Oyster perpetual availability

[Njkdog]

I’m actually interested in the green op 36. I know I’m not going to get one from an AD, but the more Rolex makes the cheaper they’ll be on the secondary market. I think I might be ready to get one in about six months.
Does anyone know if they’re making a lot of OPs? And do they equally make each color? Or are there some colors they make more of?

Thanks all!

[sportsfan0704]

Nobody knows anything about quantities of each model produced. However, by pure logic, since it’s a new watch there’s a comparatively low supply on the secondary market. The longer you wait, the more they will become available. Whether the price decreases on the secondary market in response to that increased supply is a different story.

[ks58]

I'm guessing it's relatively low or they're holding back on supply. Honestly, I don't think many of the ADs are getting too many of any watch nowadays.

[bob sims]

Originally Posted by Njkdog

I’m actually interested in the green op 36. I know I’m not going to get one from an AD, but the more Rolex makes the cheaper they’ll be on the secondary market. I think I might be ready to get one in about six months.
Does anyone know if they’re making a lot of OPs? And do they equally make each color? Or are there some colors they make more of?

Thanks all!

I was told in May by what seemed like a very knowledgeable and conscientious AD that there only 3000 each of the hot color (red, green, tiffany, yellow) in 41 made per year. Sure it is the same for 36. It was explained to me that only 80,000 OP are made per year; there are 5 sizes and each size has multiple colors. So that math, sadly, makes sense.
Plus we must keep in mind that is a global figure for the 9 BILLION people on the planet. East Asia alone could easily swallow that number year in and year out.
The smart advice, if you can swing it, is to choke on the premium like I did and buy from a trusted scalper.
Doubt these watches are coming down substantially in price (save the smallest sizes which are already not high) any time this decade barring a 1929 style global collapse.

[sportsfan0704]

Originally Posted by bob sims

I was told in May by what seemed like a very knowledgeable and conscientious AD that there only 3000 each of the hot color (red, green, tiffany, yellow) in 41 made per year. Sure it is the same for 36. It was explained to me that only 80,000 OP are made per year; there are 5 sizes and each size has multiple colors. So that math, sadly, makes sense.
Plus we must keep in mind that is a global figure for the 9 BILLION people on the planet. East Asia alone could easily swallow that number year in and year out.
The smart advice, if you can swing it, is to choke on the premium like I did and buy from a trusted scalper.
Doubt these watches are coming down substantially in price (save the smallest sizes which are already not high) any time this decade barring a 1929 style global collapse.

I wouldn’t believe what this AD said. Rolex isn’t giving them that information.

Also, there’s 7 billion people in this world, not 9 billion. And obviously not everyone can buy a Rolex of that 7 billion even if there were no demand problems.

[ndrs63]

Originally Posted by bob sims

I was told in May by what seemed like a very knowledgeable and conscientious AD that there only 3000 each of the hot color (red, green, tiffany, yellow) in 41 made per year. Sure it is the same for 36. It was explained to me that only 80,000 OP are made per year; there are 5 sizes and each size has multiple colors. So that math, sadly, makes sense.
Plus we must keep in mind that is a global figure for the 9 BILLION people on the planet. East Asia alone could easily swallow that number year in and year out.
The smart advice, if you can swing it, is to choke on the premium like I did and buy from a trusted scalper.
Doubt these watches are coming down substantially in price (save the smallest sizes which are already not high) any time this decade barring a 1929 style global collapse.

Do not believe what ADs say. Rolex does not disclose anyone the actual numbers


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[Nairn1980]

Originally Posted by Njkdog

I’m actually interested in the green op 36. I know I’m not going to get one from an AD, but the more Rolex makes the cheaper they’ll be on the secondary market. I think I might be ready to get one in about six months.
Does anyone know if they’re making a lot of OPs? And do they equally make each color? Or are there some colors they make more of?

Thanks all!

If you’re expecting the price to be miraculously cheaper in 6 months, you’ll likely be very disappointed

[dannyp]

Originally Posted by bob sims

I was told in May by what seemed like a very knowledgeable and conscientious AD that there only 3000 each of the hot color (red, green, tiffany, yellow) in 41 made per year. Sure it is the same for 36. It was explained to me that only 80,000 OP are made per year; there are 5 sizes and each size has multiple colors. So that math, sadly, makes sense.

Originally Posted by sportsfan0704

I wouldn’t believe what this AD said. Rolex isn’t giving them that information.

Also, there’s 7 billion people in this world, not 9 billion. And obviously not everyone can buy a Rolex of that 7 billion even if there were no demand problems.

Originally Posted by ndrs63

Do not believe what ADs say. Rolex does not disclose anyone the actual numbers


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While Rolex doesn't disclose that, the 80,000 does at least seem reasonable (roughly 10% of production to the "base" model). If production of 80,000 allocated equally across sizes, that's 16,000/size, that's just over 2,000 for each color in 41.

Also, based on location, FWIW, I'm guessing that this AD is the same as the one who was a brief TikTok celebrity ;).

[dannyp]

Originally Posted by Nairn1980

If you’re expecting the price to be miraculously cheaper in 6 months, you’ll likely be very disappointed

This is true. However there's always a chance that the likelihood of getting one through an AD in six months increases. But changes in secondary market pricing will lag.

[telesquire]

No shortage of them grey over here but 3k over MSRP....ouch!

[Mini2]

Some colours harder to come by compared to steel Daytona's some ADs have said to me

[pmoz]

As I am mainly interested in vintage watches, I don't have any relationship to any AD - meaning that I cannot even get on the waiting list for an OP36 blue dial, which is one of few new watches that I like...

According to them, everyone wants the same color (but most want Tiffany and Green from what I see) and they are not making many OP.

Not sure how the 36MM became popular again, but maybe we'll see a shift towards smaller watches again?

[HiBoost]

Originally Posted by telesquire

No shortage of them grey over here but 3k over MSRP....ouch!

3k or 3x? If you can buy the hot colors for only 3k over retail you should do so and then flip to US buyers haha

[EndlessEight]

Originally Posted by telesquire

No shortage of them grey over here but 3k over MSRP....ouch!

14k over MSRP for OP41 turqoise

[ndrs63]

Originally Posted by dannyp

While Rolex doesn't disclose that, the 80,000 does at least seem reasonable (roughly 10% of production to the "base" model). If production of 80,000 allocated equally across sizes, that's 16,000/size, that's just over 2,000 for each color in 41.

Also, based on location, FWIW, I'm guessing that this AD is the same as the one who was a brief TikTok celebrity ;).

Rolex makes 800,000 not 80,000


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[telesquire]

Originally Posted by HiBoost

3k or 3x? If you can buy the hot colors for only 3k over retail you should do so and then flip to US buyers haha

£3000 over for the OP36.

[whiskyrolex]

Originally Posted by ndrs63

Rolex makes 800,000 not 80,000


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They make 800,000 Oyster Perpetuals a year?

He was clearly not referring to their total production.

[dannyp]

Originally Posted by ndrs63

Rolex makes 800,000 not 80,000


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Originally Posted by whiskyrolex

They make 800,000 Oyster Perpetuals a year?

He was clearly not referring to their total production.

Exactly. I was referring to the 80,000 estimate on OP production and that dedicating roughly 10% of production capacity to the most entry-level model line seemed to make sense.

Aside from estimated demand, I would imagine that at least some production figures are affected by how many other watches share the same components. The more scalable production is, the easier it is to produce more (if desired).

[dannyp]

Originally Posted by HiBoost

3k or 3x? If you can buy the hot colors for only 3k over retail you should do so and then flip to US buyers haha

Originally Posted by telesquire

£3000 over for the OP36.

That's about the same markup on the green 36 as here (about $4,000). For whatever reason, among the "hot" colors, the green seems to go for the lowest premium (followed by yellow). Red is higher, and candy pink/turquoise are just bonkers.

[ndrs63]

Originally Posted by whiskyrolex

They make 800,000 Oyster Perpetuals a year?

He was clearly not referring to their total production.

My bad, did misread


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[telesquire]

Originally Posted by dannyp

That's about the same markup on the green 36 as here (about $4,000). For whatever reason, among the "hot" colors, the green seems to go for the lowest premium (followed by yellow). Red is higher, and candy pink/turquoise are just bonkers.

Yeah exactly the same here. Odd world. I still can't figure why the Explorer 36mm is going for more than the DJ36 new on the grey market. A nice watch but entry level and 36mm is still not the most popular size. As a £5k watch fine....but now £8995?

[dannyp]

Originally Posted by telesquire

Yeah exactly the same here. Odd world. I still can't figure why the Explorer 36mm is going for more than the DJ36 new on the grey market. A nice watch but entry level and 36mm is still not the most popular size. As a £5k watch fine....but now £8995?

That one makes more sense: It's part of the Professional lineup, and "new" this year, both of which automatically add to its secondary market pricing regardless of real-world demand. I suspect prices will stabilize on this one in the near future, given the (relative) ease of acquiring one from an AD.

The OP green dial makes entirely less sense: Green is the new "it" color and a green dial alone has created massively inflated secondary prices for the YG Daytona and DD36, RG DD40, Sub LV, DJ palm, as well as out-of-production models (old YG DD36, Hulk, Kermit). On the other hand, deep blue dials fetch a premium over non-blue counterparts (Nautilus, Royal Oak, SkyD) and the deep blue OP seems to be the easiest color to obtain.

[bob sims]

Originally Posted by dannyp

While Rolex doesn't disclose that, the 80,000 does at least seem reasonable (roughly 10% of production to the "base" model). If production of 80,000 allocated equally across sizes, that's 16,000/size, that's just over 2,000 for each color in 41.

Also, based on location, FWIW, I'm guessing that this AD is the same as the one who was a brief TikTok celebrity ;).

No a different state!
But a big to the rest of your comment!

[grimps]

My AD said they have received 7 of all colours and all sizes since they've been released

[bob sims]

Originally Posted by sportsfan0704

I wouldn’t believe what this AD said. Rolex isn’t giving them that information.

Also, there’s 7 billion people in this world, not 9 billion. And obviously not everyone can buy a Rolex of that 7 billion even if there were no demand problems.

7.9 billion as of this month according to:
https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/

[bob sims]

Originally Posted by grimps

My AD said they have received 7 of all colours and all sizes since they've been released

Brutal.
In other words if you only want a specific size and color you are out of luck.
Not so "mass produced" as many here think-or pretend to think.