Any objections to this 1680?

[mattg6]

https://timelessvintage.watch/watch/...80-black-1971-


Obviously many won’t like that it’s polished, but interested to hear if anything else stands out as off

[mattg6]

The “I” in stainless on the etching between the lugs maybe off?

[pereztroika]

At first glance, the numbers between the lugs seem to be engraved with what looks like Typeface C. Problem is, in the 2.6 million range, Typeface C was not yet in use. In this range, it should either be Typeface A or B. My first thought was this could be some kind of service case. However, as you can see in the comparison below, the way the reference number is executed is not a perfect match with later cases engraved with Typeface C.




Maybe it's just the light but I don't like it. Those Rs in REGISTERED look super weird as well. The Mk 4 dial looks good though.


Cheers
Jose

[1675-David]

Taken letter for letter there are a lot of anomalies in that engraving, and no wear between the lugs on a so obviously polished case. Fishy at best.

[TimeToGo]

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Awful,
great to see these attempts posted before been scammed.

[Noahgraph]

These lugs I dont consider polished. This is just a redone case with awful chamfering. Like the women you see at the hotelbar of the Beverly Hills Peninsula on a saturday.

[TuRo]

Originally Posted by pereztroika

At first glance, the numbers between the lugs seem to be engraved with what looks like Typeface C. Problem is, in the 2.6 million range, Typeface C was not yet in use. In this range, it should either be Typeface A or B. My first thought was this could be some kind of service case. However, as you can see in the comparison below, the way the reference number is executed is not a perfect match with later cases engraved with Typeface C.




Maybe it's just the light but I don't like it. Those Rs in REGISTERED look super weird as well. The Mk 4 dial looks good though.


Cheers
Jose

I'd say that engraving is way off personally Jose, not just a wrong font for period. Rgds Paul

[TuRo]

Originally Posted by Noahgraph

These lugs I dont consider polished. This is just a redone case with awful chamfering. Like the women you see at the hotelbar of the Beverly Hills Peninsula on a saturday.

I'm very intrigued....do you have a photo of the type you refer too pls .. we don't get such interesting specimens in Hotel lobby's in Cambridge UK sadly :-)

[1665fan]

I’m going fake…..

[janice&fred]

Originally Posted by 1665fan

I’m going fake…..

Yep

[swaini3]

Ouch, sold. I so hope the buyer sees this thread before its too late.

[alwayshere]

Originally Posted by swaini3

Ouch, sold. I so hope the buyer sees this thread before its too late.

OP might be the buyer....

[1675-David]

Originally Posted by swaini3

Ouch, sold. I so hope the buyer sees this thread before its too late.

Oh dear!!

[mattg6]

Originally Posted by pereztroika

At first glance, the numbers between the lugs seem to be engraved with what looks like Typeface C. Problem is, in the 2.6 million range, Typeface C was not yet in use. In this range, it should either be Typeface A or B. My first thought was this could be some kind of service case. However, as you can see in the comparison below, the way the reference number is executed is not a perfect match with later cases engraved with Typeface C.




Maybe it's just the light but I don't like it. Those Rs in REGISTERED look super weird as well. The Mk 4 dial looks good though.


Cheers
Jose

Thanks for the insights. So how would someone do something like this in theory? take a newer 1680 case, polish between the lugs, re-engrave it to match the mk4 dial period?

[MrChamfers]

It was probably just an honest mistake by the dealer on a consignment piece. No worries!

[mattg6]

Originally Posted by MrChamfers

It was probably just an honest mistake by the dealer on a consignment piece. No worries!

But someone actually put it together that way and I was wondering how. Re-“stamped” a later service case?

[Filipão]

Originally Posted by MrChamfers

It was probably just an honest mistake by the dealer on a consignment piece. No worries!

Hahahaha!

[Greglaw]

[QUOTE=pereztroika;12664038]At first glance, the numbers between the lugs seem to be engraved with what looks like Typeface C. Problem is, in the 2.6 million range, Typeface C was not yet in use. In this range, it should either be Typeface A or B. My first thought was this could be some kind of service case. However, as you can see in the comparison below, the way the reference number is executed is not a perfect match with later cases engraved with Typeface C.




Maybe it's just the light but I don't like it. Those Rs in REGISTERED look super weird as well. The Mk 4 dial looks good though.

Jose swoops in and...oh...he’s right again. I for one appreciate your (Jose) “trolling” and you (again-Jose) have saved me a couple of bucks over the years in our communications where I have sought your assistance...and you pointing out issues with watches I have asked you about, and you do it voluntarily and willingly and I cannot thank you enough.

[rpg1976]

Dang the amount of knowledge here is shockingly impressive! Nicely done!

[Dan S]

Assuming that this has really been tampered with, I'm astounded at how frequently new members are posting problematic watches being sold by dealers. What are the odds?

[visualplane]

Originally Posted by rpg1976

Dang the amount of knowledge here is shockingly impressive! Nicely done!

I was thinking the same thing!

[harry in montreal]

Thank god nobody fakes Tudor subs

[Dan S]

Originally Posted by harry in montreal

Thank god nobody fakes Tudor subs

[Arnozerosix]

Originally Posted by Dan S

time will come when prices will raise ;-)

[TuRo]

As far as I can make out, the only full size watches (38mm and above) that the fakers have not turned upon yet - because prices/demand are not high enough yet - are the 38mm Tudor 'Jumbo' eg 90800, and the Tudor 38mm 'Integrales' eg 9121/0....and I suspect, sadly, that this will change soon as demand/prices increases over the next few years.

[Fredrik]

Originally Posted by mattg6

But someone actually put it together that way and I was wondering how. Re-“stamped” a later service case?

Most likely a new completely counterfeit case, like the 1665 thin case to me.

Someone in the Netherlands probably has access to a new generation of counterfeit cases and a pantograph...

[XavierM]

Easy to come after the party but these engravings are really not convincing…

[swish77]

Interesting ... two high-end vintage Rolexes with bad cases posted in the last week or so were both out of Amsterdam. I realize it's two different websites, but ....

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=895549