Tiffany branded watches ?

[mcjp6]

Does anyone have a view on Tiffany branded Rolex watches. I have seen a couple now in various for sale sites and the seller is obviously talking up the Tiffany branded aspect and consequent rarity.

Does this branding actually increase their value? Are they more collectible than an exact same watch but without the branding?

I'd be grateful for any thoughts here.

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[bishonen1]

So called "co-branded" watches do command a permium in the market, and are highly collectable. Due to the value, the problem with fakes is prevalent.

[DadsWatch72]

The problem with fakes is prevalent in all Rolex models, isn't it? But we won't go there.

[bishonen1]

My meaning of the word "fake" is that the watch is a genuine Rolex, but has a spurious co-brand name like Tiffany or Cartier added to the watch dial.

[SLS]

It's the same watch, but was sold to T&C who then added their logo to the dial. These watches do command a premium, however most collectors like to see some kind of documentation from T&C or Rolex to show that it truly is a legit T&C dial. As with most older pieces, the sport models will command a much higher premium than the DJ which may only get a few more hundred.
Scott

[greekbum]

As a collector of vintage Rolex co branded watches only get a premium if the correct paperwork is with the watch.The name Tiffany for example was added by Tiffany.There is no way to tell without documentation that somebody else didnt add the word Tiffany(The fonts were not always the same etc.).Therefore it is easy for someone to take a regular dial and add another name to it and ask a premium.

[mike]

Originally Posted by greekbum

As a collector of vintage Rolex co branded watches only get a premium if the correct paperwork is with the watch.The name Tiffany for example was added by Tiffany.There is no way to tell without documentation that somebody else didnt add the word Tiffany(The fonts were not always the same etc.).Therefore it is easy for someone to take a regular dial and add another name to it and ask a premium.

Spot on. While some co-branded examples carried a mark (usually on the case or lugs) Tiffany references did not. Documentation is critical to the collector.

[mcjp6]

Thanks for the comments.

So beware a co branded watch without any documentation - but co branded, with authentic documentation would probably go for a premium, especially the sports models.

Not rocket science but always nice to have confirmed by the collective experience here, thanks.

[Flyjet601]

Originally Posted by mike

Spot on. While some co-branded examples carried a mark (usually on the case or lugs) Tiffany references did not. Documentation is critical to the collector.

Not wanting to hijack this thread but I was recently looking at a nice 16750, early '80s, matte dial with Tiffany on the dial, however no papers with it. This was a reputable vintage dealer in Hong Kong, he was not asking outrageous pricing. Actually it was the same price as a '70s 1675......he always gives a guarantee with the watch if u take it to Rolex and there is a problem.

My question....is this normal for a no paper 16750 Tiffany?? Was there a certain year range that Tiffany did this to Rolex watches?

[mcjp6]

Originally Posted by Flyjet601

Not wanting to hijack this thread but I was recently looking at a nice 16750, early '80s, matte dial with Tiffany on the dial, however no papers with it. This was a reputable vintage dealer in Hong Kong, he was not asking outrageous pricing. Actually it was the same price as a '70s 1675......he always gives a guarantee with the watch if u take it to Rolex and there is a problem. My question....is this normal for a no paper 16750 Tiffany?? Was there a certain year range that Tiffany did this to Rolex watches?

IMHO on ebay in HK there are a LOT of refinished dials coming out of there, ie early Explorer/Tudor Ranger etc. so pls take care

also since starting this thread I have found this site re Tiffany dials which may provide some reading for those interested http://rolex.watchprosite.com/show-n...ost/ti-478476/

[landroverking]

I can remember seeing a couple of Daytona's in the spring of 1980 in New York, seems like the 18Kt gold was around $2K. Wonder what it would sell for today?

[mgm]

Originally Posted by greekbum

As a collector of vintage Rolex co branded watches only get a premium if the correct paperwork is with the watch.The name Tiffany for example was added by Tiffany.There is no way to tell without documentation that somebody else didnt add the word Tiffany(The fonts were not always the same etc.).Therefore it is easy for someone to take a regular dial and add another name to it and ask a premium.

The obvious question arises; if it is easy to forge a dial, why not documents?

[Flyjet601]

Originally Posted by mcjp6

IMHO on ebay in HK there are a LOT of refinished dials coming out of there, ie early Explorer/Tudor Ranger etc. so pls take care

also since starting this thread I have found this site re Tiffany dials which may provide some reading for those interested http://rolex.watchprosite.com/show-n...ost/ti-478476/

Fortuntely this 16750 is not on ebay...its a shop I have dealt with in the past in Kowloon....

Great read about Tiffany's...thanks

[greekbum]

Originally Posted by mgm

The obvious question arises; if it is easy to forge a dial, why not documents?

They do that to.Its buyer beware these days.

[thekwaze]

Hi - I'm a new kid to this forum and have collected a variety of watches over the years from Cartier, Oris, Breitling, Omega and.....Tiffany & Co.
Sorry, no Rolex yet, but one shall be mine....it's choosing the right one!
Anyway, my query is:
Has anyone ever owned or seen a Tiffany Submariner?
No, not the Rolex one, but this one is actually made by Tiffany and is quite similar in appearance to the Rolex, although not identical.
I bought one on a whim a few years ago off Ebay and have investigated since, with little success, so I'm quite pleased that it seems rare!
It's quartz, so not very old and I got it without a strap, so I fitted an Oris style rubber strap.
If anyone has any info, or would like to see a photograph, please let me know.

[malolo]

I like co-branded Rolex. Since it is only selling in North America, is it more easy to see them in US' vintage market or vintage Rolex shops?

Can any brothers in US can answer?

[mike]

Originally Posted by mgm

The obvious question arises; if it is easy to forge a dial, why not documents?

Greg,

Some of the fakes comong out now are very good indeed. One must do their homework before committing. As to documents, it's common to find vintage pieces across the spectrum without their original B&P.

Back in the day many sets were simply thrown away....who wore a box?

Who could have forseen what was coming in the vintage arena and the premium placed on examples that had "all the bits".

There are stories of COMEX watches being issued and the owners tossing the B&P.

If only we had known.