Would you buy Rolex even if...

[42itus]

Couple fictitious scenarios that I've always been curious about. Some of this has been discussed before, but would love to hear everyone's opinion.

If every single reference was available at most ADs, would your collection still be the same? I assume the answer for most people is yes, because most of us acquire what they are attracted to and not because of the hype.

If hard to get SS models were available grey at 20% less would your collection still be the same? I own a few Omega pieces that I lost value on as soon as I left the OB, but I am not the type to try things on in person and then purchase online. But regardless of online vs. AD, I'm wondering if a model like the Daytona would still be in such high demand if you could get one at any AD or at Jomashop for $8000.

For me personally, if every reference were available, regardless of resale value, I would be broke because I would own much more because when I try watches on I fall pretty quickly.

[dan993]

I would personally not purchase any SS Daytona only interested in the White Gold on Oysterflex. Don't do PCLs on Oyster either so there goes the Batman.

[ap1]

Blro please

[Sublovin]

Some are likely not going to give honest answers, or simply don’t realize that they are attracted to the “buzz”. Just look at Panerai right now and what happened with them. Many people are attracted to the fact that they have something that others can’t have, and if that were to go away, many of them would as well.
A lot of the people who used to covet Panerai are now into vintage Rolex and laugh at people who wear big watches, even though they once were lining up to put a 47mm watch on.
These people can usually be identified by those who have all the new hot models and just came on the scene.

[Zakalwe]

If you ask a hot woman what the reason is that she married a fat, ugly millionaire, would you trust her answer?

Personally I buy watches that I like but I absolutely cannot exclude the possibility that hype might have (subconsciously) influenced my choices. I will also admit that the thrill of picking up watches that took time and effort to obtain significantly outweighs the thrill of picking up ones that could be had immediately.

[42itus]

Originally Posted by Sublovin

Some are likely not going to give honest answers, or simply don’t realize that they are attracted to the “buzz”. Just look at Panerai right now and what happened with them. Many people are attracted to the fact that they have something that others can’t have, and if that were to go away, many of them would as well.
A lot of the people who used to covet Panerai are now into vintage Rolex and laugh at people who wear big watches, even though they once were lining up to put a 47mm watch on.
These people can usually be identified by those who have all the new hot models and just came on the scene.

The reason I brought this up is because I am pretty sure I would purchase a BLRO if I were offered one. But I'm not even sure that I want one because I love my LN and I have a 16710 so a BLRO would probably overlap both pieces that I own. So to answer my own question, 126710BLRO is a reference that I probably would purchase today if offered one, but would probably not purchase if it were available everywhere.

I know it might sound a little convoluted and there's definitely an element of flipping and/or FOMO in the train of thought. But it's a dilemma I won't even have to face because it's not even on my wish list with my AD.

[42itus]

Originally Posted by Zakalwe

If you ask a hot woman what the reason is that she married a fat, ugly millionaire, would you trust her answer?

Personally I buy watches that I like but I absolutely cannot exclude the possibility that hype might have (subconsciously) influenced my choices. I will also admit that the thrill of picking up watches that took time and effort to obtain significantly outweighs the thrill of picking up ones that could be had immediately.

Very good comparison. Paints a clear (and rather disturbing) picture.

[Chope Man]

When I bought two Rolex brand new (ok, one offered by m, it was at a time when they were all available...

I chose what I wanted (considering the budget).

As for pre-owned, I also bought what I wanted with no consideration of a possible future value or what claimed a high demand.

Well, not totally true: last time I bought a watch, I privileged a full set, just in case I would one day have to resell.

[Rolex addict]

All of the hot, hard to get watches (except the 116500) were readily available and sitting in most AD showcases. Many people only want them because they can't have them. Basic psychology.

[oldman2005]

That was how I got my Rolex back in the days when you could just walk in most if not all ADs and get your Sub or Pepsi on the spot and that was the normal. Now thing has changed you basically can't get any SS sport.

[shaunylw]

If I had every current model in the case and I had to buy one to wear, not sell, it's only the Daytona for me. Maybe the BLRO if it was on Oyster but I have little to no interest in Jubilee.

[Gotgolf52]

I know for sure I want Daytona and I got both at AD. I was buy into the hype with BLNR but given options between BLRO vs BLNR, I like the black/blue better than red/blue and jubilee. However, if they offer me the BLRO and I am able to try it on in flesh I might change my opinions. I have NEVER seen one in person yet. As for the rest of the line up, I am still debating between DJ41 or save up for DD40. Other than that, I might buy hot items and try it on for couple weeks, it is comforting to know if I don’t like it, I can flip it for profit.
I’ve seen a lot of people bitching about flipping but the outside world are a lot more crowded than this forum. If I don’t do it, many people out there will.

[173rdabn]

Buy, wear, enjoy. Not interested in the hot item of the moment. Don't give a damn about resale value. Just my thoughts.

[ElJefe302]

I would probably add a stainless steel Daytona to my collection but other than that the watches I want like the precious metal ones I cannot justify at this point in my life haha

[jsausley]

In all honesty, if they weren't hard to find I wouldn't have bought either of mine.

Why?

Well I'll explain. I would have still been interested in Rolex, of course, because I love watches. But what made me take the leap and purchase one was the value retention perspective. There is no other watch you can buy that will be worth the same percentage of your initial outlay down the line. I DID NOT buy either of my watches to resell, or buy them as investments, but the security in knowing that I won't LOSE all of their value like I would a similarly priced JLC, Zenith, Omega or Blancpain, is what made me choose Rolex over all of those other brands.

And as we all know, if these watches were available in every single Rolex AD, they wouldn't have as much value retention.

And personally, and I mean NO offense by this:

Originally Posted by 173rdabn

Buy, wear, enjoy. Not interested in the hot item of the moment. Don't give a damn about resale value. Just my thoughts.

But people who say this, I think are only saying it because they currently own that item and they can't put themselves into the mindset that they would have if these watches were worth 50% of the price. If a Submariner traded for $4,000 secondhand despite having a $7,000 MSRP, like a TAG Heuer or Omega, would you have bought it? If you truly don't care about resale value, why didn't you buy a Zenith El Primero Striking Tenth instead of a Daytona, or a JLC Perpetual Calendar instead of a Rolex Daydate, or a Planet Ocean 600M instead of a Submariner? By every quantifiable definition each of those watches are inherently better (more complicated, more technical, more robust/water-resistant)? I believe it was because of value. The Rolex is just *a better value.*

[Devildog]

I suspect for many it would be different, as there would be no impulse buying.

There would also be less mistakes when purchasing as every reference would be available to try on.

However, if we accept a supply constant, there would be less demand and our watches would be no more or less exclusive

For many of us, therefore, it would make no difference other than ease of purchase of what we wanted


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[Devildog]

I suspect for many it would be different, as there would be no impulse buying.

There would also be less mistakes when purchasing as every reference would be available to try on.

However, if we accept a supply constant, there would be less demand and our watches would be no more or less exclusive

For many of us, therefore, it would make no difference other than ease of purchase of what we really wanted


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[joli160]

I own what I want, not interested in the hypes

[42itus]

Originally Posted by jsausley

In all honesty, if they weren't hard to find I wouldn't have bought either of mine.

Why?

Well I'll explain. I would have still been interested in Rolex, of course, because I love watches. But what made me take the leap and purchase one was the value retention perspective. There is no other watch you can buy that will be worth the same percentage of your initial outlay down the line. I DID NOT buy either of my watches to resell, or buy them as investments, but the security in knowing that I won't LOSE all of their value like I would a similarly priced JLC, Zenith, Omega or Blancpain, is what made me choose Rolex over all of those other brands.

And as we all know, if these watches were available in every single Rolex AD, they wouldn't have as much value retention.

And personally, and I mean NO offense by this:



But people who say this, I think are only saying it because they currently own that item and they can't put themselves into the mindset that they would have if these watches were worth 50% of the price. If a Submariner traded for $4,000 secondhand despite having a $7,000 MSRP, like a TAG Heuer or Omega, would you have bought it? If you truly don't care about resale value, why didn't you buy a Zenith El Primero Striking Tenth instead of a Daytona, or a JLC Perpetual Calendar instead of a Rolex Daydate, or a Planet Ocean 600M instead of a Submariner? By every quantifiable definition each of those watches are inherently better (more complicated, more technical, more robust/water-resistant)? I believe it was because of value. The Rolex is just *a better value.*

Very good points. I will be the first to admit that I don't know much about movements, and which is the "better" watch. I just buy the ones that match me.

Yeah, I have a couple of Omegas and a Hublot that I purchased knowing full well that I would lose a couple thousand in value the second I walked out the door. Personally, I think it's pretty remarkable how Rolex has been able to balance supply and demand and have their pieces hold value over the years. Me personally, I wish their availability were more like Omega, but that's not who they are and I get it.

[R!$]

I would sell all my SS before prices drop and only keep PM

SS feels flimsy after wearing PM

[Brny11]

Originally Posted by Zakalwe

If you ask a hot woman what the reason is that she married a fat, ugly millionaire, would you trust her answer?

Lol!


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[edyu]

I don’t and never will buy above msrp. I’d rather pay double for PM from AD.


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[Brny11]

Originally Posted by jsausley

But people who say this, I think are only saying it because they currently own that item and they can't put themselves into the mindset that they would have if these watches were worth 50% of the price. If a Submariner traded for $4,000 secondhand despite having a $7,000 MSRP, like a TAG Heuer or Omega, would you have bought it? If you truly don't care about resale value, why didn't you buy a Zenith El Primero Striking Tenth instead of a Daytona, or a JLC Perpetual Calendar instead of a Rolex Daydate, or a Planet Ocean 600M instead of a Submariner? By every quantifiable definition each of those watches are inherently better (more complicated, more technical, more robust/water-resistant)? I believe it was because of value. The Rolex is just *a better value.*

Can you copy paste this on EVERY thread please? It frustrates me when people talk about resale and future value like it’s not relevant, and we are bad people for not agreeing. I get that it’s not to some, but that doesn’t mean they need to impose their view points so adamantly on the rest of us(who I’d assume are the majority).



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