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captiva · 5 March 2012, 12:03 AM

Hi, I am currently wearing a DSSD and considering mine 1st PAM.

I would like to seek advices on the pros and cons on 111 and 312.

how about in terms of stripe changing, is it easy?

Or you guys have any model to recommend, my budget is less than 8k.

kilyung · 5 March 2012, 12:37 AM

Easy. 312 and strap changes are a toothpick away vs fooling with screws/threads.

VetteBandit · 5 March 2012, 01:09 AM

Both good choices. Different cases, different functions.

Do you want a date function?

I went with the 111. On my skinny wrists it worked better IMO. Mike brings up a good point. The 312 is much easier for strap changes. I wish they would make a 111 with quick release pins.

Cru Jones · 5 March 2012, 02:54 AM

Since you sport a DSSD you shouldn't have an issue with the 1950s case, so, 312 is a great choice. I have the quick change system on my 164 and changing straps is a breeze.

Watchdog · 5 March 2012, 04:53 AM

Both incredible but different in their appearance. I think I prefer the balance of the 111 but I like the auto function of the 312. Plus the strap change makes a big difference too.

B. Doggy · 5 March 2012, 05:09 AM

Hard choice. Probably the 312 between those two. Either are great though.

mfer · 5 March 2012, 05:12 AM

I prefer the non-1950 case and love bases. I'd also consider 000, 112, 176, etc

p_mcgee · 5 March 2012, 06:20 AM

312, too thick for me but if a DSSD works, 312 should as well

captiva · 5 March 2012, 08:19 PM

What about a 104? Is it tough to change the stripe?

I been very new to Pam. Apologised for asking stupid questions.

PanosI · 5 March 2012, 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kilyung

Easy. 312 and strap changes are a toothpick away vs fooling with screws/threads.

X2

Psmith · 5 March 2012, 08:54 PM

Well, I'll go with the TRF standard response of 'get both'. Then you'll have two quite different yet lovely watches. Perhaps start with the 312 for easy strap changes and auto convenience. Something to be aware of is that the 111 does not hack, which can be off-putting for some.

To compare the 312 with your DSSD, you may find these pics (thanks to Saif/CorruptedSanity) useful...

nauticajoe · 5 March 2012, 10:53 PM

The 312 has my vote.

bgriz · 6 March 2012, 10:15 AM

312

toulouse · 6 March 2012, 10:48 AM

I'd say 312. In house movement, non-cyclops date, 1950s case, quick strap change. It's an awesome watch.

nick c · 6 March 2012, 10:50 AM

312

HDHNTER · 6 March 2012, 11:22 AM

The 312

joleel7 · 6 March 2012, 12:36 PM

I have DSSD and a PAM 416.. I like my PAM with manual wind but it is personal choice

Have you considered a PAM 233?

LNX · 6 March 2012, 12:53 PM

312 was what I was looking at for my first Panerai, but I just bought a 177 (titanium version of 111) over the weekend. It's being shipped now. I liked the non 1950s case better and decided I could live without the date.

Not that I am going to sit around staring at the back of my case, but the 111's back is frickin beautiful. It is going to be a pleasure to wind every couple days and I look forward to the ritual.

slik_234 · 6 March 2012, 03:29 PM

Love the 1950 case. Initially considered 111 but got great deal on 321. Never look back and happy decided to go with 321. Especially with brushed case. Similar reason when I flipped my GMT IIC for Sub-C. Try them both on so you can tell which one smiles back to you. I found thicker case of 1950 is not an issue for me with smaller wrist. The lug width and strap make difference compared to DSSD in term how they sit on my wrist.

provatocj · 7 March 2012, 12:38 PM

I vote for the 312. I love the 1950's case. I have a 321. Same movement and case. I love it!

Atomant · 7 March 2012, 01:18 PM

Tough choice. Both very eligible watches. I'd personally pick the ETA based 111.

HDHNTER · 7 March 2012, 01:28 PM

MortgageGuy · 7 March 2012, 03:01 PM

312 IMO too

Explorertwo · 7 March 2012, 04:28 PM

One vote for the 111 here, love the clean dial en lum case. Super reliable!
Cheers!

andrew79 · 7 March 2012, 04:41 PM

vote 111, biased, but for me, you can't go wrong with both.

Steel28 · 8 March 2012, 12:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andrew79

vote 111, biased, but for me, you can't go wrong with both.

+1 on 111, biased here as well

Oyster Al · 8 March 2012, 01:26 AM

111 is a well balanced classic

Jibba · 8 March 2012, 02:12 AM

111 was my first and only to this point, but i have to admit that i really want the 312. been closed to flipping on a couple occasions.

LNX · 8 March 2012, 07:21 AM

Woo hoo! Just received my 177 in the mail today. Formal unboxing to follow from home tonight with wrist pics. Now where they heck are all those additional straps I ordered!

toulouse · 8 March 2012, 09:00 AM

Congrats on an amazing watch!

5 March 2012, 12:03 AM	#1
captiva Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: US Posts: 138	1st Pam 111 or 312 Hi, I am currently wearing a DSSD and considering mine 1st PAM. I would like to seek advices on the pros and cons on 111 and 312. how about in terms of stripe changing, is it easy? Or you guys have any model to recommend, my budget is less than 8k.

5 March 2012, 01:09 AM	#3
VetteBandit "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Real Name: JP Location: USA Watch: All of them! Posts: 917	Both good choices. Different cases, different functions. Do you want a date function? I went with the 111. On my skinny wrists it worked better IMO. Mike brings up a good point. The 312 is much easier for strap changes. I wish they would make a 111 with quick release pins. __________________ ********************************* "Eveyone has a plan until they get punched in the face." Instagram: @30threejosh

5 March 2012, 05:09 AM	#6
B. Doggy "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Real Name: Bryan Location: Oregon Posts: 7,399	Hard choice. Probably the 312 between those two. Either are great though. __________________ Rolex / Panerai / Omega

5 March 2012, 05:12 AM	#7
mfer "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Real Name: Mik Location: USA Posts: 13,724	I prefer the non-1950 case and love bases. I'd also consider 000, 112, 176, etc __________________ member#3242

5 March 2012, 08:54 PM	#11
Psmith "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Real Name: Clive Location: Exoplanet Watch: spring-driven Posts: 38,855	Well, I'll go with the TRF standard response of 'get both'. Then you'll have two quite different yet lovely watches. Perhaps start with the 312 for easy strap changes and auto convenience. Something to be aware of is that the 111 does not hack, which can be off-putting for some. To compare the 312 with your DSSD, you may find these pics (thanks to Saif/CorruptedSanity) useful... Attached Images __________________

5 March 2012, 12:37 AM	#2
kilyung "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Cave Watch: Sundial Posts: 33,962	Easy. 312 and strap changes are a toothpick away vs fooling with screws/threads.

5 March 2012, 02:54 AM	#4
Cru Jones 2025 TitaniumYM Pledge Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: CET Posts: 36,335	Since you sport a DSSD you shouldn't have an issue with the 1950s case, so, 312 is a great choice. I have the quick change system on my 164 and changing straps is a breeze.

5 March 2012, 04:53 AM	#5
Watchdog "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Real Name: Junkyard Dog Location: The Doghouse Watch: I can't tell time Posts: 6,852	Both incredible but different in their appearance. I think I prefer the balance of the 111 but I like the auto function of the 312. Plus the strap change makes a big difference too.

5 March 2012, 06:20 AM	#8
p_mcgee "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Chicago Posts: 2,150	312, too thick for me but if a DSSD works, 312 should as well

5 March 2012, 08:19 PM	#9
captiva Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: US Posts: 138	What about a 104? Is it tough to change the stripe? I been very new to Pam. Apologised for asking stupid questions.

5 March 2012, 10:53 PM	#12
nauticajoe "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Real Name: Joe Location: PA Posts: 14,773	The 312 has my vote.

6 March 2012, 10:15 AM	#13
bgriz "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Real Name: Brian Location: Chicagoland Watch: ing the markets Posts: 2,194	312 __________________ 126600 SD43 Red 126710BLRO GMT II PEPSI 178274 Midsize DJ Rhodium/Roman- Hers 126334 DJ41 in blue, fluted, on jubilee 116509 Daytona WG Panda 114060 Sub no date 126621 YM Chocolate dial Root Beer 126710BLNR Batman 126613LB Bluesy 126711CHNR GMT II Root Beer

6 March 2012, 10:48 AM	#14
toulouse Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Real Name: Tony Location: USA Watch: 210, GMT2C Posts: 499	I'd say 312. In house movement, non-cyclops date, 1950s case, quick strap change. It's an awesome watch.

6 March 2012, 10:50 AM	#15
nick c Banned Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Canada Posts: 26,845	312

6 March 2012, 11:22 AM	#16
HDHNTER "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Real Name: Allen Location: SC Posts: 2,766	The 312

6 March 2012, 12:36 PM	#17
joleel7 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Real Name: Joey Location: Canada Watch: DSSD, PAM, BALL Posts: 869	I have DSSD and a PAM 416.. I like my PAM with manual wind but it is personal choice Have you considered a PAM 233?

6 March 2012, 12:53 PM	#18
LNX Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Chicago Watch: Panerai 177 Posts: 135	312 was what I was looking at for my first Panerai, but I just bought a 177 (titanium version of 111) over the weekend. It's being shipped now. I liked the non 1950s case better and decided I could live without the date. Not that I am going to sit around staring at the back of my case, but the 111's back is frickin beautiful. It is going to be a pleasure to wind every couple days and I look forward to the ritual.

6 March 2012, 03:29 PM	#19
slik_234 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Jakarta Watch: Sub 116610-PAM321 Posts: 63	Love the 1950 case. Initially considered 111 but got great deal on 321. Never look back and happy decided to go with 321. Especially with brushed case. Similar reason when I flipped my GMT IIC for Sub-C. Try them both on so you can tell which one smiles back to you. I found thicker case of 1950 is not an issue for me with smaller wrist. The lug width and strap make difference compared to DSSD in term how they sit on my wrist.

7 March 2012, 12:38 PM	#20
provatocj "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Chris Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 83	Pam 312 I vote for the 312. I love the 1950's case. I have a 321. Same movement and case. I love it!

7 March 2012, 01:18 PM	#21
Atomant "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Fernwood Posts: 3,455	Tough choice. Both very eligible watches. I'd personally pick the ETA based 111. __________________ 116613LN 16600SD 16610LV 116710 16710 16570 Speedy 3570.50 PAM25 Oris TT1 and a bunch of G-Shocks. Flipped: Daytona 116520 Seamaster 2231.80

7 March 2012, 01:28 PM	#22
HDHNTER "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Real Name: Allen Location: SC Posts: 2,766

7 March 2012, 03:01 PM	#23
MortgageGuy "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Real Name: Adam Location: Orlando, Florida Watch: Me Posts: 9,934	312 IMO too __________________ The richest people in the world look for and build NETWORKS, Everyone else looks for work... Robert Kiyosaki

7 March 2012, 04:28 PM	#24
Explorertwo "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Real Name: Tom Location: Lowlands Watch: White 'n Black Posts: 641	One vote for the 111 here, love the clean dial en lum case. Super reliable! Cheers!

7 March 2012, 04:41 PM	#25
andrew79 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Real Name: Andrew Location: Indonesia Watch: Rolex Posts: 2,277	vote 111, biased, but for me, you can't go wrong with both. __________________ Baume & Mercier Riviera Rolex GMT II c, DJ 116234, Sub 16610, EXP 2 16570 Panerai 111 , 232

8 March 2012, 01:26 AM	#27
Oyster Al "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Real Name: Al Location: USA Posts: 1,582	111 is a well balanced classic

8 March 2012, 02:12 AM	#28
Jibba "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Real Name: Jamie Location: Charlotte, NC Watch: DEEPSEA Posts: 300	111 was my first and only to this point, but i have to admit that i really want the 312. been closed to flipping on a couple occasions. __________________ Jibba DSSD \| Panerai 111

8 March 2012, 07:21 AM	#29
LNX Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Chicago Watch: Panerai 177 Posts: 135	Woo hoo! Just received my 177 in the mail today. Formal unboxing to follow from home tonight with wrist pics. Now where they heck are all those additional straps I ordered!

8 March 2012, 09:00 AM	#30
toulouse Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Real Name: Tony Location: USA Watch: 210, GMT2C Posts: 499	Congrats on an amazing watch!

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