Real or Fake?

[Speeder]

Hi,

I'm new to the site and came accross it while look for information on fakes and I wondered if you could cost your expert eyes over this one?

I found it yesterday at my local pawn brokers and went back this morning to take a few photo's.

It is for sale for £3195 and the guy claims it is 18 months to 2 years old with very little use. He says is willing to go to an AD with me to confirm, however I wasn't convinced when I put in on my wrist, I am not sure why but the strap felt a little more flimsy than I had expected, having said this I've not held one before so I don't really know.

Before I go any further I thought I would ask your opinions.

Oh,I forgot to say, he has the box but no papers!

Thanks in advance

[Speeder]

a couple more photo's

[Dr S]

Hi

From memory they moved toa new box in 2005 - does it have papers?

If he is offering to go to the AD and your in the area adn want the watch - then take him up on it- looks good condtion and sounds okay price wise.

It's easy to tell close up but from images not so - the bracelts on the Roelx are not the heaviest/chunkiest - much much lighter than Omega.

Regards

[Speeder]

Hi,

thanks for your reply, no he has no papers, just the box and manuals and a wallet and a little leather holder type of thing, about the size credit card.
Oh and and the anchor etc and there is also a spare link as the last owner has 1 link taken out.

[Orchi]

Err buddy Speeder...welcome to the WatchOut forum...!

From your few pictures...the package n the 16613 2T 18K YG/SS watch look to be legit...
n very nice indeed...

Perhaps you want to post a few more pictures of the buckle n the watch...

[Speeder]

Hi,

This is the only photo I have that shows the more of the clasp.
The guy in the shop thought i was a little odd taking so many photo's but I said if everything turns out ok, I would probably buy it (if he would take £3,000 ).

[Terry Newton]

It looks like a beautiful watch and very real.

The clasp sometimes makes people stand back and say; "What?"

They have been holding up for many, many years so, don't let the seemingly flimsiness turn you off.

The newer bands and clasps are better but, the older ones hold up very well. That is a very nice looking watch and, I would take him up on his offer for the trip to the AD but, I think it is very legit by the pictures.

Terry Newton

[Speeder]

Thank you for you fast responses, it would seem I expected the bracelet to feel more solid, so I appreciate your comments.
It looks as though I may have found my dream watch at a good price then

Is it normal/common to find genuine watches with no papers?

[Orchi]

Buddy Speeder...the watch looks to be it was seldom taken out of
the box n put on a wrist...as new conditions as it looks to be too.

Would you know the serial nos. prefix of this watch...?
Is it Y...or D...or Z?

[Speeder]

I did ask about seeing the serial number but the guy in the pawn broker's wasn't the the boss and he wasn't prepared to take off the braclet for me to see, however he did say that if we went to an AD they would varify the serial number.
He said he thought it was around 18 months or 2 years old and said it has seen very little wear.

[stevemulholland3]

very nice watch,I am not sure that 6 thousand is such a good price unless it is from 06 or 07,but from the box it would appear it was from 04 or before(cant remember what year they started putting the clasp with the gold thru on it),so it will need a sevice as well.
but it certainly looks real.
good luck,
steve

[Orchi]

Err buddy Speeder...buddy Steve is right...that was the reason why Orchi
asked about the serial prefix...to begin with.

IF it were 1 or 2 years old...it could be D or Z...i.e. 2005/2006.
Prices of such Rolex watches have come down by quite a bit...
depending on its conditions...

It is therefore wiser to check around for price comparison...

[3starion]

It looks fake to me, please see detail of the pic.
if I were wrong, please ignore it

[Speeder]

Are you saying that you think the watch is fake or the braclet or both?

[3starion]

the bracelet certainly, I can't justify the watch.
if you're still interested with that watch, you better go to AD and they will surely help you to decide wether it's a fake or not

[Orchi]

Err buddy Speeder...for now no need to worry about the bracelet n its SEL(solid end links) as yet...
as Orchi believes the picture of the SEL is a bit blur to begin with...so not easy to make good comparison

It's more important to see if it's a better deal or not to begin with...

Then when the price is right...you can get ascertain the serial nos...n if the pawn shop is willing to let an AD to verify the watch...by all means bring the watch to the AD for verification...

Oh btw...do remember to take down these Ref# of the bracelet n SEL as well...

Bracelet Ref#s should be "93253" with "701" SEL...as per the attached pictures here..."93252" should be stamped on the clasps...n also do remember that in the buckle...there should be the Diver extension links as well...

Good luck buddy!

[springer]

If that band is fake, or the watch, I'd say we're all in trouble along with Rolex. The band appears to have been polished some in the area noted by 3starion's photos. The band appears genuine, along with the correct vintage box which was used from around 2000 thru 2005.

As far as not having papers, that is quite common as many resellers do not include outdated warranty papers with preowned Rolexes. This is because the warranty has expired and usually has the previous owner's personal information on it. Usually, most resellers include their own warranty with the watch.

The only issue with the watch that I see is the price. If it were being sold in the USA, the price seems a little high, as they can be found here from $5000 to $5500.

[jeff hess]

Couple of comments....
1) When buying Rolex, either know what you are talking about or know who you are buying from. Use a credit card when possible so you have recourse. Get a guarantee in writing and note the seriail number on the reciept/gurantee.

2) in the UK, they have all kinds of pricing problems we do not have. It is difficult to compare prices with usa prices with currency fluctuations and that pesky 17.5 percent Value Added Tax (VAT) that the Brits have to pay. I have seen times when an American could go to the UK when the pound is weak, buy a brand new watch for 15 to 20 % less price AND get the VAT back!

Jeff (IF that watch is fake, it would be truly scary. Cuz it looks terrific!)