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DocOc · 11 January 2021, 08:37 AM

About fifteen years ago I owned a Seamaster professional (ie the “Bond watch”). I sold it and purchased myself a Rolex. Just today I looked into purchasing another Seamaster and found that the only improvement they’ve made to it was the addition of the coaxial escapement and hour markers housed in gold.

The crown is still too small for the watch, and the helium escape valve now looks like a miniature upside down cake. What was wrong with the old shape, and what possessed them to choose this one? And what was wrong with the original hour hand?

The biggest blunder is moving the date window to the 6:00 position. This is not ‘standard’ placement for diving chronometers. It’s something you’re more likely to find on a dress watch.

I’m sure it’s a fine watch as it always has been, but Omega really made some unsavory changes to it.

And for what? Why couldn’t they at least keep the original Bond watch? It was a classic.

MTdweller · 11 January 2021, 08:50 AM

They are catering to a new generation of Seamaster fans - people like me. The old Seamaster never did anything for me, although iconic. I love the updates!

vh2k · 11 January 2021, 08:51 AM

Fair opinion. That being said, the Diver 300M with the laser-etched wave dial is very attractive — in every color — and has been met with overwhelmingly positive response.

Maxy · 11 January 2021, 08:56 AM

Man, someone coming back after 15 years at Omega SM and blasting it for being similar!

On other hand, what's your thoughts on Kermit released in 2003 and Cermit released in 2020?

AEC · 11 January 2021, 08:56 AM

Sorry to hear of your disappointment. You can still find a really nice used 2531.80 to purchase (the original reference considered to be the Bond watch). Most members here love the current version, and I imagine there will be plenty of replies accordingly.

vintagewaferthin · 11 January 2021, 09:15 AM

Personally, I wish they would bring back the 36mm midsize version. The white in 36mm would look perfect(to me at least lol).

watchmavan · 11 January 2021, 09:17 AM

You don't have to like it at all. But imo this is a magnificent watch that far exceeds the older incarnations.

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djona · 11 January 2021, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by watchmavan

You don't have to like it at all. But imo this is a magnificent watch that far exceeds the older incarnations.

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Agreed.

greengold · 11 January 2021, 09:38 AM

the new smp p*sses all over the old ones and even the submariner technically (apart from bracelet)

Tools · 11 January 2021, 09:43 AM

Seamasters haven't been the same since they put those terrible looking skeleton hands on them.

Patton250 · 11 January 2021, 09:48 AM

I love mine. I have the black one. I think these new ones are much better looking than the old ones of which I did own one. Plus the movement is far superior but the OP did mention that.

FTX I · 11 January 2021, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Tools

Seamasters haven't been the same since they put those terrible looking skeleton hands on them.

The sword hands look much better to me as well.

OrangeKenny · 11 January 2021, 10:33 AM

To each their own.

Go buy the older version, there are plenty around.

JakeK · 11 January 2021, 11:03 AM

I've been wearing my 2220.80 almost every day for the past 12 years. Love this watch and i have zero desire to upgrade.

ViperWatches · 11 January 2021, 11:11 AM

I agree.

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DocOc · 11 January 2021, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by JakeK

I've been wearing my 2220.80 almost every day for the past 12 years. Love this watch and i have zero desire to upgrade.

I preferred it when the word “Seamaster” was written in white. It was more clear, more legible, and more attractive as white cursive text. There was absolutely no reason to make it red. Omega’s first itch to screw around with what was a gorgeous watch.

The only changes I’d have made to the watch would have been to make the crown larger. The hour markers housed in metal looks fine too.

Nikrnic · 11 January 2021, 12:01 PM

I have to agree. I was real close to making a good deal at the Omega AD but just couldn't pull the trigger, also not a fan of the deep wave dial. Its still a nice piece and I'm sure I would have been happy had I not known of the original Bond version so with a little patience I kept looking until the right one for me came along from 2006.

2531.80

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ddaly12 · 11 January 2021, 12:03 PM

Hate this watch! Kidding! I find it hard to wear anything else... definitely different than the older models. I’m digging the changes.

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bonovox · 11 January 2021, 12:22 PM

Sounds like it's not for you. Stick with what you like.

JohnGingerwood · 11 January 2021, 12:53 PM

Fair opinion. You are probably in the minority here though.

onefishtaco · 11 January 2021, 01:05 PM

I'm not a fan of the skeleton hands, date placement, or HE valve. Besides that, for the price (especially used) I think they offer excellent value.

Soarer · 11 January 2021, 01:06 PM

This is a funny thread title. The Seamaster Pro series is mighty fine series. I have the older Bond 2220.80 and 2254.50 and will never part with them. Omega enhanced the whole line-up and came up with the new series and I think they did a bang-up job with that. Whichever series work for you, go with that. There’s no need to talk ill.

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mikea · 11 January 2021, 01:31 PM

I had a 2254.50 for years and loved the watch and at times still regret selling. With that being said I love just about everything about the new iterations

Jack T · 11 January 2021, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by watchmavan

You don't have to like it at all. But imo this is a magnificent watch that far exceeds the older incarnations.

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Yes sir, that is a beauty !!

watchmavan · 11 January 2021, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Soarer

This is a funny thread title. The Seamaster Pro series is mighty fine series. I have the older Bond 2220.80 and 2254.50 and will never part with them. Omega enhanced the whole line-up and came up with the new series and I think they did a bang-up job with that. Whichever series work for you, go with that. There’s no need to talk ill.

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Agreed. 15 posts and already dedicated to trashing what he doesn't like. Some would say troll.

Edit. On looking at history, yes troll I smell Roli fan boy with an oversized Sub.

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EEpro · 11 January 2021, 01:48 PM

I have the 2054 and the new 300m diver. I keep the 2054 for the memories and because $2K isn't worth dealing with selling but the new one is better in nearly every way.

NoVaSubowner · 11 January 2021, 02:04 PM

The new watch is just a lot nicer than the old one in so many ways. It’s gone from feeling like a watch that hardly justified it’s price tag to a watch that is undervalued based on what it offers compared to the competition.
I love mine. Would I prefer a slightly smaller case yes? But overall it’s one of the best sport watches for the $$ out there.

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DCheeta · 11 January 2021, 07:05 PM

Okay. Don’t buy one.

efthi · 11 January 2021, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by watchmavan

You don't have to like it at all. But imo this is a magnificent watch that far exceeds the older incarnations.

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100% agree! Nice pic by the way

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Mac-427 · 11 January 2021, 09:37 PM

I've had the old and now have the new. My old generation was a great watch but my new generation 300M is magnificent and I wear it 24/7.

11 January 2021, 08:37 AM	#1
DocOc Banned Join Date: Jan 2021 Location: New York Posts: 58	Seamaster Pro - they’ve ruined it. About fifteen years ago I owned a Seamaster professional (ie the “Bond watch”). I sold it and purchased myself a Rolex. Just today I looked into purchasing another Seamaster and found that the only improvement they’ve made to it was the addition of the coaxial escapement and hour markers housed in gold. The crown is still too small for the watch, and the helium escape valve now looks like a miniature upside down cake. What was wrong with the old shape, and what possessed them to choose this one? And what was wrong with the original hour hand? The biggest blunder is moving the date window to the 6:00 position. This is not ‘standard’ placement for diving chronometers. It’s something you’re more likely to find on a dress watch. I’m sure it’s a fine watch as it always has been, but Omega really made some unsavory changes to it. And for what? Why couldn’t they at least keep the original Bond watch? It was a classic.

11 January 2021, 09:43 AM	#10
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 SUBMARINER Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,440	Seamasters haven't been the same since they put those terrible looking skeleton hands on them. __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

11 January 2021, 09:48 AM	#11
Patton250 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Oct 2015 Real Name: Brett Location: Florida Watch: 5205R Posts: 5,160	I love mine. I have the black one. I think these new ones are much better looking than the old ones of which I did own one. Plus the movement is far superior but the OP did mention that. __________________ Morality does not derive from consensus. It only comes from one place. Pride goes before destruction, and haughtiness before a fall. Often times unbelief is disguised as wisdom Instagram - patton250

11 January 2021, 01:06 PM	#22
Soarer "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Real Name: Albert Location: Toronto Watch: Submariner LV Posts: 1,083	Seamaster Pro - they’ve ruined it. This is a funny thread title. The Seamaster Pro series is mighty fine series. I have the older Bond 2220.80 and 2254.50 and will never part with them. Omega enhanced the whole line-up and came up with the new series and I think they did a bang-up job with that. Whichever series work for you, go with that. There’s no need to talk ill. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ What you gotta do, you gotta do!

11 January 2021, 01:31 PM	#23
mikea "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Real Name: mike Location: Dallas, Tx Watch: Rolex and AP Posts: 1,084	I had a 2254.50 for years and loved the watch and at times still regret selling. With that being said I love just about everything about the new iterations __________________ DD40 RG, DD40 Platinum, Submariner Bluesy, WG YM 42, YM 40

11 January 2021, 08:50 AM	#2
MTdweller "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2015 Real Name: Ty Location: West Coast Watch: the time fly! Posts: 1,493	They are catering to a new generation of Seamaster fans - people like me. The old Seamaster never did anything for me, although iconic. I love the updates!

11 January 2021, 08:51 AM	#3
vh2k "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2020 Location: USA Posts: 3,018	Fair opinion. That being said, the Diver 300M with the laser-etched wave dial is very attractive — in every color — and has been met with overwhelmingly positive response.

11 January 2021, 08:56 AM	#4
Maxy "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: TX Watch: Daytona Posts: 3,226	Man, someone coming back after 15 years at Omega SM and blasting it for being similar! On other hand, what's your thoughts on Kermit released in 2003 and Cermit released in 2020?

11 January 2021, 08:56 AM	#5
AEC 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Real Name: Tony Location: Orchard Park, NY Watch: Idiot Savant Posts: 3,340	Sorry to hear of your disappointment. You can still find a really nice used 2531.80 to purchase (the original reference considered to be the Bond watch). Most members here love the current version, and I imagine there will be plenty of replies accordingly.

11 January 2021, 09:15 AM	#6
vintagewaferthin "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Earth Watch: Air-King 5500 Posts: 2,620	Personally, I wish they would bring back the 36mm midsize version. The white in 36mm would look perfect(to me at least lol).

11 January 2021, 09:17 AM	#7
watchmavan Member Join Date: Oct 2016 Real Name: Michael Location: Melbourne, Aust Watch: Polar 16570 Posts: 1,185	You don't have to like it at all. But imo this is a magnificent watch that far exceeds the older incarnations. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

11 January 2021, 09:38 AM	#9
greengold Banned Join Date: Jun 2019 Location: uk Posts: 496	the new smp p*sses all over the old ones and even the submariner technically (apart from bracelet)

11 January 2021, 10:33 AM	#13
OrangeKenny "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Houston, TX Watch: 16570 Polar Posts: 329	To each their own. Go buy the older version, there are plenty around.

11 January 2021, 11:11 AM	#15
ViperWatches 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2020 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 837	I agree. Sent from my SM-G935P using Tapatalk

11 January 2021, 12:01 PM	#17
Nikrnic "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2017 Real Name: Louis Nick Ric Location: Michigan, USA Watch: Blnr, Expll, Subs, Posts: 10,171	I have to agree. I was real close to making a good deal at the Omega AD but just couldn't pull the trigger, also not a fan of the deep wave dial. Its still a nice piece and I'm sure I would have been happy had I not known of the original Bond version so with a little patience I kept looking until the right one for me came along from 2006. 2531.80 Sent from my SM-G970U using Tapatalk

11 January 2021, 12:03 PM	#18
ddaly12 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Cranford Posts: 704	Hate this watch! Kidding! I find it hard to wear anything else... definitely different than the older models. I’m digging the changes. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

11 January 2021, 12:22 PM	#19
bonovox 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Colorado Watch: your time Posts: 1,440	Sounds like it's not for you. Stick with what you like.

11 January 2021, 12:53 PM	#20
JohnGingerwood 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Real Name: Zach Location: USA Posts: 1,496	Fair opinion. You are probably in the minority here though.

11 January 2021, 01:05 PM	#21
onefishtaco "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Vancouver Posts: 152	I'm not a fan of the skeleton hands, date placement, or HE valve. Besides that, for the price (especially used) I think they offer excellent value.

11 January 2021, 01:48 PM	#26
EEpro 2024 ROLEX SUBMARINER 41 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2019 Real Name: Brad Location: Purdue Watch: Daytona Posts: 9,239	I have the 2054 and the new 300m diver. I keep the 2054 for the memories and because $2K isn't worth dealing with selling but the new one is better in nearly every way. __________________ ♛ ✠ Ω 2FA Active

11 January 2021, 02:04 PM	#27
NoVaSubowner "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Alexandria, VA Watch: Love them. Posts: 1,094	The new watch is just a lot nicer than the old one in so many ways. It’s gone from feeling like a watch that hardly justified it’s price tag to a watch that is undervalued based on what it offers compared to the competition. I love mine. Would I prefer a slightly smaller case yes? But overall it’s one of the best sport watches for the $$ out there. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

11 January 2021, 07:05 PM	#28
DCheeta "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Real Name: Dave Location: NYC Posts: 7,181	Okay. Don’t buy one.

11 January 2021, 09:37 PM	#30
Mac-427 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Arlington, TX Posts: 167	I've had the old and now have the new. My old generation was a great watch but my new generation 300M is magnificent and I wear it 24/7.

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