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etp	10 March 2018 06:28 AM

Thoughts on this 1680 Red Sub

I found a 1680 Red Submariner, and it seems great - but as anything with vintage, the devil is in the details. Any chance anyone sees any issues with this example?

https://i.imgur.com/SoXb0Vx.jpg

Here are the rest of the photos.

The serial is 3.8 so it is from 1973.

I found this thread talking about serial numbers being re-engraved. I didn't think to look at that when I saw it earlier - will definitely check again before pulling the trigger.

Thanks in advance for your help :cheers:

HERITAGE82

10 March 2018 07:00 AM

The end pieces are wrong for that model. Should be 580 not 501. I am no expert on the other details so I’ll let the others chime in.

etp	10 March 2018 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by HERITAGE82 (Post 8355363)

The end pieces are wrong for that model. Should be 580 not 501. I am no expert on the other details so I’ll let the others chime in.

Ah good to know. Thanks for the heads up, much appreciated

etp	10 March 2018 01:38 PM

Chewbacca

10 March 2018 02:03 PM

i'm no expert but if you buy it, send it to rsc right away solely for a report card with no work authorized. ask the seller to pay for the rsc bill if there's anything glaring which affects the value in a materially big way.

if its not original where it counts, it could be a problem.

etp	10 March 2018 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Chewbacca (Post 8356414)

Good idea - I'm definitely doing my hw to make sure it lines up. The comment on the bracelet above definitely has my attention. If that's not right, what else isn't?

soxfan39

10 March 2018 03:12 PM

Here's the best resource I've found when looking at red subs. http://www.drsd.com/watch-info/red-sub/redsub.html

etp	10 March 2018 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by soxfan39 (Post 8356544)

Here's the best resource I've found when looking at red subs. http://www.drsd.com/watch-info/red-sub/redsub.html

Brilliant, thanks!

I think the tricky part with these vintage pieces is that the scammers will also find these resources and use them to modify the piece. I just don't know the tell tale signs of those tricks.:thinking:

railgrail

11 March 2018 12:11 AM

a couple of white specs in the dial -- i would look carefully at those as they impact the value. (one spec between 5 and 6 o'clock and one bigger spec between 12 and 1.)

Autavian

11 March 2018 12:45 AM

What you have there is an MK6 dial, relumed hands, and a service insert. Always check your lug engravings and caseback. Good luck.

E

etp	11 March 2018 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Autavian (Post 8357350)

What you have there is an MK6 dial, relumed hands, and a service insert. Always check your lug engravings and caseback. Good luck.

E

What are the signs of the service insert?

I would have also missed the relumed hands. Definitely passing on this one. If you are around Europe, I owe you a beer.

springer

11 March 2018 02:18 AM

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Originally Posted by HERITAGE82 (Post 8355363)

The end pieces are wrong for that model. Should be 580 not 501. I am no expert on the other details so I’ll let the others chime in.

For clarity, the complete bracelet is not original therefore not correct. The bracelet is much later than the watch.

The correct bracelet would be the 9315.

springer

11 March 2018 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Autavian (Post 8357350)

What you have there is an MK6 dial, relumed hands, and a service insert. Always check your lug engravings and caseback. Good luck.

E

You forgot the service bracelet. 93150 Oysters were not original for the early 1970s Submariners.

southtexas

11 March 2018 03:58 AM

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Originally Posted by etp (Post 8357369)

What are the signs of service insert

The shape of the 4.

etp	11 March 2018 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by southtexas (Post 8358012)

The shape of the 4.

Ahh I see what you mean. Compared to a few 1680 with VI dial, I see 3 differences in that 4. The one I found on the left vs the other two-

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