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Jean-Marc Pontroue is destroying the brand
Just watched "WatchAdvisor - PANERAI: Straight talk with CEO Jean-Marc Pontroue and I can't believe this guy.
So starting in 2023 all watch will be converted over to the stupid "esteel" with the transition complete by 2025. I don't understand the logic in a luxury product using recycled materials! I don't want a watch with any recycled materials in it. I guess I'm done buying Panerai's I just don't like the direction the company has been going since this guy took over as CEO. They are also getting rid of the wood boxes and the watches will now come in a small cardboard box with travel case. If anyone at Panerai is listening you need to get rid of this guy and get back to your roots of what made Panerai a success. It's certainly not esteel and feminine looking travel cases. |
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Lots of steel is already previously used. What I have issue with is the cringe worth e-steel on the dial.
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I just got my first Panerai, PAM 233. I find myself drawn to the more vintage models. I wonder how the new direction of Panerai will affect the value of the previous models. I guess it really doesn't matter to me. I too am turned off on the eco-friendly cheap packaging being used by other firms (i.e. Breitling).
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I think the point here is sustainability. At the moment by having it on the dial, I do agree that is somehow devalues the watch. But once removed from the dial, I don’t mind that the steel is partially recycled. I just don’t need that reminder on the dial lol. |
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Many luxury brands are going all-in with sustainability.
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Its the way world is functioning whether we like it or not... V8 V6 engines are looked down upon and all major Car co.s are forced to electrify for the new world... The fact these dead electric batteries might actually do more damage to environment in future for disposal is to be seen... The extra electricity generation required will have more impact to environment... More fossil fuels burned , nuclear waste released etc etc
Also the e steel might actually be more energy consuming or even the cardbox ... Knowone knows but for sales and marketing people only have one target that is to please a certain mentality to achive more sales at the end of the day. Its all a gimmick no one really gives a damn about the planet in reality and thats the sad part of today's world. Most activists are just fame hungry rather than actual crusaders.
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Not to sidetrack the thread, but electric car batteries have a lifespan of about 10 years followed by 10 years of use for energy storage. Furthermore, with today’s technology, 80% is recyclable. Who know what the percentage will be in 20 years. It’s not marketing or making people feel good. It’s real science and facts. As for needing energy, yes, one needs to generate power to move the car. The more renewable the source the better. And regardless of the source, the dramatic decreases in CO2 and local particle emissions have real impacts. As for watches, apparently the younger generation (those who will be the majority of luxury buyers soon enough) expect sustainability. Companies need to cater to that. It’s just good business sense. And if sustainability happens to be better for the planet along the way, why not? |
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Panerai are marketing to the new consumer, not dinosaurs like us on a watch forum. Do I buy into it? Absolutely not!! ![]()
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Panerai from the correct era .Thats what you buy .
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It is both normal that many current and old-time consumers don't feel connected to the new strategy, as well as that the CEO's strategy is considered a legitimate and smart business move by investors. Only time will tell. |
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My view is that sustainability and luxury does not mix very well. Many chose Panerai for its unique design direction, history and for keeping its heritage, at least up till now. Many successful higher end brands remain successful because these are among the factors one choses a luxury item. Simply adjusting to fads and changing demographics is a very simplistic strategy atuned to mid level brands. (aside, using scraps from machining is not new nor unique as metal scraps has been for the longest time recycled).
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I’m in that generation, i could give two ![]() The lack of finishing, the “in-house” movement they don’t really make but sort of take credit for. It’s a mess. They make some really cool watches but i wouldn’t pay anything near msrp for one. Their finishing is also pretty bad considering the price point. Different league but Nomos does a way better job of finishing in a the club that’s $8,000 less than most panerai. I think they need to dig in more on finishes, making their own movement that’s decorated better, and create something that people want to stand in the imaginary line for. Omega does a far better job in their movements with a display back. Even Rolex does a better job without a display back. If panerai throws a few more limited editions out there they can become the new Hublot. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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I have to agree! Panerai just keeps finding new and unique ways to Bastardize their brand! Which is really disheartening because they’ve had so much opportunity to do things right! And what’s up with the sneaky attempt to downgrade their movements, and keep the movement ref # the same?! ![]() |
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Additionally, scientists disagree on the "science and the facts" all the time. So which scientist are you to believe? |
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I am fine with eSteel, I just don't like the new box and packaging.
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"PANERAI" welcome to the new swatch
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Aesthetics wise, the color looks like Breitling. Great branding is recognizable from across a room. Using your competitors colors in packaging is so baffling. Paneria could've kept their box experience by using young wood, which is also eco friendly, and kept their uniqueness. This new solution looks like an attempt to cheapen their packaging cost and add a feature that other brands have started doing, namely the travel case (see Omega and Zenith). On that note, I'd say their competitors did it better. The Panerai's travel case, with the rotating lid, looks so bulky. When traveling, and space is a premium, why would one want to take a large travel case? |
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If your into collecting knives. Steel is a focal point. There are many blends of steel. Some for hardness, corrosion resistance, durability etc. Not sure what blend Panerai is using but I’d be curious to see the molecularity differences. Might squash some of the backlash
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Panerai has been a dumpster fire for years…….Limited Editions, Special Editions…… At the end of the day, other than to the Panerai enthusiasts, they all look the same.
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It’s been said before but Panerai is like a crazy eccentric artist. Every now and then they will produce a masterpiece but between those times you have to put up with a lot of bizarre nonsense. This “sustainability materials” in a luxury watch is utter marketing nonsense and counter intuitive to the very idea of the market they are in. It’s shamefully lazy and transparent marketing. You can use yard waste as a sustainable and recyclable source for my dinner salad but I don’t want my 5 Michelin star restaurant to do it.
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