Thoughts on this 1680 Red Sub

[etp]

I found a 1680 Red Submariner, and it seems great - but as anything with vintage, the devil is in the details. Any chance anyone sees any issues with this example?



Here are the rest of the photos.

The serial is 3.8 so it is from 1973.

I found this thread talking about serial numbers being re-engraved. I didn't think to look at that when I saw it earlier - will definitely check again before pulling the trigger.

Thanks in advance for your help

[HERITAGE82]

The end pieces are wrong for that model. Should be 580 not 501. I am no expert on the other details so I’ll let the others chime in.

[etp]

Originally Posted by HERITAGE82

The end pieces are wrong for that model. Should be 580 not 501. I am no expert on the other details so I’ll let the others chime in.

Ah good to know. Thanks for the heads up, much appreciated

[etp]

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Crown & Lugs







The bracelet

[Chewbacca]

i'm no expert but if you buy it, send it to rsc right away solely for a report card with no work authorized. ask the seller to pay for the rsc bill if there's anything glaring which affects the value in a materially big way.

if its not original where it counts, it could be a problem.

[etp]

Originally Posted by Chewbacca

i'm no expert but if you buy it, send it to rsc right away solely for a report card with no work authorized. ask the seller to pay for the rsc bill if there's anything glaring which affects the value in a materially big way.

if its not original where it counts, it could be a problem.

Good idea - I'm definitely doing my hw to make sure it lines up. The comment on the bracelet above definitely has my attention. If that's not right, what else isn't?

[soxfan39]

Here's the best resource I've found when looking at red subs. http://www.drsd.com/watch-info/red-sub/redsub.html

[etp]

Originally Posted by soxfan39

Here's the best resource I've found when looking at red subs. http://www.drsd.com/watch-info/red-sub/redsub.html

Brilliant, thanks!

I think the tricky part with these vintage pieces is that the scammers will also find these resources and use them to modify the piece. I just don't know the tell tale signs of those tricks.

[railgrail]

a couple of white specs in the dial -- i would look carefully at those as they impact the value. (one spec between 5 and 6 o'clock and one bigger spec between 12 and 1.)

[Autavian]

What you have there is an MK6 dial, relumed hands, and a service insert. Always check your lug engravings and caseback. Good luck.

E

[etp]

Originally Posted by Autavian

What you have there is an MK6 dial, relumed hands, and a service insert. Always check your lug engravings and caseback. Good luck.

E

What are the signs of the service insert?

I would have also missed the relumed hands. Definitely passing on this one. If you are around Europe, I owe you a beer.

[springer]

Originally Posted by HERITAGE82

The end pieces are wrong for that model. Should be 580 not 501. I am no expert on the other details so I’ll let the others chime in.

For clarity, the complete bracelet is not original therefore not correct. The bracelet is much later than the watch.

The correct bracelet would be the 9315.

[springer]

Originally Posted by Autavian

What you have there is an MK6 dial, relumed hands, and a service insert. Always check your lug engravings and caseback. Good luck.

E

You forgot the service bracelet. 93150 Oysters were not original for the early 1970s Submariners.

[southtexas]

Originally Posted by etp

What are the signs of service insert

The shape of the 4.

[etp]

Originally Posted by southtexas

The shape of the 4.

Ahh I see what you mean. Compared to a few 1680 with VI dial, I see 3 differences in that 4. The one I found on the left vs the other two-