. Why didn't you mention in your account that you threatened to sue?
Given the info at hand, I think this whole circus was for naught.
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Lawyer
From Oklahoma nuff said. |
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I've dealt with Bill on many different occasions and have enjoyed each one thoroughly. He's a standup guy in every sense of the word.
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Sadly, this type of "I'm going to sue you" response (from the original poster) is what gives lawyers a bad reputation. If anything, I think the "caveat" has turned around on the original poster for many of us reading this thread.
Short story. Years ago, when I was in house as an attorney at a large restaurant company, a first year associate at a law firm in my state wrote my company complaining that a meal made him sick and he was demanding 20K for lost wages, etc... and was sure to include his firm's letterhead and his lofty position, etc.... Long story short, that same firm was in the middle of handling a huge financing deal for us and got close to 1MM in fees from us for a couple years running. The lead attorney/senior partner of that firm got a copy of the letter in short order, and that associate was not there for much longer. It never pays to flash your law license or make threats when you are in the law profession, even if you think it is non-public. Never know how it will turn out for you. |
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I don't think you are a bully in fact, even though you seem to be making a damn good impersonation of one. Members, please keep this one under boiling point. Opinions can be made without forcing me to close it down.
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