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BigBobF · 20 March 2015, 07:49 AM

Team,

Below are the specs on a Rolex I am going to look at this weekend. The asking price is $3,000.

1979 Stainless Rolex Submariner
Caliber #1560
Case Ref# 5513
Serial # 6,12*,941

**Average Condition
**Scratches in crystal
**Scratches on bracelet
**Will need basic servicing

My main question... is this worth the $3,000 asking price? I'm under the assumption this watch is pretty beat. No box, no papers, and needs servicing.

I have plans to send this to the famed Bob Ridley, which I'm sure will be $1,000 or more.

All in will probably be $4,000 or a little higher. What are you opinions? Resale is an option, but then again, having a vintage sub on the arm, for a daily banger, is pretty damn cool.

Picture 1: http://imgur.com/4ES8hvQ

Picture 2: http://imgur.com/xYKALuC

Speed · 20 March 2015, 08:32 AM

Bracelet looks shot. You could put it on a NATO or get it replaced.

You have to decide if you are buying to wear or not.

Chadridv · 20 March 2015, 08:47 AM

I am a little bit more of a turnkey type of guy so i personally won't get involved in this. I think with a little bit of patience and for a little bit more money you can get into a vintage sub that will have a better history, be in better condition and overall give you peace of mind.

It it's speaking to you though don't ignore it ;)

Also might be able to get the price down a bit more all things considered.

PoderEsBueno · 20 March 2015, 09:11 AM

The dial doesnt appear original nor period correct by looking at these pics. I have never seen such a crown.

salem65 · 20 March 2015, 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PoderEsBueno

The dial doesnt appear original nor period correct by looking at these pics. I have never seen such a crown.

Yeah that is a funky looking crown on that dial. Not very good pics though.

Afghanvet · 20 March 2015, 10:04 AM

Looks a little suspect to me too...

stil · 20 March 2015, 10:09 AM

I'd pass...

Franks07 · 20 March 2015, 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PoderEsBueno

The dial doesnt appear original nor period correct by looking at these pics. I have never seen such a crown.

Caveat emptor...be very careful with that one OP. These guys that are weighing in on the dial crown know their stuff. If you have any doubts whatsoever on the authenticity of the dial (or any part of the watch) your best option is to walk away and continue your hunt right here with the great group of "trusted sellers"...a deal that is too good to be true generally is just that.
Good luck and please keep us posted.

stil · 20 March 2015, 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Franks07

Caveat emptor...be very careful with that one OP. These guys that are weighing in on the dial crown know their stuff. If you have any doubts whatsoever on the authenticity of the dial (or any part of the watch) your best option is to walk away and continue your hunt right here with the great group of "trusted sellers"...a deal that is too good to be true generally is just that.
Good luck and please keep us posted.

SUBversive · 20 March 2015, 10:17 AM

Just based on the two pics ...

Kaiser10 · 20 March 2015, 10:30 AM

The coronet seems off and the lume plots are strange. No way.

Fleetlord · 20 March 2015, 10:40 AM

Odd looking Franken or FAKE

PASS

BigBobF · 23 March 2015, 02:42 PM

Hi guys two more picture of the watch along with the CL ad. Are your opinions still the same?

Pic 3) http://imgur.com/3G9cL5I
Pic 4) http://imgur.com/cVdLEyh

CL Ad) http://*******/xBKkrs

Any insight would be helpful. Thanks again!

Mezz72 · 23 March 2015, 08:22 PM

looks real fake to me

Britexpat76 · 23 March 2015, 08:25 PM

I would avoid that.

Old Expat Beast · 23 March 2015, 08:34 PM

Best case scenario: repainted dial with water damage, severely overpolished case and trashed bracelet. More likely just a fake, though. Don't even consider it.

Lgear080 · 23 March 2015, 08:43 PM

$3,000.00? is that a joke?

It's a pass. Every issue raised is real and important.
Don't pursue this watch unless you hate money, then by all means...

travisb · 23 March 2015, 08:46 PM

I'd stay away.

cop414 · 23 March 2015, 08:53 PM

I'm far from an expert but I'd agree with all the above posts, that dial looks terrible as well as some major case polishing. I'd pass.

zama · 23 March 2015, 09:27 PM

I would not touch it.

ajg1960 · 23 March 2015, 09:28 PM

I paid about 3K for a very similar watch from a trusted seller here. Difference is my watch is authentic and in much better condition.

AL7273 · 23 March 2015, 09:31 PM

dude, i am not an expert but it looks odd to me.

brettpaul · 23 March 2015, 09:38 PM

I agree with whats been said about the dail - the crown looks odd, particularly the end-points on the crown...at $3k...pass-o!!

Maybe worth a whirl if you can get picks of the movement and the seller wants to accept 1.5k max....the bracelet is shot and it will need work.

JoeyT · 23 March 2015, 09:50 PM

Do not buy that junk

Mfrankel2 · 23 March 2015, 10:12 PM

fughezy... skip it. Check the for sale section here

Rogdogg · 23 March 2015, 10:17 PM

You have been warned and got some great advice from very knowledgeable people. It's a total piece of junk. Say for a second that it was real, it's in awful condition.

mike · 23 March 2015, 10:19 PM

The best thing is to do a lot of research to educate yourself. If so you will find what you're looking at is a train wreck.

sportsmaven20 · 23 March 2015, 10:23 PM

Another reason to love TRF...the experts on this awesome forum are providing feedback to help the OP from flushing $3,000 down the ole commode!

No other forum out there like TRF!

drakulie · 23 March 2015, 10:31 PM

Being that there is no such watch as a submariner "no date", I'd pass.

nick c · 23 March 2015, 10:52 PM

Run away no good

20 March 2015, 09:11 AM	#4
PoderEsBueno "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Real Name: peb Location: Istanbul Posts: 3,145	The dial doesnt appear original nor period correct by looking at these pics. I have never seen such a crown. __________________ Instagram• ~ poderes.bueno

20 March 2015, 10:04 AM	#6
Afghanvet "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Virginia Watch: Subs, SD4K Posts: 2,272	Looks a little suspect to me too... __________________ Subaholics Anonymous

23 March 2015, 08:53 PM	#19
cop414 TRF Moderator & 2024 SUBMARINER Patron Join Date: Apr 2012 Real Name: Tim Location: Pennsylvania Watch: 14060M Posts: 72,029	I'm far from an expert but I'd agree with all the above posts, that dial looks terrible as well as some major case polishing. I'd pass. __________________ Rolex Submariner 14060M Omega Seamaster 2254.50 DOXA Professional 1200T Card carrying member of TRF's Global Association of Retro-Grouch-Curmudgeons TRF's "After Dark" Bar & NightClub Patron P Club Member #17 2 FA ENABLED

23 March 2015, 09:27 PM	#20
zama "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Real Name: Craig Location: Sydney Watch: 4 Broken glass Posts: 5,807	I would not touch it. __________________ Day Date 118206, Daytona 116509 & 116505, AP 25859ST Gone but not forgotten and genuinely missed..... Root Beer GMT, Sub, TT Daytona, YG DD Bark, Datejust(2 his & hers), AP RO, PP Aquanaut, Lange 1, Heuer Monza, Piaget Altiplano, GP Chrono, Seamaster, Tudor Sub, Tudor Chrono, Tudor Black Bay Bronze

23 March 2015, 09:38 PM	#23
brettpaul "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Real Name: Brett Location: Bahrain, Dubai Watch: Rolex and AP Posts: 5,538	I agree with whats been said about the dail - the crown looks odd, particularly the end-points on the crown...at $3k...pass-o!! Maybe worth a whirl if you can get picks of the movement and the seller wants to accept 1.5k max....the bracelet is shot and it will need work. __________________ Photostream on Instagram brett_in_bahrain

20 March 2015, 07:49 AM	#1
BigBobF "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Seattle Posts: 2	Opinion: 1979 Submariner No Date Team, Below are the specs on a Rolex I am going to look at this weekend. The asking price is $3,000. 1979 Stainless Rolex Submariner Caliber #1560 Case Ref# 5513 Serial # 6,12,941 Average Condition Scratches in crystal Scratches on bracelet *Will need basic servicing My main question... is this worth the $3,000 asking price? I'm under the assumption this watch is pretty beat. No box, no papers, and needs servicing. I have plans to send this to the famed Bob Ridley, which I'm sure will be $1,000 or more. All in will probably be $4,000 or a little higher. What are you opinions? Resale is an option, but then again, having a vintage sub on the arm, for a daily banger, is pretty damn cool. Picture 1: http://imgur.com/4ES8hvQ Picture 2: http://imgur.com/xYKALuC

20 March 2015, 08:32 AM	#2
Speed "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: USA Posts: 19,706	Bracelet looks shot. You could put it on a NATO or get it replaced. You have to decide if you are buying to wear or not.

20 March 2015, 08:47 AM	#3
Chadridv 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Real Name: Chadri Location: LI, NY Watch: 116610LV Posts: 11,357	I am a little bit more of a turnkey type of guy so i personally won't get involved in this. I think with a little bit of patience and for a little bit more money you can get into a vintage sub that will have a better history, be in better condition and overall give you peace of mind. It it's speaking to you though don't ignore it ;) Also might be able to get the price down a bit more all things considered.

20 March 2015, 10:09 AM	#7
stil Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Real Name: not stil Location: USA Watch: Rolex n Omega Posts: 1,327	I'd pass...

20 March 2015, 10:17 AM	#10
SUBversive Banned Join Date: May 2011 Location: ri Watch: Sun Dial Posts: 14,346	Just based on the two pics ...

20 March 2015, 10:30 AM	#11
Kaiser10 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Florida Posts: 152	The coronet seems off and the lume plots are strange. No way.

20 March 2015, 10:40 AM	#12
Fleetlord 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: Vain Posts: 6,002	Odd looking Franken or FAKE PASS

23 March 2015, 02:42 PM	#13
BigBobF "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Seattle Posts: 2	Hi guys two more picture of the watch along with the CL ad. Are your opinions still the same? Pic 3) http://imgur.com/3G9cL5I Pic 4) http://imgur.com/cVdLEyh CL Ad) http://*******/xBKkrs Any insight would be helpful. Thanks again!

23 March 2015, 08:22 PM	#14
Mezz72 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Singapore Posts: 618	looks real fake to me

23 March 2015, 08:25 PM	#15
Britexpat76 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Real Name: James Location: Middle East Watch: AP ROO,GP FTC, YM Posts: 892	I would avoid that.

23 March 2015, 08:34 PM	#16
Old Expat Beast TRF Moderator & 2024 SUBMARINER Patron Join Date: Jul 2013 Real Name: Adam Location: Far East Watch: Golden Tuna Posts: 28,758	Best case scenario: repainted dial with water damage, severely overpolished case and trashed bracelet. More likely just a fake, though. Don't even consider it.

23 March 2015, 08:43 PM	#17
Lgear080 Banned Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: NYC Posts: 3,506	$3,000.00? is that a joke? It's a pass. Every issue raised is real and important. Don't pursue this watch unless you hate money, then by all means...

23 March 2015, 08:46 PM	#18
travisb 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Real Name: Travis Location: FL / NYC Watch: Yes.. Posts: 33,330	I'd stay away.

23 March 2015, 09:28 PM	#21
ajg1960 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Real Name: Andy Location: New Jersey USA Watch: DJ / ND Sub Posts: 292	I paid about 3K for a very similar watch from a trusted seller here. Difference is my watch is authentic and in much better condition.

23 March 2015, 09:31 PM	#22
AL7273 Banned Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: UAE Posts: 195	dude, i am not an expert but it looks odd to me.

23 March 2015, 09:50 PM	#24
JoeyT Banned Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: USA Posts: 221	Do not buy that junk

23 March 2015, 10:12 PM	#25
Mfrankel2 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Real Name: Marc Location: New york Watch: SD43,d-Blue, 16710 Posts: 1,010	fughezy... skip it. Check the for sale section here

23 March 2015, 10:17 PM	#26
Rogdogg 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Bangkok Posts: 6,123	You have been warned and got some great advice from very knowledgeable people. It's a total piece of junk. Say for a second that it was real, it's in awful condition. __________________ Nil Satis Nisi Optimum

23 March 2015, 10:19 PM	#27
mike "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 22,683	The best thing is to do a lot of research to educate yourself. If so you will find what you're looking at is a train wreck.

23 March 2015, 10:23 PM	#28
sportsmaven20 2024 ROLEX SUBMARINER 41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Real Name: Randy Location: USA Watch: Rolex Posts: 1,923	Another reason to love TRF...the experts on this awesome forum are providing feedback to help the OP from flushing $3,000 down the ole commode! No other forum out there like TRF!

23 March 2015, 10:31 PM	#29
drakulie "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Ft. Lauderdale Posts: 234	Being that there is no such watch as a submariner "no date", I'd pass.

23 March 2015, 10:52 PM	#30
nick c Banned Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Canada Posts: 26,846	Run away no good

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