Vintage Mens Military ROLEX Watch

[abdullah]

military vintage "ROLEX A.10064” wristwatch. High grade Rolex movement made at the beginning of XX century married with perfect original nickel case.



- Elegant look!

- High grade nickel SWISS MADE movement with 15 jewels!

- Huge nickel body

- Original Military Leather Band

- Original restored dial “A.10064”

- Very Rare and collectable item.

- Crystal glass

- Watch for right hand



This antique timepiece is part of history and luxury with world famous “SWISS MADE” quality!

Nickel movement with fifteen jewels is perfectly regulated and has been recently serviced for keeping an accurate time considering age of this watch.







Circa - 1930 – 1940



Body color - silver

Back cover - (1st) nickel / (2nd) glass

Dial plate color - black /white



Movement (mechanical) - nickel with 15 jewels / ORIGINAL SWISS MADE

Body –original nickel

Dial plate – original restored

Original military leather band.

Watch Measurements:


49.43mm – case diameter


58.45mm - diameter with crown


55.85mm - length with lugs


12.85mm - case depth


17.45mm - band width

did any have any information about this rolex ? please...

[Scary Hat]

Hey Abdullah!

Do you have any photos? There are many experts here on the site (I'm not one
of them) that can help you out. Hard to tell just based on the seller's description.



Tom

[abdullah]

[abdullah]

[Felix.H]

Looks similar to Cortebert movement,...

[Paladin]

I think It's a FAKE with a doctored up cheap Russian movement.

[FremStar]

This is why it's hard for me to trust just anyone dealing in vintage.

[abdullah]

Originally Posted by FremStar

This is why it's hard for me to trust just anyone dealing in vintage.

im with you in that....

[wokafu]

hmmm...looks really good..(dont know whether its a fake tho)

[Paladin]

Apparently someone is unloading a lot of these things....

There was an inquiry about another one here in the Vngate forum earlier this week. Here is the response to that question;

Originally Posted by TakesALickin

Steve, here's a copy of the movement pic from the auction you linked, placed next to a picture of a Russian Molnija pocket watch movement I found on the web. Anything look familiar?

The watch in that auction is wayyyyyy too squeaky clean to be from the 1940s.

[Scary Hat]

Morale:

Buy the seller...not the watch. Good catch, guys!

[HunterST]

Looks like a fake to me. There is a thread on the vintage forum about eBay auctions of these.

[abdullah]

[abdullah]

Originally Posted by Felix.H

Looks similar to Cortebert movement,...

you are right it is Cortebert movement .... thanx

[Lol-x]

I've never seen a Rolex like this before.

[Mark020]

That is because it is a fake :-)

[abdullah]

but it is look very nice i like it...:)

[abdullah]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-MILI...item2a1a95bd83

chick this one same movement !!!!!!

[capote]

Original leather band on a 60 year old watch

[scocope]

I recall reading in a eBay listing from a Russian watch seller that the Soviets were the ones making the copies of Rolex movements and putting their own names on them. Don't you all remember the good old days when Soviet R&D consisted of stealing Western technology? Exact copies of various items were made, such as bombers.
The listing states the dial has been redone. The hands are the correct blue. The face and the hands were relumed. The dial was redone, But it was done professionally enough not to put the much sought after red twelve on it. I believe a Franken would have the red twelve, as that always garners more money(as well as not having such a dark color) . However, being it has a nickle case, instead of silver, the lack of a red twelve is appropriate. The only worry is the term "married". Is it a translation issue where the seller is trying to get around the lower quality of it being a nickle case instead of silver? One really needs to see if the appropriate stampings/marking are present to identify the case.
The movement is appropiate for a trench watch of that era. However even with the Rolex name the watch itself is not worth all that much; Maybe $1000 on a very good day or much less on not such a good day, if it can be proven to be not a franken. The dial is not desirable, The movement is of lower quality; therefore no second hand dial, no red twelve, the case is nickle; not silver, not gold. The watch has been refurbished; most collectors want original.
The other movement shown is the Soviet copy of the Rolex/Cortebert movement. Peruse honest Russian watch sellers listings on eBay. A few give very good histories on the various technologies (such as Rolex movements) that the Soviet watchmakers "borrowed" from the West.

[mrbill2mrbill2]

Looks like a modified pocket watch.

[scocope]

"Looks like a modified pocket watch." The sound you are hearing is my hand hitting my forehead. I forgot the most important thing; how big is the darn thing. It's around 2 inches; the same size as a pocket watch. I've also researched "Rolex A. 10064". Nothing comes up except for this exact one; it's highly doubtful that only one would exist in the world. By-the-way the price is $1800. The price might be OK if it was marketed as a converted pocket watch; look at what those Patek Philippes are going for on eBay. But as "vintage trench watch" trying to fool the buyer, the seller should be ashamed.

[Yaroslav]

Dear friends! How can You say that movement is a fake and it was made by Cortebert manufacture? Rolex cal 532 was originaly made by Cortebert for Rolex!
Only difference between them is markings on movement (as I remember, there are 2 types of marking according to catalogue). Do You think it is possible to remove such markings and write what You want??? I saw many fakes on ebay, and it makes me really angry, but You see what I see! We have beauterfull pics and IMHO this is original marking! Cant say anything about "married" case :) as for me, its a real military case made at the first half of XX.
Dear Abdullah! I want to show You how fakes are look like! That time, I reported about this item to support by myself!

[abdullah]

Cortébert (watch manufacturer)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaJump to: navigation, search This article is about a watch manufacturer. For the Swiss municipality, see Cortébert.
Cortébert Watch Company
Type Watch Maker
Industry Watch Making
Founded 1790
Headquarters Cortébert, Switzerland
Area served Worldwide
Products Watches
Website Perseo Watches

Cortébert has a very poorly documented history. The brand name is currently owned by Italian watch manufacturer Perseo[1], and production under the Cortébert brand name has stopped in the mid-1970s. Cortébert used to be one of the highest regarded premium watch brands, manufacturing their own movements, supplying movements to other brands such as Rolex and introducing the jump-hour arrangement. When the quartz crisis hit the industry in the '70s, the majority of prestige brands ceased production including Cortébert. Others have already been resurrected (Baume et Mercier admits, while most companies like to pretend their production was continuous) and today Cortébert is the only remaining brand that has potential to be restored to its historic status.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cort%C3...h_manufacturer)

[abdullah]

In the late 19th century Cortébert has obtained license for the famous jump-hour movement designed by Joseph Pallweber. The very same movement was also used in some IWC models.
Cortébert jump-hour wristwatchThe early 1920s saw the development of the jump-hour into a wristwatch. Because it displayed the time with digits instead of rotating hands, it was the first digital wristwatch produced.

[Yaroslav]

Originally Posted by abdullah

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-MILI...item2a1a95bd83

chick this one same movement !!!!!!

There is a Cortebert marking under ballance "Cort" :)

[nowzen]

here's an ended ebay listing...

claims its a rolex movement
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI...vip=true&rt=nc

[abdullah]

As far as i am concerned, Rolex have been ordering Movements from Cortebert for a decades. And both companies have been using same movement for their watches (532 Calibr.) That movement has been used for making Pocket and wrist watches Both ROLEX and Cortebert. Most likely you can find many lots on ebay where Rolex and Cortebert movements look alike. In that case if i am not mistaken they have been using this movement for a British Army watches.

[abdullah]

Originally Posted by Paladin

Apparently someone is unloading a lot of these things....

There was an inquiry about another one here in the Vngate forum earlier this week. Here is the response to that question;

Cortébert has a very poorly documented history. The brand name is currently owned by Italian watch manufacturer Perseo[1], and production under the Cortébert brand name has stopped in the mid-1970s. Cortébert used to be one of the highest regarded premium watch brands, manufacturing their own movements, supplying movements to other brands such as Rolex and introducing the jump-hour arrangement. When the quartz crisis hit the industry in the '70s, the majority of prestige brands ceased production including Cortébert. Others have already been resurrected (Baume et Mercier admits, while most companies like to pretend their production was continuous) and today Cortébert is the only remaining brand that has potential to be restored to its historic status.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cort%C3...h_manufacturer)

[abdullah]

By the way, I bought this watch and I recevd it today and it's now on my rest

I really love it...... :)