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6 November 2022, 10:16 AM | #1 |
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Neanderthal Daytona: A 3 million dollar Frankenstein with fake history
The following watch sold for 3 million Swiss Francs in 2018. The interesting dial was installed in a different watch in 1998 and the story that came with the watch is completely made-up.
https://perezcope.com/2022/11/03/rol...-goes-extinct/ Cheers Jose
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6 November 2022, 11:13 AM | #2 |
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Thanks for an interesting read Jose.
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6 November 2022, 01:35 PM | #3 |
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Unbelievable.
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6 November 2022, 01:38 PM | #4 |
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Wow! Amazing scholarship. Much appreciated.
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6 November 2022, 01:53 PM | #5 |
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Wow. Amazing story and discovery.
The pursuit of Vintage has so many minefields.
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A great read and further confirmation that I should always buy my watches "new". And not just because I get to have my name on the paperwork.
It makes sense that the most valuable vintage watches are the most likely to be altered and by the most expert "restorers". |
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Awesome as usual.
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6 November 2022, 09:22 PM | #8 |
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6 November 2022, 10:17 PM | #9 |
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Wow, great post, thanks OP. Great WORK finding this out. Makes me glad I stick to, "Nice watches to wear" and leave the big pieces to the experts!
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7 November 2022, 12:19 AM | #10 |
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Great post. Amazing what people will do.
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7 November 2022, 01:00 AM | #11 |
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Quick academic question here.
What is the lesson going forward? That these auction houses would do themselves and all prospective buyers a service by hiring someone with the incredible detective skills as Perez? Or, absolutely, positively, have incontrovertible proof that Rolex produced the given watch as is with documentation? Because, as it is now, it seems like without either of those, you’d be a fool to hand over an enormous sum on a “story”. |
7 November 2022, 02:06 AM | #12 |
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Someone is out some big money…….auction houses are idiots when it comes to verifying watches and orginality
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7 November 2022, 02:24 AM | #13 |
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Jose doesn't post very often, but when he does
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7 November 2022, 02:55 AM | #14 |
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Neanderthal Daytona: A 3 million dollar Frankenstein with fake history
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7 November 2022, 06:28 AM | #15 |
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Great read. Watch went from being a Neanderthal to Big Foot!
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7 November 2022, 11:46 AM | #16 |
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Great read.
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BOOM!! |
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On the bright side, the flaws of this kind of "reach for the Stars" watch collecting can comfort those who are happy with attaining a beautiful, period correct but not unique, watch. |
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sorry, hate to be 'that guy' but i can't help but not ignore the elephant in the room- will the auction house / Mr. Bacs make it right for the buyer? or does the auction contract fine print rule out any recourse ? (essentially you're on your own if the magical carriage turns into a pumpkin)
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7 November 2022, 11:56 PM | #22 |
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Sherlock Holmes would be proud. Once you see the same stains on the dial, including the spot of "dried spaghetti sauce," you don't really need to see much else.
I deal with the major auction houses in the art world and I run into problems quite a lot. Most of the mistakes are made through incompetence and laziness by overworked and underpaid staff. I'd imagine the same issues exist in the vintage watch departments. |
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When you've seen so many watches and you recognize something where it should not be; )
I came across a Tudor 7016 MN with a bad dial / bezel before that I knew was not MN because I had owned the case years prior.
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8 November 2022, 02:23 PM | #25 |
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Oh wow, this should be big news
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i'm subscribing to this thread; would love to know if there's any further development and/or a fair outcome reached amongst the parties. |
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3 April 2023, 03:31 AM | #27 |
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Watched the podcast today. Great episode!
Was there at any point any feedback from Phillips? |
3 April 2023, 05:17 AM | #28 |
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They have other problems ;-)
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Thank you, as always, Jose, you are such an incredible resource for the watch community!
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