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IS2000 · 23 July 2024, 02:45 PM

I’m about to pull a trigger on a matte dial 16800. The price is decent for the condition of the watch (over polished and no accessories). I just need some help determining if the watch looks legit. Thank you.

IS2000 · 23 July 2024, 02:49 PM

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alwayshere · 23 July 2024, 02:49 PM

Need better pics of the dial to be honest.

The rest looks okay to me.

IS2000 · 23 July 2024, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by alwayshere

Need better pics of the dial to be honest.

The rest looks okay to me.

Had to resized the photo. Here’s a clear shot of the dial.

alwayshere · 23 July 2024, 03:06 PM

Looks fine.

The case as you have already identified, has been polished - slightly overpolished but i'm sure you have factored that in terms of price.

0nly5iv3Digits · 23 July 2024, 04:38 PM

I would not call this overpolished at all. Not even close. And I’m picky as hell.

Watch looks good. Case, bracelet, dial and hands look good. Also using the correct 593 endlinks. I doubt the insert is original, however. If it is, the pearl has been replaced, as these are known to fall out on older subs.

Curious to know the asking price, considering it’s naked.

alwayshere · 23 July 2024, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by 0nly5iv3Digits

I would not call this overpolished at all. Not even close. And I’m picky as hell.

Watch looks good. Case, bracelet, dial and hands look good. Also using the correct 593 endlinks. I doubt the insert is original, however. If it is, the pearl has been replaced, as these are known to fall out on older subs.

Curious to know the asking price, considering it’s naked.

really? not the crown guards?

0nly5iv3Digits · 23 July 2024, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by alwayshere

really? not the crown guards?

Sure, CGs are a tad thin, but overall this case is in nice condition to be sure.

Swearengen · 23 July 2024, 06:17 PM

Looks like service replacement hands, possible not tritium?

IS2000 · 23 July 2024, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by 0nly5iv3Digits

I would not call this overpolished at all. Not even close. And I’m picky as hell.

Watch looks good. Case, bracelet, dial and hands look good. Also using the correct 593 endlinks. I doubt the insert is original, however. If it is, the pearl has been replaced, as these are known to fall out on older subs.

Curious to know the asking price, considering it’s naked.

The price is around USD $8.7K which I think is okay. The right upper lug is slightly thinner than the rest.

IS2000 · 23 July 2024, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Swearengen

Looks like service replacement hands, possible not tritium?

The seller stated the hands are tritium. I have seen some examples with lighter colored lume on the hands and they were original.

Swearengen · 23 July 2024, 06:31 PM

Ask for a UV light shot, that would confirm one way or the other. For me the colour mismatch is too much. Here's mine for reference

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Originally Posted by IS2000

The seller stated the hands are tritium. I have seen some examples with lighter colored lume on the hands and they were original.

IS2000 · 23 July 2024, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Swearengen

Ask for a UV light shot, that would confirm one way or the other. For me the colour mismatch is too much. Here's mine for reference

Beautiful watch!

TuRo · 23 July 2024, 07:06 PM

Look like older tritium hands to me...darker lume toward pinion, bluey hue to metal and quite a bit of light tarnishing...i'm slightly doubtful they are orig to watch also btw...

GB2 · 23 July 2024, 07:50 PM

I have a doubt about the insert.
IMHO, it is a flat four for 16610. You need a semi flat four long tail serif insert.

My 2cts

TuRo · 23 July 2024, 08:20 PM

Here’s a few, you can see different dial, hands, insert hues - terrible phone photo I know.

GB2 · 23 July 2024, 09:17 PM

Thanks Turo. I know the different dials... But i have always a doubt for the insert.
Best regards

springer · 23 July 2024, 11:32 PM

Some of these reviews here were spot on. The hands appear to have been changed at some point in time and the bezel insert is later than an early 1980s insert. The case has been polished but appears respectable to me. The dial is an original circa 1982 matte dial.

For the price paid, I'd say the buyer paid a reasonable price for this example.

Below is an example from 1982 found in my photo archives.

Texasjim · 24 July 2024, 10:13 PM

Nice watch for a nice price.

GB2 · 25 July 2024, 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by springer

Some of these reviews here were spot on. The hands appear to have been changed at some point in time and the bezel insert is later than an early 1980s insert. The case has been polished but appears respectable to me. The dial is an original circa 1982 matte dial.

For the price paid, I'd say the buyer paid a reasonable price for this example.

Below is an example from 1982 found in my photo archives.

Thanks ! I agree with you.
Your watch has is a semi flat four long tail serif insert.

springer · 25 July 2024, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by GB2

Thanks ! I agree with you.
Your watch has is a semi flat four long tail serif insert.

Wow, I never knew that about the insert. I guess that made it extra special!

GB2 · 26 July 2024, 12:47 AM

Sorry, but I don't have another way to describe this 4...

IS2000 · 26 July 2024, 04:40 PM

Thank you for your helpful advices. I already picked up the watch and it’s my first vintage Rolex piece.

Swearengen · 26 July 2024, 08:18 PM

I hope you enjoy your new watch

XavierM · 26 July 2024, 10:53 PM

Congrats and enjoy!
Later handset (lume buble on the second hand is too far from the center) and insert I would say.
Most probably a 90s service.

23 July 2024, 04:38 PM	#6
0nly5iv3Digits "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: EARTH Watch: What is "watch"? Posts: 1,089	I would not call this overpolished at all. Not even close. And I’m picky as hell. Watch looks good. Case, bracelet, dial and hands look good. Also using the correct 593 endlinks. I doubt the insert is original, however. If it is, the pearl has been replaced, as these are known to fall out on older subs. Curious to know the asking price, considering it’s naked. __________________ “UNpolished or I’m not interested” 😎 2FA Enabled

23 July 2024, 06:17 PM	#9
Swearengen "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Real Name: Gabriel Location: London, UK Posts: 1,851	Looks like service replacement hands, possible not tritium? __________________ 1680 1675 16800 16570 16710 17000 16613 17013 Gone but not forgotten 16610LV 1016 16234

23 July 2024, 07:06 PM	#14
TuRo "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2022 Real Name: Paul Location: Cantabrigia - G.B Watch: ing the detectives Posts: 2,720	Look like older tritium hands to me...darker lume toward pinion, bluey hue to metal and quite a bit of light tarnishing...i'm slightly doubtful they are orig to watch also btw... __________________ As silent as car lights that move across this room As cold as our bodies silhouetted by the moon I would lie awake and wonder, Is it just me or this the way love is supposed to be? THE THE - Kingdom of Rain.

23 July 2024, 08:20 PM	#16
TuRo "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2022 Real Name: Paul Location: Cantabrigia - G.B Watch: ing the detectives Posts: 2,720	Here’s a few, you can see different dial, hands, insert hues - terrible phone photo I know. __________________ As silent as car lights that move across this room As cold as our bodies silhouetted by the moon I would lie awake and wonder, Is it just me or this the way love is supposed to be? THE THE - Kingdom of Rain.

24 July 2024, 10:13 PM	#19
Texasjim 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Real Name: Jim Location: Lone Star State Watch: ...this! Posts: 181	Nice watch for a nice price. __________________ 114060, 116010lv, 126710BLRO, 126600, 126610, 116600, 8x 5513, 4x 1675, 2x16610, 2x 1680, 16800, 16610LV, 14060M, 16710, 116500, 16803, 5512, 114300, 1016, 116520, x2 6536, 6205

23 July 2024, 02:49 PM	#3
alwayshere "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Australia Posts: 1,551	Need better pics of the dial to be honest. The rest looks okay to me.

23 July 2024, 03:06 PM	#5
alwayshere "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Australia Posts: 1,551	Looks fine. The case as you have already identified, has been polished - slightly overpolished but i'm sure you have factored that in terms of price.

23 July 2024, 07:50 PM	#15
GB2 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Paris Posts: 58	I have a doubt about the insert. IMHO, it is a flat four for 16610. You need a semi flat four long tail serif insert. My 2cts

23 July 2024, 09:17 PM	#17
GB2 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Paris Posts: 58	Thanks Turo. I know the different dials... But i have always a doubt for the insert. Best regards

26 July 2024, 12:47 AM	#22
GB2 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Paris Posts: 58	Sorry, but I don't have another way to describe this 4...

26 July 2024, 08:18 PM	#24
Swearengen "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Real Name: Gabriel Location: London, UK Posts: 1,851	I hope you enjoy your new watch __________________ 1680 1675 16800 16570 16710 17000 16613 17013 Gone but not forgotten 16610LV 1016 16234

26 July 2024, 10:53 PM	#25
XavierM "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Paris, France Posts: 380	Congrats and enjoy! Later handset (lume buble on the second hand is too far from the center) and insert I would say. Most probably a 90s service. __________________ Instagram: @vert_eternel

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