Local AD not shipping watch?

[ocN55]

Hi all,

Was hoping to get some opinions on this.

I've been in the market for one of the hotter sport watches little over a month now. I called one a local AD who happened to have one that wasn't spoken for yet.

I agreed over the phone that I would come in tomorrow to purchase the watch. However, I later asked if the watch could be shipped out of state and got an immediate no.

Is it no longer allowed for AD's to send watches out of state, even when the purchase was done in store?
Or is this associate telling me no because he think's he's doing me a favor by selling me this watch? (which I guess you can argue that he is doing me a favor)

[doboy007]

Originally Posted by ocN55

Hi all,

Was hoping to get some opinions on this.

I've been in the market for one of the hotter sport watches little over a month now. I called one a local AD who happened to have one that wasn't spoken for yet.

I agreed over the phone that I would come in tomorrow to purchase the watch. However, I later asked if the watch could be shipped out of state and got an immediate no.

Is it no longer allowed for AD's to send watches out of state, even when the purchase was done in store?
Or is this associate telling me no because he think's he's doing me a favor by selling me this watch? (which I guess you can argue that he is doing me a favor)

Must be store specific policy, not global one. ADs ship them all the time, including one I got last week.

[yxc145]

Got my Sky-D shipped to me last week.
That dealer sucks. You should try asking him if he would ship a PM Day Date out of state for you, I bet he will change his mind.

[ArtNouveau]

It would be solely individual dealer policy. If it’s a “hot model” and it’s in hand I wouldn’t hesitate to pay the tax and run with it.
I called my local dealer on November 30 and my longtime salesman friend there told me they had a BLNR I could have. I gladly went down and paid MSRP for it. They offered to mail it to my sister out of state but I was too impatient so I paid the $738 tax and wore it home. YMMV.

[schoolboy]

Maybe he thought you were buying it just to flip it?

(Which may or may not be his business lol)

[ocN55]

Thanks for all the responses everyone!

For what it's worth, the watch is a BLNR. Not crazy but not exactly easy to find either... I've only ever seen it at an AD in Taiwan that wanted a $600USD markup.

[schoolboy]

I see.

That’s tough.

Good luck!

[doboy007]

Originally Posted by ocN55

Thanks for all the responses everyone!

For what it's worth, the watch is a BLNR. Not crazy but not exactly easy to find either... I've only ever seen it at an AD in Taiwan that wanted a $600USD markup.

Maybe they thought you wanted them to pay for shipping/insurance?

[Spartan1]

It is not entirely uncommon for an AD to refrain from shipping out of state. They have their concerns, as you might suspect.....audits, greys, potential shipping issues, etc. Peace of mind in F2F transactions!

[ocN55]

Originally Posted by doboy007

Maybe they thought you wanted them to pay for shipping/insurance?

Possibly, I'll clarify myself tomorrow and ask once more in person to show that I'm serious about wearing the watch for myself.

[GB-man]

Be polite and explain you’d be happy to remove all the stickers and size it beforehand. Afterall, 800 dollars in your pocket that’s straight back into the watch war chest

[Chute]

If you want the watch, just buy it, pay the tax, have it sized then wear it out of the store.

[masterdinh]

That dealer sucks.


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[JM0127]

I was in Mayors in Atlanta to buy a sport model and have it shipped home to avoid the taxes. They said, and I quote "Rolex does not allow the sport models to be shipped any longer". I called BS and made a call to another AD and was told the same thing. They can ship anything else you want in the inventory, just cannot ship the sport models. WTF ROLEX?

[doboy007]

Originally Posted by JM0127

I was in Mayors in Atlanta to buy a sport model and have it shipped home to avoid the taxes. They said, and I quote "Rolex does not allow the sport models to be shipped any longer". I called BS and made a call to another AD and was told the same thing. They can ship anything else you want in the inventory, just cannot ship the sport models. WTF ROLEX?

That’s BS. I just had Hulk shipped to CA from Tesorini in Las Vegas last week.

[JM0127]

Originally Posted by doboy007

That’s BS. I just had Hulk shipped to CA from Tesorini in Las Vegas last week.

I agree.

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[Net-man]

As a matter of principle they are doing the right thing, are you out of state resident? If not then it is cheating the system. As a resident of the state you should pay the tax I am sure you do get some benefits for the great state you live in.


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[Net-man]

Originally Posted by JM0127

I agree.

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If you are CA resident and got the watch shipped then that is correct as you established state residency. Technically you owe state the tax on your purchase but that is not the matter here.


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[Net-man]

Originally Posted by JM0127

I agree.

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If you are CA resident and got the watch shipped then that is correct as you established state residency. Technically you owe state the tax on your purchase but that is not the matter here.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.was...042_story.html


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[JM0127]

Originally Posted by Net-man

As a matter of principle they are doing the right thing, are you out of state resident? If not then it is cheating the system. As a resident of the state you should pay the tax I am sure you do get some benefits for the great state you live in.


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I'm not a resident of Georgia. I happened to walk in, as I often do while on the road different places, and they had a 2 allocated pieces in the case. A 326934 and a 126600 I wanted both and everything was done and agreed to. I asked to ship them as I'm not interested in carrying them around for the next 10 days on the road. I was told they couldn't be shipped and why. I walked away. Same principle when I buy a Birkin for my wife, I have it sent. I don't travel with it. Let them be responsible for getting it to your door safely and securely.

In addition to your above statement, if they're doing the right thing, how come they'll ship anything you want out of state OTHER than the sport models. Your case doesn't seem to hold water there. I get what your saying. However, Rolex isn't in the tax business. They're in the charity business. They could care less about who pays sales tax in a state or doesn't. Not their baby, not their problem. Let me be clear, I'm not doing this for evasion of tax or whatever. I'm doing this as a way of making my day easier. They wouldn't even ship it if I paid the tax. The tax is irelvant.
Besides, Rolex would be one to talk about paying taxes. The plain fact of the matter is Rolex is actually a series of companies headed up by Rolex S.A. And in fact, just to further complicate things, some of those companies own portions of each other. But basically they all funnel into Rolex S.A., which in turn, is wholly owned by the Hans Wilsdorf Foundation. That foundation is recognized by the Swiss government as a charitable trust, and thus, pays no taxes.

But it's about paying taxes, right?

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[JM0127]

Originally Posted by Net-man

If you are CA resident and got the watch shipped then that is correct as you established state residency. Technically you owe state the tax on your purchase but that is not the matter here.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.was...042_story.html


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That has to do with online sales. Doesn't it?

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[Net-man]

Dear JM0127 No need to get offended and my post was not targeted to any specific individual. If you don't establish out of state residency and ask for shipping to save taxes that is plain wrong, you still owe tax to your state.

A store/business not selling you goods even if you are not the state resident is strange, it is their policy what can I say about it. Take you business and give to friendly people.

I am not a lawyer but I think the case in front of supreme court will decide for all, Internet and brick and mortar.

[JM0127]

Originally Posted by Net-man

Dear JM0127 No need to get offended and my post was not targeted to any specific individual. If you don't establish out of state residency and ask for shipping to save taxes that is plain wrong, you still owe tax to your state.

A store/business not selling you goods even if you are not the state resident is strange, it is their policy what can I say about it. Take you business and give to friendly people.

I am not a lawyer but I think the case in front of supreme court will decide for all, Internet and brick and mortar.

I agree that point. I however am not going to volunteer 200k plus a year in unsolicited funds (taxes) from out of state items shipped in. If there are no rules or avenues for collection or records, I'm in no way going to voluntarily mail a check to my STC. No one would. That's crazy. Rules are rules. If there is one in place, I'll follow, no question.

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[Net-man]

Originally Posted by JM0127

I agree that point. I however am not going to volunteer 200k plus a year in unsolicited funds (taxes) from out of state items shipped in. If there are no rules or avenues for collection or records, I'm in no way going to voluntarily mail a check to my STC. No one would. That's crazy. Rules are rules. If there is one in place, I'll follow, no question.

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Each state has its owns rules, in the great state of CA you owe taxes on out of state purchases. States having ways to check or come after you is a different question.

[maximus1]

They are probably being careful. If you can provide an out of State residence, current law allows for interstate commerce and there should be no problem. If you are asking them to ship out of State to avoid the sales tax, that would be a different story.

[Andad]

[QUOTE=JM0127;8214947]I'm not a resident of Georgia. I happened to walk in, as I often do while on the road different places, and they had a 2 allocated pieces in the case. A 326934 and a 126600 I wanted both and everything was done and agreed to. I asked to ship them as I'm not interested in carrying them around for the next 10 days on the road. I was told they couldn't be shipped and why. I walked away. Same principle when I buy a Birkin for my wife, I have it sent. I don't travel with it. Let them be responsible for getting it to your door safely and securely.

In addition to your above statement, if they're doing the right thing, how come they'll ship anything you want out of state OTHER than the sport models. Your case doesn't seem to hold water there. I get what your saying. However, Rolex isn't in the tax business. They're in the charity business. They could care less about who pays sales tax in a state or doesn't. Not their baby, not their problem. Let me be clear, I'm not doing this for evasion of tax or whatever. I'm doing this as a way of making my day easier. They wouldn't even ship it if I paid the tax. The tax is irelvant.
Besides, Rolex would be one to talk about paying taxes. The plain fact of the matter is Rolex is actually a series of companies headed up by Rolex S.A. And in fact, just to further complicate things, some of those companies own portions of each other. But basically they all funnel into Rolex S.A., which in turn, is wholly owned by the Hans Wilsdorf Foundation. That foundation is recognized by the Swiss government as a charitable trust, and thus, pays no taxes.

But it's about paying taxes, right?

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[doboy007]

Originally Posted by maximus1

They are probably being careful. If you can provide an out of State residence, current law allows for interstate commerce and there should be no problem. If you are asking them to ship out of State to avoid the sales tax, that would be a different story.

You could be buying as a gift to someone out of state ;)

[cmac]

AD had no issues shipping mine, however all stickers had to be removed from the watch, told me it was Rolex policy

[Any4xx]

I’ve been in three different AD’s recently who all had different policies. One would ship only to states that did not have their own AD. One would ship if I provided proof of residency for the state I wanted them to ship to. The third said they’d ship anywhere I wanted.

[Chiboy]

Originally Posted by JM0127

I agree that point. I however am not going to volunteer 200k plus a year in unsolicited funds (taxes) from out of state items shipped in.

Wow, the annual sales tax on out of state purchases is $200k? That implies $2 million/year of purchases if you are in a super high sales tax area (say, Chicago at ~10%) or perhaps double that in a lower sales tax area.

As Ali G would say, "Respect!"