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Alexander88 · 26 February 2023, 07:41 AM

Hello,

I have been looking for a double red 1665 for a long time. in my home country, this Sea-Dweller was offered today.
The condition is visibly a bit battered, but the dial looks intact.
Before I talk to the seller tomorrow, I wanted to ask for your opinion.
If everything here is original, it would be a good basis for work.

Thank you very much in advance.

Alex

antrolexsub · 26 February 2023, 08:09 AM

For a watch like this you really need high resolution macros. Having said that, the is dial is no good, neither is the insert or case back.

swaini3 · 26 February 2023, 08:12 AM

dial, insert, caseback are no good.

Alexander88 · 26 February 2023, 08:18 AM

Thank you very much. I have just compared the dial with pictures of authentic 1665. I don't like what I see either.

Avs Fan · 26 February 2023, 11:30 AM

case back has been brushed in an obvious way

comanndr · 26 February 2023, 11:50 AM

open the caseback and get photo
dont like even with poor pics

Kingface66 · 26 February 2023, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by comanndr

open the caseback and get photo
dont like even with poor pics

At this point, is there even any reason? The most valuable parts are fake. Even if the mid case and movement were real, it would cost a ton to get it correct.

indianmachine · 26 February 2023, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Kingface66

At this point, is there even any reason? The most valuable parts are fake. Even if the mid case and movement were real, it would cost a ton to get it correct.

agreed there isn't

Singhalager · 26 February 2023, 02:33 PM

all case scratches and marks look synthetic/simulated/contrived. However you want to say but not legit wear marks

Alexander88 · 26 February 2023, 05:23 PM

No, I don't think there's any reason to bother with this watch any further.
But it is always interesting to see what kind of things are offered.
Thank you for your support.

TuRo · 26 February 2023, 08:15 PM

100% fake - btw the colour and look of the hour markers are the classic incorrect look found on many fake 1680/1665 reds and d/reds.

Fellini · 26 February 2023, 09:39 PM

run!

Alexander88 · 26 February 2023, 09:49 PM

Yes, I have already run :)
I posted the pictures before I compared them properly myself. It is a private seller from Germany. With ads like this, I always wonder if the seller doesn't know what he's selling or if it's knowingly fraud.

karleone · 26 February 2023, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Singhalager

all case scratches and marks look synthetic/simulated/contrived. However you want to say but not legit wear marks

That’s exactly what I thought. Probably a fake case too and added scratches just to look more vintage.

Filipão · 27 February 2023, 04:33 AM

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Originally Posted by karleone

That’s exactly what I thought. Probably a fake case too and added scratches just to look more vintage.

On a bench vice or vise grip pliers...

Heliopause · 1 March 2023, 10:35 PM

That's hard a hard life, deliberately or otherwise.

If you do find a red, it's a nice dial feature.

Perku-t · 9 March 2023, 10:11 AM

unfortunately fake :(
how much was asked for this ?

Haywood_Milton · 9 March 2023, 05:41 PM

Always more important - WHO was selling it and how did THEY describe it ?

26 February 2023, 08:15 PM	#11
TuRo "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2022 Real Name: Paul Location: Cantabrigia - G.B Watch: ing the detectives Posts: 2,781	100% fake - btw the colour and look of the hour markers are the classic incorrect look found on many fake 1680/1665 reds and d/reds. __________________ QUINCY JONES 1933-2024.

9 March 2023, 05:41 PM	#18
Haywood_Milton "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Real Name: Yes, it is ! Location: Cheshire & Mersey Watch: Military issue Sub Posts: 1,330	Always more important - WHO was selling it and how did THEY describe it ? __________________ Comex:5513,5514,1665x2,16800x2,16600 Mil sub:5517x2,5513x9,5512 Submariner:6536/1x2,5508,5513 PCG u/line & double SWISS (America's Cup),5513 giltx2, 5513 m-firstx2,5513 gloss WGx2,1680 Red,1680 White Mk1 & Mk2 Sea-Dweller:1665 DRSDx3,Great Whitex3 GMT-Master:6542x2 (1 Bakelite),1675x8 (2 gilt), 16750 & SeaKing 116710LN Explorer:1016x6 (1 gilt),5500x3,14270 Blackout, Orange 1655 x4 Milgauss 1019x3 Cosmo 6263 *RNCD DSSD 116660.

26 February 2023, 08:09 AM	#2
antrolexsub "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Earth Posts: 766	For a watch like this you really need high resolution macros. Having said that, the is dial is no good, neither is the insert or case back.

26 February 2023, 08:12 AM	#3
swaini3 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Real Name: Mo Location: Dubai Watch: 1675 GMT, DRSD Posts: 1,458	dial, insert, caseback are no good.

26 February 2023, 08:18 AM	#4
Alexander88 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2022 Location: Connecticut Posts: 134	Thank you very much. I have just compared the dial with pictures of authentic 1665. I don't like what I see either.

26 February 2023, 11:30 AM	#5
Avs Fan "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,498	case back has been brushed in an obvious way

26 February 2023, 11:50 AM	#6
comanndr "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Real Name: rich Location: florida Watch: 16570 polar16610lv Posts: 208	open the caseback and get photo dont like even with poor pics

26 February 2023, 02:33 PM	#9
Singhalager Banned Join Date: Aug 2022 Location: Singapore Posts: 47	all case scratches and marks look synthetic/simulated/contrived. However you want to say but not legit wear marks

26 February 2023, 05:23 PM	#10
Alexander88 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2022 Location: Connecticut Posts: 134	No, I don't think there's any reason to bother with this watch any further. But it is always interesting to see what kind of things are offered. Thank you for your support.

26 February 2023, 09:39 PM	#12
Fellini "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Real Name: Ian Location: SW10 + Berlin Watch: 1953 Explorer Posts: 119	run!

26 February 2023, 09:49 PM	#13
Alexander88 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2022 Location: Connecticut Posts: 134	Yes, I have already run :) I posted the pictures before I compared them properly myself. It is a private seller from Germany. With ads like this, I always wonder if the seller doesn't know what he's selling or if it's knowingly fraud.

1 March 2023, 10:35 PM	#16
Heliopause "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2023 Location: Dublin Posts: 17	That's hard a hard life, deliberately or otherwise. If you do find a red, it's a nice dial feature.

9 March 2023, 10:11 AM	#17
Perku-t "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2022 Location: New Caledonia Watch: 1665 DRSD MK3 1973 Posts: 60	unfortunately fake :( how much was asked for this ?

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