beware of dealer dreamwatches8 on ebay!

[kooltzar]

I saw following offer on ebay:

http://www.ebay.ch/itm/131115154531?...84.m1438.l2649

Looking at the pictures I saw that the REGISTERED DESIGN engraving was missing. I contacted the seller and he just said it might have been erased. Well, the watch has the same marks on both sides of the lugs from the band and the STAINLESS STEEL engraving on the other side is clearly visible. Additionally, the serial is very deeply engraved, so why what have the reg.des. above been erased away completely? So I replied to the sellers unsatisfactory reply stating above facts and asking for an honest description of the watch. As a result I was blocked and delivery to Switzerland was excluded from shipping options. I think that speaks for itself abnd there is not much to be added. So beware!

[AbsolutelyROLEX!]

Well, watch is real and band is a newer 93150 with 580 endlinks.
You sometimes see the engravings very dimly or completely gone, this is not unusual for an old watch, it is caused by the endlinks rubbing against the engraving, usually from a worn out band which is probably why it was replaced at some point.

[toph]

You may be right you may be wrong ( as I reckon I can see remnants of the reg design) but some sellers just can't be bothered being faced with genuine criticism or unwarranted hassle.

[kooltzar]

Originally Posted by anderl712000

Well, watch is real and band is a newer 93150 with 580 endlinks.
You sometimes see the engravings very dimly or completely gone, this is not unusual for an old watch, it is caused by the endlinks rubbing against the engraving, usually from a worn out band which is probably why it was replaced at some point.

Well, you can see that the endlinks created a ditch on both sides of the watch, but only on one side the text is not there. If furthermore you ask questions about such a fact and the seller not only blocks you instead of replying, but also bans a whole country from shipping, than it is more than a tell tell sign that something is fishy and the seller is afraid of facing possible consequences. It is funny that all the sellers that blocked me on ebay are sellers who had known authenticity issues later on like watch-navi and friendly-aabayer.

An honest seller discloses all facts and tries to clarify issues, otherwise he creates justifies doubt.

[toph]

Originally Posted by kooltzar

Well, you can see that the endlinks created a ditch on both sides of the watch, but only on one side the text is not there. If furthermore you ask questions about such a fact and the seller not only blocks you instead of replying, but also bans a whole country from shipping, than it is more than a tell tell sign that something is fishy and the seller is afraid of facing possible consequences. It is funny that all the sellers that blocked me on ebay are sellers who had known authenticity issues later on like watch-navi and friendly-aabayer.

An honest seller discloses all facts and tries to clarify issues, otherwise he creates justifies doubt.

Usually but not always. You may not realise what I am about say next-
Sellers are worried about getting ripped off by problem buyers too. PayPal does not protect sellers. If you are making issues ( rightly or wrongly) before any transaction, sellers worry about what you may do after you buy. Not right or wrong they just can't be bothered with potential hassle, loss of money. Not all buyers are as honest as us.

[kooltzar]

Originally Posted by toph

Usually but not always. You may not realise what I am about say next-
Sellers are worried about getting ripped off by problem buyers too. PayPal does not protect sellers. If you are making issues ( rightly or wrongly) before any transaction, sellers worry about what you may do after you buy. Not right or wrong they just can't be bothered with potential hassle, loss of money. Not all buyers are as honest as us.

But in that case he could tell me sorry please do not bid if you are not convinced, but not just disappear without further words and blocking person and country. And it is especially blocking a country from shipping that means he thinks there might be problems with customs. This seller in particular only blocked switzerland for this watch, not for other watches he sells. Also strange.

[toph]

Originally Posted by kooltzar

But in that case he could tell me sorry please do not bid if you are not convinced, but not just disappear without further words and blocking person and country. And it is especially blocking a country from shipping that means he thinks there might be problems with customs. This seller in particular only blocked switzerland for this watch, not for other watches he sells. Also strange.

It is strange and I agree a seller worth dealing with would reply thoroughly. However some get millions of questions and it's time consuming to reply, not to one or two, but many questions. Not justifying it, but it happens.
Still at least you know you don't want to deal with this guy.

[Knappo 1307]

Originally Posted by kooltzar

Well, you can see that the endlinks created a ditch on both sides of the watch, but only on one side the text is not there. If furthermore you ask questions about such a fact and the seller not only blocks you instead of replying, but also bans a whole country from shipping, than it is more than a tell tell sign that something is fishy and the seller is afraid of facing possible consequences. It is funny that all the sellers that blocked me on ebay are sellers who had known authenticity issues later on like watch-navi and friendly-aabayer.

An honest seller discloses all facts and tries to clarify issues, otherwise he creates justifies doubt.

I find it interesting that you have been blocked by more than one seller on ebay. IMHO that raises some red flags, possibly about your approach in asking certain questions. I have been on ebay for several years, and have bought a lot of things. Never have I been banned by a seller..

[crowncollection]

Originally Posted by toph

Usually but not always. You may not realise what I am about say next-
Sellers are worried about getting ripped off by problem buyers too. PayPal does not protect sellers. If you are making issues ( rightly or wrongly) before any transaction, sellers worry about what you may do after you buy. Not right or wrong they just can't be bothered with potential hassle, loss of money. Not all buyers are as honest as us.

i have to agree with TOPH some buyers just annoy you and you know they will cause you problems after a sale, they are simply educated a bit and that is dangerous they are expecting too much of a used watch that is not serviced and sold as is at a cheaper price than they can get most other places they want for eg. factory spec waterproofness on a 40 year old watch and chronometer specs on a watch with unknown service history, impossible to guarantee as a seller unless you service before sale. They are usually those who have just started researching and believe everything they see on the net, many mistakedly apply the new info to old watches and we all know things have changed over the years, those with expereince know there are many exceptions to the basic rules with rolex watches eg. usa made bands., different fonts on dials and engraving etc. of course there are ligitimate questions also whcih should be asked appropriately, i am not saying you are one of these buyers KOOLTZAR, you are knowlegable, I AM NOT PERSONALLY HAVING A GO AT YOU, but you do need to start selling and see it from the otherside as well, paypal will reverse on a whim and as a seller you have no recourse, you business is effective shutdown if you sell on ebay unless you put your own funds in to sort it for now, hardly fair when it is just a claim at that time, should your whole business be suspended from trade ? you cannot sell on ebay without paypal, so you could lose upto a months trading, cheers mate

[AbsolutelyROLEX!]

Could have been approach, or the seller was having a bad day, or other buyers ticked them off, who knows? sometimes the reason for an action is completely different.
Maybe the OP should just ask nicely why he was banned? or apologize?

[cajuntiger]

he has sold multiple watches on ebay.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/131115154531...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

[kleman]

I don't know about the questions or their tone,, but to block a complete country doesn't seem reasonable. What kind of reassurance may we have in case of problems?

I would not buy from this person. There are plenty of watches to buy from polite persons.

[dysondiver]

Originally Posted by toph

Usually but not always. You may not realise what I am about say next-
Sellers are worried about getting ripped off by problem buyers too. PayPal does not protect sellers. If you are making issues ( rightly or wrongly) before any transaction, sellers worry about what you may do after you buy. Not right or wrong they just can't be bothered with potential hassle, loss of money. Not all buyers are as honest as us.

thats an interesting take on things , very valid point too.