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nadavgalimidi · 30 December 2014, 07:35 AM

Hello,

I picked up this 1978 White 1680 last week.
I received it yesterday and upon inspection I noticed that there is some dial discoloration/surface inconsistency.
The seller did not mention this in his description, and I can return the watch.

I was just curious to know what do the experts think about this.
Water damage? Other kind of damage?
Dial partially restored/refinished?

Thanks!

bayerische · 30 December 2014, 07:40 AM

These old dials do develop a bit of a unique patina over the years. This looks a bit like water damage though.

Definitely big enough that it should have been disclosed by the seller.

It wouldn't bother me, if I knew what I was buying, but undisclosed as a surprise... Hmmm...

GeoGio Greece · 30 December 2014, 07:55 AM

Sorry to say, but in these excellent photos, IMO there is also a print problem. The damage IMO will extend and the dial will at some instance show flakes.

I am no expert as some others in the forum, but I have seen many watches and express only my opinion based on this experience.

verticalflight · 30 December 2014, 07:56 AM

Was this posted for sale on this forum? Would be good to know which sellers don't disclose this type of information. Personally I would return it but it depends on many other personal factors.

nadavgalimidi · 30 December 2014, 08:05 AM

Bought on eBay.
Paid $5,700 shipped.

TimeToGo · 30 December 2014, 08:11 AM

Looks like a very nice Mk-1 dial....with a big BUT...

The macro pictures are bringing up detail on the writing that makes it distorted because the crystal has some imperfections, I do not think that is an issue. I think the writing is fine.

Yes there appears to be some issue with the dial around the edge that was hopefully contained at some point. However, I would have concern with getting the watch serviced and having the edge "rip/tear" some of top when taking it out of the case. You will not know unless you get it serviced. Was the watch serviced recently? Do you know the service history?

I am not an expert but I did stay at a Holiday Inn recently...

GeoGio Greece · 30 December 2014, 08:14 AM

...I fully respect the money you paid for, but this watch seems fully deserted, cyclops is off, mold has grown on the watch

, it seems that it was sold right after it was taken off a wrist.

The experts shall justify price v's value of watch.

nadavgalimidi · 30 December 2014, 08:15 AM

that the watch has been recently serviced.
I sent him a message last night after receiving the watch regarding when exactly was the watch serviced and who performed the service.
No reply yet...

JustinK · 30 December 2014, 08:19 AM

I would return it and find a better example. The damage to the dial should have been disclosed by the seller.

GeoGio Greece · 30 December 2014, 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nadavgalimidi

that the watch has been recently serviced.
I sent him a message last night after receiving the watch regarding when exactly was the watch serviced and who performed the service.
No reply yet...

"recently" is a very flexible word, seeing the "o"-ring at the crown and the mold around the threads, I wouldn' t accept a recent service. Also the cyclops and some dirt in the bracelet link.

And the distortion of the crystal to the appearence of the crown and text sharpness is out of the question. As is the 200 m IMO.

Just wait for the opinion of the people that really know the dials. I wish I am wrong !

nadavgalimidi · 30 December 2014, 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GeoGio Greece

"recently" is a very flexible word

Seller's answer: "The watch was serviced by the shop that I bought it from a few years ago in West Palm Beach Fl. During their service the watch was pressure tested and shown to be water proof."

You were right... I guess "A few years ago" = "Recently" for some folks...

marcello pisani · 30 December 2014, 04:22 PM

water or oil permanent damage ...
better return it ( if possible ).
seller should have revealed this problem !

Pict · 30 December 2014, 06:50 PM

Although you bought this at a good price (seller knew what he was selling) I would return it as that would bug me, shame really. Search out a better example, albeit you will probably have to pay more.

TimeToGo · 30 December 2014, 08:02 PM

Seller probably did not have a clue but it is great that they are offering you the opportunity to return it..

It is a shame with such a nice printing on the dial!

azguy · 31 December 2014, 12:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nadavgalimidi

Seller's answer: "The watch was serviced by the shop that I bought it from a few years ago in West Palm Beach Fl. During their service the watch was pressure tested and shown to be water proof."

You were right... I guess "A few years ago" = "Recently" for some folks...

This translates into it's never been serviced IMHO

springer · 31 December 2014, 01:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TimeToGo

Seller probably did not have a clue but it is great that they are offering you the opportunity to return it..

It is a shame with such a nice printing on the dial!

X2.

30 December 2014, 07:35 AM	#1
nadavgalimidi "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Real Name: Nadav Location: USA Watch: 6263 Daytona Posts: 149	Would appreciate expert opinions on this 1680 dial Hello, I picked up this 1978 White 1680 last week. I received it yesterday and upon inspection I noticed that there is some dial discoloration/surface inconsistency. The seller did not mention this in his description, and I can return the watch. I was just curious to know what do the experts think about this. Water damage? Other kind of damage? Dial partially restored/refinished? Thanks!

30 December 2014, 07:40 AM	#2
bayerische "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Andreas Location: Margaritaville Watch: Smurf Posts: 19,879	These old dials do develop a bit of a unique patina over the years. This looks a bit like water damage though. Definitely big enough that it should have been disclosed by the seller. It wouldn't bother me, if I knew what I was buying, but undisclosed as a surprise... Hmmm... __________________ Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

30 December 2014, 07:55 AM	#3
GeoGio Greece "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: George Location: Athens, Greece Watch: es --> A lot ! Posts: 2,327	Sorry to say, but in these excellent photos, IMO there is also a print problem. The damage IMO will extend and the dial will at some instance show flakes. I am no expert as some others in the forum, but I have seen many watches and express only my opinion based on this experience. __________________ Rolex owner since 1971. 5513 and 16700 the loved ones. DJ WG Jubilee 16170 for wife - U series Oyster Perpetual WG 177234 for daughter V-series

30 December 2014, 08:05 AM	#5
nadavgalimidi "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Real Name: Nadav Location: USA Watch: 6263 Daytona Posts: 149	Not sold on this forum. Bought on eBay. Paid $5,700 shipped.

30 December 2014, 08:14 AM	#7
GeoGio Greece "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: George Location: Athens, Greece Watch: es --> A lot ! Posts: 2,327	...I fully respect the money you paid for, but this watch seems fully deserted, cyclops is off, mold has grown on the watch , it seems that it was sold right after it was taken off a wrist. The experts shall justify price v's value of watch. __________________ Rolex owner since 1971. 5513 and 16700 the loved ones. DJ WG Jubilee 16170 for wife - U series Oyster Perpetual WG 177234 for daughter V-series

30 December 2014, 07:56 AM	#4
verticalflight "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: California Posts: 131	Was this posted for sale on this forum? Would be good to know which sellers don't disclose this type of information. Personally I would return it but it depends on many other personal factors.

30 December 2014, 08:11 AM	#6
TimeToGo 2024 ROLEX SUBMARINER 41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: North Florida Posts: 16,692	Looks like a very nice Mk-1 dial....with a big BUT... The macro pictures are bringing up detail on the writing that makes it distorted because the crystal has some imperfections, I do not think that is an issue. I think the writing is fine. Yes there appears to be some issue with the dial around the edge that was hopefully contained at some point. However, I would have concern with getting the watch serviced and having the edge "rip/tear" some of top when taking it out of the case. You will not know unless you get it serviced. Was the watch serviced recently? Do you know the service history? I am not an expert but I did stay at a Holiday Inn recently...

30 December 2014, 08:15 AM	#8
nadavgalimidi "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Real Name: Nadav Location: USA Watch: 6263 Daytona Posts: 149	The seller did say that the watch has been recently serviced. I sent him a message last night after receiving the watch regarding when exactly was the watch serviced and who performed the service. No reply yet...

30 December 2014, 08:19 AM	#9
JustinK 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Real Name: Justin Location: Jupiter, FL Watch: 1530,1665,1680 Posts: 2,063	I would return it and find a better example. The damage to the dial should have been disclosed by the seller.

30 December 2014, 04:22 PM	#12
marcello pisani "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: italy Posts: 991	water or oil permanent damage ... better return it ( if possible ). seller should have revealed this problem !

30 December 2014, 06:50 PM	#13
Pict "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Real Name: G Location: Scotland Watch: 16570 Posts: 384	Although you bought this at a good price (seller knew what he was selling) I would return it as that would bug me, shame really. Search out a better example, albeit you will probably have to pay more.

30 December 2014, 08:02 PM	#14
TimeToGo 2024 ROLEX SUBMARINER 41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: North Florida Posts: 16,692	Seller probably did not have a clue but it is great that they are offering you the opportunity to return it.. It is a shame with such a nice printing on the dial!

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