Patek Phillipe on Ebay is this fake?

[4therightcause]

I emailed this seller asking if I could pick up the watch in person if I was the winner and he said no. He has good feedback but never selling a watch. Can anyone tell if this is real or fake?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/150664417639...84.m1423.l2649

[casper227]

Fakeeeeeeee.

[4therightcause]

Just for my own learning knowledge does can anyone go into detail on why/how they can tell it is fake?

[Welshwatchman]

Originally Posted by 4therightcause

Just for my own learning knowledge does can anyone go into detail on why/how they can tell it is fake?

A $500,000 watch tends not to be sold for $800.

The case looks awful, and is steel instead of platinum.

The dial looks cheap and nasty in all sorts of ways.

The movement is dreadful and is supposed to be a tourbillon.

The strap is a cheapo leather number and is still better than the watch.

Go to the Patek site and have a good look at their signature watches, then take another look.

I promise that you'll see it, clear as day.

I reported this POS a few days ago but Ebay seems to be happy turning a blind eye.

[FeelingTheBlues]

I know Welshwatchman pretty much said it all and I'm probably the worst watch expert around here but...

- The subdial near the crown has the months on it but there's no hand.
- Although the months are on the said sub dial, you can see it's also displayed on the "guichet" near the crown.
- There's no sign of a hand on the other sub dial neither.
- I could be wrong (please tell me if I am) but I don't think I've ever seen a Patek Philippe watch (or any watch for that matter) showing the year...looks like the other "guichet" shows 2004 in it but I don't think there's any place in that movement to stuck a lot of years...unless that complication will become useless in 2006 I don't see why there would be something like that.
- The case looks like it's made of Stainless Steel to me but, as far as I know, Patek Philippe rarely use that material for their watches (except some Nautilus or Aquanaut models). I even heard Thierry Stern in an interview saying they'd rather use precious metals (and, therefore, rarely use SS) to maintain their watches' "high standards". Even if it's possible to find a SS PP I really doubt it would be something like this one.

I believe these signs could help you to see it's a fake. If I'm wrong feel free to let me know but that's what I saw.

P.S.: if there's a deployment clasp on the band...why does it have the round strap (sorry I don't know the term...english is not my main language) used for bands with a buckle? I believe that clearly shows that if the watch was real...still the band wouldn't be...

[4therightcause]

Thank you I knew the watch was a fake but I always love learning about the discrepancies. I have some knowledge with Rolex but know very little about PP.

[m_allie]

One ugly fake

[FeelingTheBlues]

Originally Posted by 4therightcause

Thank you I knew the watch was a fake but I always love learning about the discrepancies. I have some knowledge with Rolex but know very little about PP.

It's always a pleasure to help! I also think it's great to learn new things about watches so I might as well give some tips when I can.