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sparklesparks · 24 August 2014, 02:17 AM

Hi, My husband left me with a huge collection of watches that I have been selling. A user on the ebay site tells me that my Tudor Submariner has a redial and perhaps the watch is not correct. I do not want to misrepresent the watch so I am coming to you folks for some advice. I took the watch to my local watchmaker who said it was indeed real but had issues and needed to be serviced. (keeping time but off by a minute or two a day) I then sent it to Rolex in Texas who sent the watch back and told me it was real but they do not stock the vintage parts to repair it.

They said the luminescence on the dial and hands were discolored and disintegrating, the dial was spotted and there were scratches on it and the hands. The bezel was worn.

I have bidders on the watch now and not sure what to do. I put a reserve on the watch for 2,000.

CrownMe · 24 August 2014, 02:19 AM

No it is not

sparklesparks · 24 August 2014, 02:27 AM

Are you saying the watch is not real or the dial and if you would please tell me what areas you are concerned about.

Lgear080 · 24 August 2014, 02:27 AM

Noticed that earlier today and reported.

sparklesparks · 24 August 2014, 02:30 AM

Why would Rolex tell me it is real. Help, I am not trying to bamboozle anyone, just want to know if it is a small problem or the whole watch is wrong.

sparklesparks · 24 August 2014, 02:30 AM

ps your dog looks like my tibetan terrier

Tools · 24 August 2014, 03:28 AM

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Originally Posted by sparklesparks

Are you saying the watch is not real or the dial and if you would please tell me what areas you are concerned about.

The watch and movement are not authentic. I find it hard to believe that "Rolex" said otherwise..

CrownMe · 24 August 2014, 04:33 AM

I don't think there is 1 authentic part on the entire watch. Maybe the insert?

linesiders · 24 August 2014, 06:09 AM

Insert is fake too.

Sparkles - send me a PM if you want and I can tell you more about this.

crowncollection · 24 August 2014, 07:24 AM

Whole watch is a reproduction. I doubt Rolex failed to see this ?

CrownMe · 24 August 2014, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by linesiders

Insert is fake too.

Sparkles - send me a PM if you want and I can tell you more about this.

I should of known since the rest of it is lol pm me if you get a chance. Would love to Know how to spot the fakes when there not obvious.

bayerische · 24 August 2014, 08:42 AM

It's a fake.

kooltzar · 24 August 2014, 11:42 AM

There is not one authentic piece on this watch.

sparklesparks · 24 August 2014, 12:50 PM

I have had three watchmakers look at the watch. The last one was Rolex in Texas. All three tell me it is authentic. I don't understand how the three watchmakers can be so wrong.

Blong · 24 August 2014, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by sparklesparks

I have had three watchmakers look at the watch. The last one was Rolex in Texas. All three tell me it is authentic. I don't understand how the three watchmakers can be so wrong.

You can even just google image "vintage tudor submariner" and see if you can find a real one that looks like that. To me the easiest give aways are the long E engravings (stainless steel) on the case, the terrible spacing of Geneva on the rotor...which the rotor doesn't seem the correct style....missing the model number on the inside of case back .....

and that a nearly 50 year old watch looks perfectly new with the pearl still carrying luminescence.... That is the newest looking 50 yr old watch ever....not even a spec of dust on the movement!!

I highly doubt rolex said that watch is real....if they did post the written comments from them stating so.

drsven · 24 August 2014, 01:39 PM

You live in Maryland? If so, you must have mailed the watch to RSC Texas. I would love to see the packing slip or notes they sent when the watch was returned.

francis · 24 August 2014, 01:39 PM

You said you sent it to Rolex in Texas... just post a pic of their reply that you received... Maybe we can read between the lines of what they said... Also you said it has been to three watchmakers... You explained why you sent it to the first two but why the third?

linesiders · 24 August 2014, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by sparklesparks

I have had three watchmakers look at the watch. The last one was Rolex in Texas. All three tell me it is authentic. I don't understand how the three watchmakers can be so wrong.

They are. In the event RSC Dallas looked at it then they did not really look at it.

Sorry - watch is no good.

pacific17 · 24 August 2014, 03:04 PM

I am not an expert but that movement does not seem right to me.

sparklesparks · 24 August 2014, 03:30 PM

Thanks all for your comments and time. I had it looked at by three because I saw the T<25 as an indicator of a fake. (the date is on the inside of the back, the Stainless E's are shorter on the top and longer on the bottom. I don't know about the Geneva as I can not open the watch. The Stainless writing looks engraved rather than stamped, are the real ones stamped?) I have left the watch up but clearly stated that many folks think it is a fake and I will refund all money if the watch is not authentic. The rolex in Dallas was the Dallas Service center, North Harwood. The invoice said (recomendations declined by customer) I called them as they had said they did not have parts for that vintage watch. The women looked up my file and told me the comments on the watch as to dial etc. I asked if it was real and she said it was.

MonBK · 24 August 2014, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by sparklesparks

Thanks all for your comments and time. I had it looked at by three because I saw the T<25 as an indicator of a fake. (the date is on the inside of the back, the Stainless E's are shorter on the top and longer on the bottom. I don't know about the Geneva as I can not open the watch. The Stainless writing looks engraved rather than stamped, are the real ones stamped?) I have left the watch up but clearly stated that many folks think it is a fake and I will refund all money if the watch is not authentic. The rolex in Dallas was the Dallas Service center, North Harwood. The invoice said (recomendations declined by customer) I called them as they had said they did not have parts for that vintage watch. The women looked up my file and told me the comments on the watch as to dial etc. I asked if it was real and she said it was.

Post the invoice

drsven · 24 August 2014, 05:33 PM

Looks like the listing was removed from eBay.

MonBK · 24 August 2014, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by drsven

Looks like the listing was removed from eBay.

Great, now let's remove the troll.

77T · 24 August 2014, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by MonBK

Great, now let's remove the troll.

pacific17 · 24 August 2014, 08:11 PM

http://www.ebay.com/sch/sparklespark...p2047675.l2562

She still has two ads up. I always thought they did not put Rolex in the dials.

Old Expat Beast · 24 August 2014, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by pacific17

http://www.ebay.com/sch/sparklespark...p2047675.l2562

She still has two ads up. I always thought they did not put Rolex in the dials.

Both junk anyway.

sparklesparks · 24 August 2014, 11:02 PM

You guys have a great deal of knowledge I am sure. However, Rolex California dials are well documented including in the listings. They are replacement dials that were a fad some time ago. The history is written in the ads. They are not junk, not rolexes but not junk.

nickb732 · 24 August 2014, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by sparklesparks

You guys have a great deal of knowledge I am sure. However, Rolex California dials are well documented including in the listings. They are replacement dials that were a fad some time ago. The history is written in the ads. They are not junk, not rolexes but not junk.

If you're so sure that it's original then why are you asking us?

Vincent65 · 24 August 2014, 11:20 PM

it's real alright - a real POS.

Johny · 24 August 2014, 11:54 PM

post the invoice.

24 August 2014, 06:09 AM	#9
linesiders 2024 ROLEX SUBMARINER 41 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: RedSox Nation Watch: U Talkn Bout Wilis Posts: 5,490	Insert is fake too. Sparkles - send me a PM if you want and I can tell you more about this. __________________ I'm a sailor peg. And I've lost my leg. Climbing up the top sails. I've lost my leg!

24 August 2014, 07:24 AM	#10
crowncollection "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: David Location: australia Posts: 20,214	Whole watch is a reproduction. I doubt Rolex failed to see this ? __________________ watches many

24 August 2014, 08:42 AM	#12
bayerische "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Andreas Location: Margaritaville Watch: Smurf Posts: 19,879	It's a fake. __________________ Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

24 August 2014, 03:04 PM	#19
pacific17 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Real Name: Owie Location: MNL/SFO Watch: G-Shock DW003 Posts: 1,504	I am not an expert but that movement does not seem right to me. __________________

24 August 2014, 08:11 PM	#25
pacific17 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Real Name: Owie Location: MNL/SFO Watch: G-Shock DW003 Posts: 1,504	http://www.ebay.com/sch/sparklespark...p2047675.l2562 She still has two ads up. I always thought they did not put Rolex in the dials. __________________

24 August 2014, 02:19 AM	#2
CrownMe "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Real Name: Kevin Location: Maryland Watch: My Open 6 Posts: 3,433	No it is not

24 August 2014, 02:27 AM	#3
sparklesparks "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Bethesda, Marylan Posts: 10	Are you saying the watch is not real or the dial and if you would please tell me what areas you are concerned about.

24 August 2014, 02:27 AM	#4
Lgear080 Banned Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: NYC Posts: 3,506	Noticed that earlier today and reported.

24 August 2014, 02:30 AM	#5
sparklesparks "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Bethesda, Marylan Posts: 10	Why would Rolex tell me it is real. Help, I am not trying to bamboozle anyone, just want to know if it is a small problem or the whole watch is wrong.

24 August 2014, 04:33 AM	#8
CrownMe "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Real Name: Kevin Location: Maryland Watch: My Open 6 Posts: 3,433	I don't think there is 1 authentic part on the entire watch. Maybe the insert?

24 August 2014, 11:42 AM	#13
kooltzar "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Zürich Watch: Submariner 5512 Posts: 922	There is not one authentic piece on this watch.

24 August 2014, 12:50 PM	#14
sparklesparks "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Bethesda, Marylan Posts: 10	I have had three watchmakers look at the watch. The last one was Rolex in Texas. All three tell me it is authentic. I don't understand how the three watchmakers can be so wrong.

24 August 2014, 01:39 PM	#16
drsven Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Orinda, CA Watch: 16550, 14060, 5513 Posts: 90	You live in Maryland? If so, you must have mailed the watch to RSC Texas. I would love to see the packing slip or notes they sent when the watch was returned.

24 August 2014, 01:39 PM	#17
francis "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: a few places Watch: Datejust Posts: 796	You said you sent it to Rolex in Texas... just post a pic of their reply that you received... Maybe we can read between the lines of what they said... Also you said it has been to three watchmakers... You explained why you sent it to the first two but why the third?

24 August 2014, 03:30 PM	#20
sparklesparks "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Bethesda, Marylan Posts: 10	Thanks all for your comments and time. I had it looked at by three because I saw the T<25 as an indicator of a fake. (the date is on the inside of the back, the Stainless E's are shorter on the top and longer on the bottom. I don't know about the Geneva as I can not open the watch. The Stainless writing looks engraved rather than stamped, are the real ones stamped?) I have left the watch up but clearly stated that many folks think it is a fake and I will refund all money if the watch is not authentic. The rolex in Dallas was the Dallas Service center, North Harwood. The invoice said (recomendations declined by customer) I called them as they had said they did not have parts for that vintage watch. The women looked up my file and told me the comments on the watch as to dial etc. I asked if it was real and she said it was.

24 August 2014, 05:33 PM	#22
drsven Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Orinda, CA Watch: 16550, 14060, 5513 Posts: 90	Looks like the listing was removed from eBay.

24 August 2014, 11:02 PM	#27
sparklesparks "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Bethesda, Marylan Posts: 10	You guys have a great deal of knowledge I am sure. However, Rolex California dials are well documented including in the listings. They are replacement dials that were a fad some time ago. The history is written in the ads. They are not junk, not rolexes but not junk.

24 August 2014, 11:20 PM	#29
Vincent65 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Switzerland Posts: 14,297	it's real alright - a real POS.

24 August 2014, 11:54 PM	#30
Johny "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Real Name: john Location: Scotland Watch: sub 16610Lv Posts: 13,523	post the invoice. __________________ "AFTER DARK" BAR AND NIGHT CLUB GM.

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