Tudor In-house movement v ETA

[Swiss Mad!]

Just something that's been puzzling me for a while.

Can any one explain why the first generation Tudor Black Bay's with the 'smiley face' text & modified ETA movement are considered more desirable than the latest version that has the in house movement?

Surely under normal circumstances an in-house movement would be considered preferable to a modified ETA ?

Does this mean that the watch community generally concider the Tudor in-house to be some way inferior to the ETA or is it just a 'first generation' thing that makes them more desirable and therefore more expensive on the secondary market?

Thanks in advance...



Sent from my Moto G (5) using Tapatalk

[GradyPhilpott]

There will be fewer ETA movement specimens than in-house movement ones as time goes by.

And here we are discussing investments again.

[Flybak]

I think it's less the movement quality of ETA vs. in-house, though that ETA movement is a proven workhorse. I believe it's probably more the Tudor rose logo on the dial that is on the ETA movement versions. Just my thoughts.

...But to Grady's point, the issue of supply applies as there won't be any more of those going forward either.

[TudorTuesday]

While it's true that some think the value will be higher due to rarity (meh), I think the reasons many prefer the eta version comes down to fact that it's thinner than the in-house version, and the dial design uses the Tudor rose and "smiley" text, for a more vintage look.

The in-house movement is certainly more modern, with a much longer power reserve (70 hours), silicon balance spring and free-sprung balance... But there is nothing wrong with the eta! Parts will always be available, and any reasonable watchmaker is likely quite familiar with eta service and repair.

Quite different watches, really, and each version has merits and drawbacks. That said, I think the eta version of the black bay has fewer drawbacks overall. The in-house caliber requires specialized maintenance from Tudor, and mandates a thicker overall case. Neither is a deal-breaker, but comparitively they make the later watches a little less compelling to many.

[Nikrnic]

The ahstetics of the eta versions are more desired as well as the wearability due to its thinner and lighter case, also the bracelet is cleaner without the faux rivets.
If there is a problem with the movement the eta is more easily and less costly to repair.

Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk

[Txkill]

The production run for the rose was for like 6 months or so, so fewer of them were made.

[Likestheshiny]

The ETA movement was modified with better parts and regulated to really excellent accuracy. So, mostly all that's being gained with the in-house movement is a longer power reserve. On the other hand, the in-house version is also 2mm thicker and more expensive to repair and service. For some folks, a thinner or more easily serviced watch beats a longer power reserve. And the aesthetic differences are a matter of taste, so some people will naturally prefer one or the other -- and with a finite supply, every new buyer who prefers the original makes it harder to get one.

But, no, the original definitely isn't universally preferred. Plenty of folks prefer it. But lots of people also prefer the original.

[Chewbacca]

forget the future value component for a minute...

Thing is.

Tudor has always had some Valjoux and ETA association so in my opinion, it doesn’t hurt the brand or watch. If anything, the outhouse movement is more keeping with the Tudor ethos than in-house.

But that’s just me.

[Stevec14]

I suspect it’s the short run and the slightly thinner case which attracts the love.

[Swiss Mad!]

Cheers guys - all the above replies pretty much explain it and it all kinda makes sense now





Sent from my Moto G (5) using Tapatalk

[Old Expat Beast]

Also, the ETA 2824 has been developed and fine tuned over about 50 years, the in-house in comparatively untested, and performance-wise (aside from PR) there's little to choose between them once they're regulated.

[uncleluck]

I chose an eta Pelagos over in house.

Couple of reasons. One being the aesthetics, the eta has a much nicer dial (in house has war and peace on the dial) and the other being the fact that eta can be serviced by any independent in the future without fear of part restrictions or over inflated costs.

ETA is great quality anyway and having owned and serviced many they’re a solid movement.

[Fard]

I would buy a Rolex instead of a Tudor...

[Andad]

Did I read somewhere that if there were problems with the in house movements Tudor were replacing them instead of repairing them?

[Andad]

Originally Posted by Fard

I would buy a Rolex instead of a Tudor...

Wrong thread?

[JayB]

Originally Posted by Fard

I would buy a Rolex instead of a Tudor...

There always has to be one every time Tudor is discussed

[rudestew]

I sold my In house pelagos and stuck with the eta version just because of the service costs and times as it is real user

[minute_man]

Originally Posted by directioneng

Did I read somewhere that if there were problems with the in house movements Tudor were replacing them instead of repairing them?

Here

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthre...ht=Inferior%3F

Unsubstantiated

[Hamstur]

Had an in-house and the bulbous case back wouldn't settle comfortably on my wrist, so it just sort of kept flopping around. My wife nicknamed it the "Tourettes Watch" cause it would get stuck and I would have to flick my wrist, apparently too often. Also grew to feel the rivet bracelet is just ugly with its blocky, step down design vs old oyster style.

[padi56]

Originally Posted by Chewbacca

forget the future value component for a minute...

Thing is.

Tudor has always had some Valjoux and ETA association so in my opinion, it doesn’t hurt the brand or watch. If anything, the outhouse movement is more keeping with the Tudor ethos than in-house.

But that’s just me.

So did Rolex.

[unknown]

Why ETA and not in-house,,

Probably same reason as why the non in-house Daytona 16520 (Zenith el primers) is more sought after and more expensive than the Daytona 116520 and in the future the 116500 too

[unknown]

Originally Posted by Fard

I would buy a Rolex instead of a Tudor...

Sorry can’t afford a real Rolex
Lol

[samson66]

Comes down to the case being thinner and the rose. Of course people always want something when they stop producing it. Love my BB ETA but it doesn't keep nearly as good time as my Rolexes. Runs about 15 sec fast per day.

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge using Tapatalk

[Old Expat Beast]

Originally Posted by samson66

Comes down to the case being thinner and the rose. Of course people always want something when they stop producing it. Love my BB ETA but it doesn't keep nearly as good time as my Rolexes. Runs about 15 sec fast per day.

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge using Tapatalk

Just get it regulated for free at the RSC. I did (out of warranty, no charge) and it came back running better than any of my Rolexes.

[samson66]

Originally Posted by Old Expat Beast

Just get it regulated for free at the RSC. I did (out of warranty, no charge) and it came back running better than any of my Rolexes.

Really? They did it for free? Did you mail it to them or take it in-person?

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge using Tapatalk

[Old Expat Beast]

Originally Posted by samson66

Really? They did it for free? Did you mail it to them or take it in-person?

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge using Tapatalk

I took it in, it's quite nearby.

[~JJ]

There was a BB eta evangelist that was trying to pump the market for months. Over time the market didn't change and the beat of his drum has subsided, a bit.

[Old Expat Beast]

Originally Posted by ~JJ

There was a BB eta evangelist that was trying to pump the market for months. Over time the market didn't change and the beat of his drum has subsided, a bit.

Mr 3,000? He moved on to the Explorer short hand when he bought one, then when that thread got shut for blatant shilling he moved on to the Speedmaster Tin Tin, a.k.a the next Paul Newman Daytona.

[rolexinfl]

I love the Tudor in-house movement and its advances over the ETA. The accuracy and power reserve are phenomenal.

I sold my ETA BB for an in house BB SS and never looked back. You really dont notice the 'thicker' case at all, thats nonsense.

[Ballzzz]

Originally Posted by ~JJ

There was a BB eta evangelist that was trying to pump the market for months. Over time the market didn't change and the beat of his drum has subsided, a bit.

Lol I own one and the two or three pumpers were annoying.

I love mine btw, great watch. I’m on strap btw.