Your thoughts on this Tudor jumbo 90814

[johnjm]

Dial not in the best condition, has been polished but it doesn’t bother me, markers seems fine and the lugs confirm the 90814 reference and the year approx 1978

Reasonable price?

Oh bracelet is aftermarket






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[TuRo]

Yes it's ok, the crude ( look like refinish ) painted second markers and - swiss - is weirdly correct ! Nice big 37mm piece - they go for about a bag of sand (£1000), or so, in the UK.

[Ascari_2]

Is the lume painted black or is that "patina"?

[Dan S]

Originally Posted by Ascari_2

Is the lume painted black or is that "patina"?

There are small lume dots on the dial, and I believe there may be small lume plots at the ends of the hands, past the black inlay/painted section.

[TuRo]

Originally Posted by Ascari_2

Is the lume painted black or is that "patina"?

Another strange feature of this piece the centre strake of the 3 sided hour marker and hands go a charcoal colour under certain angles !

[johnjm]

Originally Posted by pauldavidthorpe

Yes it's ok, the crude ( look like refinish ) painted second markers and - swiss - is weirdly correct ! Nice big 37mm piece - they go for about a bag of sand (£1000), or so, in the UK.

Thanks for this. Pulled the trigger. Wasn’t a bag of sand, a bit more but I really do like them for what they are.

I suspect some sort of exposure happened that made the lume go black maybe. Now the search begins for a 94613 lol


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[TuRo]

Very welcome and congrats I like them as they are quirky and a good size and way underpriced at moment.
Other 37mm that are undervalued 'sleepers' I also like, are these four from 70s - quarter of the price of 9411/7016 etc.
9111/0 (Ranger 2 with orange second hand esp interesting)
9101/0, (Burgundy and Greeny Blue dial esp nice)
9121/0 (bullseye blue,/grey esp interesting)
9140/0 (Quartz version of above and a 10th price Equiv Rolex)

[johnjm]

Originally Posted by pauldavidthorpe

Very welcome and congrats I like them as they are quirky and a good size and way underpriced at moment.
Other 37mm that are undervalued 'sleepers' I also like, are these four from 70s - quarter of the price of 9411/7016 etc.
9111/0 (Ranger 2 with orange second hand esp interesting)
9101/0, (Burgundy and Greeny Blue dial esp nice)
9121/0 (bullseye blue,/grey esp interesting)
9140/0 (Quartz version of above and a 10th price Equiv Rolex)

Really liking these too… interestingly the RSC doesn’t accept the 70s Tudors anymore for a lack of parts, well that’s what they told me directly, which made me hesitant at first. But my local watchmaker doesn’t have an issue in servicing.

Would you consider a 9411/0 that has had a movement replacement? The markings on the movement give it away as it was swopped out at some point. One of my biggest regrets was selling a 79260 that I had a full set, I lust after these vintage tudors to this day.


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[johnjm]

Sorry to go on, but do you think that the tarnish on this gold bezel is fine for being over 30 years old? The crown looks aftermarket to me.




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[TuRo]

Watchmakers fine with old Tudors they are just workhorse ETA mvts.
If 9411 was v.cheap and rest of watch ok perhaps - most I've seen with wrong mvt are not right elsewhere though.
Ps Correct ETA would be about £750 as you can buy cheaper piece and swap out.
Yes the 79260/70/80 were £1500 tops in 2016, when I bought a few... now £4-5k.
Think they've peaked for a bit though now, as too close to values of more sought after earlier Big Block 79160/70/80 now.

[johnjm]

Originally Posted by pauldavidthorpe

Watchmakers fine with old Tudors they are just workhorse ETA mvts.
If 9411 was v.cheap and rest of watch ok perhaps - most I've seen with wrong mvt are not right elsewhere though.
Ps Correct ETA would be about £750 as you can buy cheaper piece and swap out.
Yes the 79260/70/80 were £1500 tops in 2016, when I bought a few... now £4-5k.
Think they've peaked for a bit though now, as too close to values of more sought after earlier Big Block 79160/70/80 now.

Thanks, the 9411 has an asking price of about £7500 which I feel is a bit high.


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[TuRo]

Originally Posted by johnjm

Sorry to go on, but do you think that the tarnish on this gold bezel is fine for being over 30 years old? The crown looks aftermarket to me.




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Yes fine, and yes possibly a/mkt on crown. Linen dial btw.. One watch like it's sister date model 74033 and 75023 that getting one with punched papers is only about £200-300 or 15-20% more (at moment) than a loose watch... so perhaps worth holding out for one with full set as it's not much more pricey.

[TuRo]

Originally Posted by johnjm

Thanks, the 9411 has an asking price of about £7500 which I feel is a bit high.


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Yes way too much... I'd be at £3.8-4k tops for that, given the faff and risk !

[johnjm]

Originally Posted by pauldavidthorpe

Yes way too much... I'd be at £3.8-4k tops for that, given the faff and risk !

Thanks.

Last question I promise, instead I could get an excellent full set 79090, nearly NOS and still waterproof for £6100.

Would you?


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[TuRo]

Originally Posted by johnjm

Thanks.

Last question I promise, instead I could get an excellent full set 79090, nearly NOS and still waterproof for £6100.

Would you?


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Yes a plexi 79090 has now overtaken saphire 79190 value wise as it's a cheap 1680 in essence! £6100 is pretty good price for full set too if it's a broadly fresh looking watch - should be on a 9315 Tudor bracelet and not have T SWISS MADE T above the 6 hour markers at bottom if original dial (original are below). Pop it up and the Tudoristi will chime in - get ready for the over-polishing comments though !!!

[johnjm]

Originally Posted by pauldavidthorpe

Yes a plexi 79090 has now overtaken saphire 79190 value wise as it's a cheap 1680 in essence! £6100 is pretty good price for full set too if it's a broadly fresh looking watch - should be on a 9315 Tudor bracelet and not have T SWISS MADE T above the 6 hour markers at bottom if original dial (original are below). Pop it up and the Tudoristi will chime in - get ready for the over-polishing comments though !!!

Aaargg I got the photos, no bracelet and I see the dial is as you say it shouldn’t. Is it a service replacement? Case looks mint to me.

I remember I could have got one a decade ago for £1000!






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[TuRo]

Yes that is 1991 from Geneve dealer I think I saw on C24 and they say 'all original'- There are strangely a lot on C24 with this late 79190 styleT SWISS MADE T over the 6 triangle , which I think is service... but perhaps someone else could confirm or not. Either way the 9315 is worth a b.o.s./ £1000 so it would be £5k max - also can't see if punched or not but looks handwritten (Bucheror one of only a few companies who often didn't use punch papers btw), most feel punched better than hand written of course.
They were a £1000 in UK about 2007 (15 yrs ago), by 2012 £2k and by 2017 they were £3k and then a big jump in 2019 to £5k.

[johnjm]

Originally Posted by pauldavidthorpe

Yes that is 1991 from Geneve dealer I think I saw on C24 and they say 'all original'- There are strangely a lot on C24 with this late 79190 styleT SWISS MADE T over the 6 triangle , which I think is service... but perhaps someone else could confirm or not. Either way the 9315 is worth a b.o.s./ £1000 so it would be £5k max - also can't see if punched or not but looks handwritten (Bucheror one of only a few companies who often didn't use punch papers btw), most feel punched better than hand written of course.
They were a £1000 in UK about 2007 (15 yrs ago), by 2012 £2k and by 2017 they were £3k and then a big jump in 2019 to £5k.

Thanks, I did a search now and saw it there too. I do like it very much, the plexi does finish it off well.


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[douglasf13]

Originally Posted by Dan S

There are small lume dots on the dial, and I believe there may be small lume plots at the ends of the hands, past the black inlay/painted section.

Yeah, it all looks normal to me. The lume on mine has gone black as well.

These are undervalued watches, considering they’re essentially a mix of the 1019 Milgauss (same case) and a DateJust, albeit with an ETA movement, and the 37.5mm bezel diameter is a little “modern.” The 9080/0 is probably my favorite Rolex/Tudor that I’ve owned.

[Dan S]

Oof ... confusing thread.

[douglasf13]

Originally Posted by Dan S

Oof ... confusing thread.

Yeah, I was replying to the original posts before the it swerved to talking about dive watches. I’ll edit my post to quote the earlier topic.

[TuRo]

Originally Posted by douglasf13

Yeah, it all looks normal to me. The lume on mine has gone black as well.

These are undervalued watches, considering they’re essentially a mix of the 1019 Milgauss (same case) and a DateJust, albeit with an ETA movement, and the 37.5mm bezel diameter is a little “modern.” The 9080/0 is probably my favorite Rolex/Tudor that I’ve owned.

Nice smooth bezel version.

[douglasf13]

Originally Posted by pauldavidthorpe

Nice smooth bezel version.

[Denturegeek]

One of the greatest bags of sand I've ever owned and proud to have it next to any Rolex in my collection.

[TuRo]

Lovely - the 0.2 second hashes (applied) painting on dial is quite a feat of jumbo craftsmenship !