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KarlS · 17 January 2016, 04:17 PM

I have an itch for a new watch and never considered Journe (was thinking of ALS) until I saw FPJ at a dealer and just loved the idea of small numbers, fantastic movements and quirky dials. I have slimmed my watches down quite a bit and trying to have a little bit of everything:

Annual Calendar - PP 5146
World Time - PP 5130
Water and weekends - Rolex 116655
Pilot / GMT - PP 5524 delivery in Feb

I don't like chrono's and just sold my Daytona. So I was thinking along the lines of a simple dress watch love the idea of a manual wind and hence the selection of the above 2.

I have worn the Souverain Chronometre and thought it was fantastic. The hands take a while to get used to but at th end of the day its simple and does what it says on the box. But I guess a calatrava does the same and teh comfort of a well know brand.

The blea intrigues me as I love the dial. The entry point for me is about $ 3000 less than the Souverain so not much of a muchness. The absence of a power reserve worries me as I really dont want to over wind this watch. No idea how long a service will take...and with over 50 hours its not as though you can do it every day and it takes 38 winds...so that is a big detraction for me.

Any thoughts form owners and their experiences and what made them choose?

KarlS · 17 January 2016, 04:22 PM

Not my pictures

adamlea · 17 January 2016, 05:00 PM

Great poll. I'm anxious to see how this thread plays out and which one you'll choose. I haven't voted because I'm considering the same FPJ references you are. I am, however, leaning towards the CB because of both its classic simplicity and its tantalum case.

If you haven't seen it, here is a great review of the CB:

https://monochrome-watches.com/fp-jo...-photos-price/

As for the lack of a power reserve on the CB, I would think a 1/2 full wind every day or so would do the trick. It would just be a matter of determining the number of winds that would be. I'm sure some owners could weigh in with some tips.

Great collection, btw. I've also considered a 116655 and a PP 5167, but I think the next one is going to be an FPJ.

KarlS · 17 January 2016, 05:53 PM

Yes saw this review and half the reason why I am swaying between the two. My AD will get the CB in 3 weeks and then I guess once they are both on my wrist its crunch time!!

mps354 · 17 January 2016, 06:06 PM

I voted bleu, but I'm biased since I own one. I'm curious about your concern over winding...once it gets close to fully wound it tightens, and then stops. Aside from forcing it beyond the point where it stops, I'm not sure there's much risk in winding it daily.

KarlS · 17 January 2016, 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mps354

I voted bleu, but I'm biased since I own one. I'm curious about your concern over winding...once it gets close to fully wound it tightens, and then stops. Aside from forcing it beyond the point where it stops, I'm not sure there's much risk in winding it daily.

That's a good bit of advice. Appreciated.

cervantes · 17 January 2016, 08:27 PM

Prefer the newer gold dials of the souverain.

KarlS · 17 January 2016, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by cervantes

Prefer the newer gold dials of the souverain.

i also prefer a brown strap on the Souverain but those arent the options!

KarlS · 17 January 2016, 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adamlea

Great poll. I'm anxious to see how this thread plays out and which one you'll choose. I haven't voted because I'm considering the same FPJ references you are. I am, however, leaning towards the CB because of both its classic simplicity and its tantalum case.

If you haven't seen it, here is a great review of the CB:

https://monochrome-watches.com/fp-jo...-photos-price/

As for the lack of a power reserve on the CB, I would think a 1/2 full wind every day or so would do the trick. It would just be a matter of determining the number of winds that would be. I'm sure some owners could weigh in with some tips.

Great collection, btw. I've also considered a 116655 and a PP 5167, but I think the next one is going to be an FPJ.

Gotta say i do like a 5167

cervantes · 17 January 2016, 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KarlS

i also prefer a brown strap on the Souverain but those arent the options!

In that case the CB. It's as good as advertised.

JJ WA · 18 January 2016, 01:07 AM

If the CS in question is the old one (pictured above), then my vote goes to the CB. If it is the new CS with gold grained dial, I'd vote CS.

Vipes · 18 January 2016, 01:16 AM

I like the original CS in platinum. The white guilloche dial and the platinum case goes well together. I also like the 38mm version better since the bezel is thinner.

Between your choices, I vote for the CS. Personally, I think I would get bored of the blue dial.

KarlS · 18 January 2016, 02:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vipes

I like the original CS in platinum. The white guilloche dial and the platinum case goes well together. I also like the 38mm version better since the bezel is thinner.

Between your choices, I vote for the CS. Personally, I think I would get bored of the blue dial.

Yes and the weight of platinum is a bonus but a bit more expensive and this not fair to compare to CB. The only misgiving I have on the blue is that my 5130 /5524 lean towards blue and I don't have. RG dress watch. But I would love platinum including in the Octa range

GB-man · 18 January 2016, 03:54 AM

I would prefer the CB. I like the dial. That's all that matter

subtona · 18 January 2016, 04:01 AM

Bleu

TheBluePrince · 18 January 2016, 04:12 AM

Blue.

mps354 · 18 January 2016, 05:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KarlS

Yes and the weight of platinum is a bonus but a bit more expensive and this not fair to compare to CB. The only misgiving I have on the blue is that my 5130 /5524 lean towards blue and I don't have. RG dress watch. But I would love platinum including in the Octa range

Funny, I have had similar dilemmas...I've wanted a rose gold dress watch, but keep falling in love with pieces that have blue dials (currently have the fpj chronometre bleu, a 5711 with blue dial, and a 5110p). I really like all of them though, so it's tough to bounce any of them for more diversity in my collection

drhr · 18 January 2016, 05:29 AM

Gold dial platinum case CS for me . . .

MTROIS · 18 January 2016, 08:59 AM

I am in the "same boat", but still need to see a Bleu in the flesh.
CS in Pt is indeed nice, with a nice contrast between the blue hands against the white dial, but much dressier, which may be too much for my lifestyle.
As stated above, I would certainly not worry about over winding the Bleu.
Keep us posted...

jd57 · 18 January 2016, 09:37 AM

Curveball for you - CS rose gold black dial.

adamlea · 18 January 2016, 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd57

Curveball for you - CS rose gold black dial.

That's quite a curveball. Very sharp.

capote · 18 January 2016, 07:28 PM

Both look great, I love the case and lugshapes of Journe's watches. But a gold case with a guilloche dial and PR indicator is a bit nicer IMO.

Psmith · 18 January 2016, 08:53 PM

CB

KarlS · 19 January 2016, 03:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd57

Curveball for you - CS rose gold black dial.

Really nice but think out of my limited financial means

Billfav · 19 January 2016, 05:35 AM

Prefer the older dial, but I am biased....

MTROIS · 19 January 2016, 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Billfav

Prefer the older dial, but I am biased....

Simply beautiful!!

tigerpac · 19 January 2016, 11:33 AM

RG CS with the new gold dial is the culmination of Mr. Journe's vision of creating an entirely gold watch; case, movement and dial. I don't argue with the master when he does his thing.

KarlS · 19 January 2016, 05:36 PM

Oh well the RG has been sold whilst I was vacillating so this is largely academic now. However the CB got 60% of the votes!!

bzabodyn · 20 January 2016, 01:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KarlS

I have an itch for a new watch and never considered Journe (was thinking of ALS) until I saw FPJ at a dealer and just loved the idea of small numbers, fantastic movements and quirky dials. I have slimmed my watches down quite a bit and trying to have a little bit of everything:

Annual Calendar - PP 5146
World Time - PP 5130
Water and weekends - Rolex 116655
Pilot / GMT - PP 5524 delivery in Feb

I don't like chrono's and just sold my Daytona. So I was thinking along the lines of a simple dress watch love the idea of a manual wind and hence the selection of the above 2.

I have worn the Souverain Chronometre and thought it was fantastic. The hands take a while to get used to but at th end of the day its simple and does what it says on the box. But I guess a calatrava does the same and teh comfort of a well know brand.

The blea intrigues me as I love the dial. The entry point for me is about $ 3000 less than the Souverain so not much of a muchness. The absence of a power reserve worries me as I really dont want to over wind this watch. No idea how long a service will take...and with over 50 hours its not as though you can do it every day and it takes 38 winds...so that is a big detraction for me.

Any thoughts form owners and their experiences and what made them choose?

Voted with my wallet:

mps354 · 20 January 2016, 01:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bzabodyn

Voted with my wallet:

Amazing photos!

View Poll Results: Journe : Bleu v souverain (Rose Gold)
Bleu	70	64.81%
Souverain Rose Gold	38	35.19%
Voters: 108. You may not vote on this poll

17 January 2016, 04:17 PM	#1
KarlS Banned Join Date: Nov 2015 Real Name: Karl Location: Kuwait Posts: 5,228	Journe : Soverain versus Bleu I have an itch for a new watch and never considered Journe (was thinking of ALS) until I saw FPJ at a dealer and just loved the idea of small numbers, fantastic movements and quirky dials. I have slimmed my watches down quite a bit and trying to have a little bit of everything: Annual Calendar - PP 5146 World Time - PP 5130 Water and weekends - Rolex 116655 Pilot / GMT - PP 5524 delivery in Feb I don't like chrono's and just sold my Daytona. So I was thinking along the lines of a simple dress watch love the idea of a manual wind and hence the selection of the above 2. I have worn the Souverain Chronometre and thought it was fantastic. The hands take a while to get used to but at th end of the day its simple and does what it says on the box. But I guess a calatrava does the same and teh comfort of a well know brand. The blea intrigues me as I love the dial. The entry point for me is about $ 3000 less than the Souverain so not much of a muchness. The absence of a power reserve worries me as I really dont want to over wind this watch. No idea how long a service will take...and with over 50 hours its not as though you can do it every day and it takes 38 winds...so that is a big detraction for me. Any thoughts form owners and their experiences and what made them choose?

18 January 2016, 04:01 AM	#15
subtona "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: gus Location: East Coast Watch: APK & sometimes Y Posts: 26,373	Bleu __________________

18 January 2016, 08:53 PM	#23
Psmith "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Real Name: Clive Location: Exoplanet Watch: spring-driven Posts: 38,856	CB __________________

17 January 2016, 05:00 PM	#3
adamlea "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Great Plains Watch: Exp II 216570 Blk Posts: 1,190	Great poll. I'm anxious to see how this thread plays out and which one you'll choose. I haven't voted because I'm considering the same FPJ references you are. I am, however, leaning towards the CB because of both its classic simplicity and its tantalum case. If you haven't seen it, here is a great review of the CB: https://monochrome-watches.com/fp-jo...-photos-price/ As for the lack of a power reserve on the CB, I would think a 1/2 full wind every day or so would do the trick. It would just be a matter of determining the number of winds that would be. I'm sure some owners could weigh in with some tips. Great collection, btw. I've also considered a 116655 and a PP 5167, but I think the next one is going to be an FPJ.

17 January 2016, 05:53 PM	#4
KarlS Banned Join Date: Nov 2015 Real Name: Karl Location: Kuwait Posts: 5,228	Yes saw this review and half the reason why I am swaying between the two. My AD will get the CB in 3 weeks and then I guess once they are both on my wrist its crunch time!!

17 January 2016, 06:06 PM	#5
mps354 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Real Name: Mike Location: CT Posts: 9,082	I voted bleu, but I'm biased since I own one. I'm curious about your concern over winding...once it gets close to fully wound it tightens, and then stops. Aside from forcing it beyond the point where it stops, I'm not sure there's much risk in winding it daily.

17 January 2016, 08:27 PM	#7
cervantes "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Real Name: Jay Location: East and West Posts: 1,894	Prefer the newer gold dials of the souverain.

18 January 2016, 01:07 AM	#11
JJ WA "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Seattle Posts: 787	If the CS in question is the old one (pictured above), then my vote goes to the CB. If it is the new CS with gold grained dial, I'd vote CS.

18 January 2016, 01:16 AM	#12
Vipes "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Texas Posts: 4,896	I like the original CS in platinum. The white guilloche dial and the platinum case goes well together. I also like the 38mm version better since the bezel is thinner. Between your choices, I vote for the CS. Personally, I think I would get bored of the blue dial.

18 January 2016, 03:54 AM	#14
GB-man 2024 ROLEX SUBMARINER 41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: USA Watch: addiction issues Posts: 37,239	I would prefer the CB. I like the dial. That's all that matter

18 January 2016, 04:12 AM	#16
TheBluePrince "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: London Posts: 2,081	Blue.

18 January 2016, 05:29 AM	#18
drhr 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Real Name: Michael Location: Hawaii Posts: 1,219	Gold dial platinum case CS for me . . .

18 January 2016, 08:59 AM	#19
MTROIS Banned Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: USA Posts: 479	I am in the "same boat", but still need to see a Bleu in the flesh. CS in Pt is indeed nice, with a nice contrast between the blue hands against the white dial, but much dressier, which may be too much for my lifestyle. As stated above, I would certainly not worry about over winding the Bleu. Keep us posted...

18 January 2016, 07:28 PM	#22
capote "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Real Name: Daniel Location: Sweden Watch: 16570 Posts: 7,315	Both look great, I love the case and lugshapes of Journe's watches. But a gold case with a guilloche dial and PR indicator is a bit nicer IMO.

19 January 2016, 11:33 AM	#27
tigerpac "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Hoboken, NJ Posts: 667	RG CS with the new gold dial is the culmination of Mr. Journe's vision of creating an entirely gold watch; case, movement and dial. I don't argue with the master when he does his thing.

19 January 2016, 05:36 PM	#28
KarlS Banned Join Date: Nov 2015 Real Name: Karl Location: Kuwait Posts: 5,228	Oh well the RG has been sold whilst I was vacillating so this is largely academic now. However the CB got 60% of the votes!!

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