"it's gonna happen" Pacman/Mayweather

[Marciano490]

Originally Posted by Culley22

marciano, what do you give on the size difference? That is my biggest concern for Manny. I think his pressure is key, however, Floyd's counterpunching is the BEST, and he is much bigger than Manny...in fact I was stunned to see the size difference. Recently Floyd has been the smaller fighter, which is one reason I think he was hit more and bullied more (but yet still great defense against those bigger fighters). I do think he is slowing down, but not enough to get caught cleanly...not yet anyways.

100% agree with your take on Manny's "slippage"...BS decision, and Marquez is an all time great. IN boxing, against a pro, it just takes one punch. That happens.

I feel, Floyd's size will be his biggest advantage.

Floyd is the bigger fighter - about an inch taller and with a bigger frame. He started out heavier and walks around heavier than Manny.

However, Floyd is not a guy who ever - even in the lower classes - used his size to his advantage except to counterpunch smaller fighters as they came in. That is, if you want to see a bigger fighter who knows how to use his size, look at a guy like Klitschko, who physically dominates his opponents - pushing them back, leaning on them, shoving them into the ropes, wrestling them in clinches. Dealing with that physical exertion can wear a fighter down into the middle and later rounds.

However, Floyd doesn't like to scrum. He doesn't do much in clinches, doesn't lean on opponents, doesn't like to push them into the ropes or manhandle them.

Like I said, the only instance in which he leverages his size is using his reach advantage to make opponents come to him, and strafing them on the way in. However, that's not so much of a size issue as a strategy; he likes to counterpunch. Moreover, even with his size advantage, he doesn't have more power than Manny, so the one-off shots aren't going to wear Manny down. They may discourage him, as they did Oscar, but frankly Manny has more heart than Oscar did - especially at that point in his career - and is not going to be detered by Floyd's counterpunching.

The fight will be won or lost on the inside. Manny will have to continually work his way in. He'll need to go back to working angles like he used to; he has the best footwork of any athlete in any sport. It's uncanny. If he can jump to Floyd's flank, especially against the ropes, he'll be able to land effective shots and hurt Floyd. If Floyd is able to keep his back off the ropes, and Manny at a distance, he'll win.

[Manofsteelpt]

Awesome write ups Marciano, thanks for sharing!

[Runnin' Rebel]

Marciano, please
Can you expand on the southpaw advantage, especially since Mayweather likes to roll off the opponents shoulder. That and Manny has a cannon in his left hand could this cause Mayweather problems ?

I know he's beat southpaws before, but not like the punching power of Manny in that regards

Thanks !!

Sniper vs Cannon

[Marciano490]

Originally Posted by Runnin' Rebel

Marciano, please
Can you expand on the southpaw advantage, especially since Mayweather likes to roll off the opponents shoulder. That and Manny has a cannon in his left hand could this cause Mayweather problems ?

I know he's beat southpaws before, but not like the punching power of Manny in that regards

Thanks !!

Sniper vs Cannon

Great question.

The southpaw advantage will largely be mitigated by the fact that Mayweather's best punch is the lead right hand, which is the most effective weapon against a southpaw.

Southpaws generally have an advantage because of their scarcity; there are fewer lefties, so most fighters coming up don't learn how to box against them. Not only do the punches come in "backwards," but you have to change your footwork to make sure that your lead foot is always outside the southpaw's front foot to mitigate the power from their left cross.

Mayweather is a master of positioning. The fact that Manny is lefty is not going to cause him any trouble because he will be able to adjust seamlessly. Also, as you noted, Floyd has plenty of experience against southpaws. He's not some amateur or newly-minted pro. He's had time over the last 30 years to learn how to maneuver against and defend against southpaws.

The greater problem will likely be Manny's ability to switch to righty, which he pulls off well due to his superior footwork. He's not ambidextrous the way Crawford is or Jones was, but he is a credible threat in a traditional stance. It'll be interesting to see whether Freddie Roach has Manny switch up more than he generally does, especially close in, in order to throw Floyd off his game plan.

An effective technique, which you can try at home, is to start in a southpaw stance, kick out your back foot so your feet are almost parallel, dig to the body with your right hand, then pivot your right foot back so you're in a traditional stance and throw a 1-2-3 from there while your opponent is suddenly out of position and forced to adjust.

[Marciano490]

Also, for those interested in boxing, NBC has a great free card in April featuring Danny Garcia vs. Lamont Peterson and Andy Lee vs. Peter Quillin. Both will be action fights featuring boxers with plus power.

[Culley22]

I'm a boxing fan. Got HBO and Showtime just for the boxing.

That is a pretty good card NBC will be having!

[jolimont]

Marciano

Great read cheers

[Runnin' Rebel]

"Tickets for the fight at the MGM Grand have yet to go on sale but will carry a record price of $1,500 to $7,500. Promoters say there will be some sales to the public, but they are expected to be very limited."

Quote taken from the news today

[seand442]

And I think I read the PPV will be $99 for HD and $89 for SD. The mountain of money this is generating is insane.

[mtrunner]

Originally Posted by seand442

And I think I read the PPV will be $99 for HD and $89 for SD. The mountain of money this is generating is insane.

It's insane. The previous record was $75. Who would go the SD route to save a whooping $10?

[Runnin' Rebel]

Mayweather is -180
Pacman is + 150
Over/under at 11.5 rounds
Over 11.5 is -330
Under 11.5 is +270

So if you like Mayweather, he's on sale at those odds. Go Get Sum

[Manofsteelpt]

BIG change from opening, Everyone's buying Pacman... hope he KO's May too!

[andromeda160]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/box...-Pacquiao.html

50 cent has faith xD

[Runnin' Rebel]

Fight tickets and what's going on with them:

http://m.lasvegassun.com/news/2015/a...icket-be-seen/

[mtrunner]

Originally Posted by Runnin' Rebel

Fight tickets and what's going on with them:

http://m.lasvegassun.com/news/2015/a...icket-be-seen/

Would you expect anything less? It doesn't seem Mayweather can ever make anything easy. I really wish he would get his ass handed to him.

[aria]

Odds from the day it was announced. At the mgm grand sportsbook

[azguy]

Those are great (cheap) odds on Mayweather, should -300 if you ask me.

Pacman is a shell of his former self, fight won't be close or entertaining if you ask me.

[aria]

It will be a split decision points win for mayweather

[otisc]

I'm taking Pacquiao. Just watch Mayweahter-Donaire I to see how it's going to go down, except with power from the lefty.

[Britexpat76]

I don't understand the American odds but have backed Mayweather to win on decision at 4/6 and as an outside bet I have had a few £££'s on the draw at 20/1. Unfortunately I cannot see Pacman winning.

[powerfunk]

Originally Posted by Britexpat76

I don't understand the American odds but have backed Mayweather to win on decision at 4/6 and as an outside bet I have had a few £££'s on the draw at 20/1. Unfortunately I cannot see Pacman winning.

Move the decimal point two places to the left. Minus sign equals "divided by;" plus sign equals "multiply by."

So if you bet 1 dollar at -300 your winnings are 1÷3.00. Plus your original dollar of course.

[Britexpat76]

Originally Posted by powerfunk

Move the decimal point two places to the left. Minus sign equals "divided by;" plus sign equals "multiply by."

So if you bet 1 dollar at -300 your winnings are 1÷3.00. Plus your original dollar of course.

Thanks for that. So Pacman is essentially 2/1 and Mayweather 33/100

The UK odds are 4/9 for mayweather and 15/8 Pacman

Way better odds this side of the pond for Mayweather then.

[powerfunk]

Originally Posted by Britexpat76

Thanks for that. So Pacman is essentially 2/1 and Mayweather 33/100

The UK odds are 4/9 for mayweather and 15/8 Pacman

Way better odds this side of the pond for Mayweather then.

Those odds were when it opened; now it's Mayweather -205 (49/100) and Manny +175 (7/4) according to VegasInsider.

[Britexpat76]

Originally Posted by powerfunk

Those odds were when it opened; now it's Mayweather -205 (49/100) and Manny +175 (7/4) according to VegasInsider.

I still see more from this fight, I see a rematch after a draw or controversial points win for mayweather. With so much $$$$ involved I'm sure they will aim to get 2 fights........ I can't wait to see it.


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[aria]

Is anybody going to the fight?

[codecow]

Originally Posted by Runnin' Rebel

Mayweather is -180
Pacman is + 150
Over/under at 11.5 rounds
Over 11.5 is -330
Under 11.5 is +270

So if you like Mayweather, he's on sale at those odds. Go Get Sum

BAH. I was in Vegas last month and he was -280 I think, I didn't bet at those odds because it was too much outlay. I will be in Lake Tahoe on Saturday though, hmm.... Interestingly a roulette dealer at Mandalay Bay suggested to me he thought it would be a no contest so they can sell the fight twice. I like his twisted thinking.

[GoingPlaces]

This would have been a great fight 5 years ago. Nevertheless, Pacman not the same fighter, distractions alone not to mention age a factor. And yes, I too can see a re match for whatever reason.

[otisc]

As a former boxing writer and longtime boxing bettor, I'll say two things about the odds:

They are merely a reflection of where the money is coming in, although they are more often misinterpreted as a reflection on "who Vegas thinks is going to win the fight." The betting line is merely a calculation that allows the house to make money on both sides of the event.

No serious bettor of boxing will place *any* bet prior to the weigh-in. Even though this is fight where neither man will struggle to make weight, betting before the weigh-in is a fool's game. Once they weigh in, you look at the odds before the weigh-in and the odds a few hours before fight time, then you subtract the move (if any) to determine who your *real* favorite is.

[codecow]

Originally Posted by otisc

As a former boxing writer and longtime boxing bettor, I'll say two things about the odds:

They are merely a reflection of where the money is coming in, although they are more often misinterpreted as a reflection on "who Vegas thinks is going to win the fight." The betting line is merely a calculation that allows the house to make money on both sides of the event.

No serious bettor of boxing will place *any* bet prior to the weigh-in. Even though this is fight where neither man will struggle to make weight, betting before the weigh-in is a fool's game. Once they weigh in, you look at the odds before the weigh-in and the odds a few hours before fight time, then you subtract the move (if any) to determine who your *real* favorite is.

I box at the club level and the way I saw the fight going was exactly how the odds were stacked when I showed up in town to the point where the price wasn't worth it.

I agree with what you're saying though. The best I ever did betting on boxing was on Donaire vs. Montiel. Nonito never looked in better shape than he looked for that fight at weigh-ins and since he did some training at the club I go to I got to see his media workout. I collected the win bet and 3 props.

[Runnin' Rebel]

Originally Posted by codecow

BAH. I was in Vegas last month and he was -280 I think, I didn't bet at those odds because it was too much outlay. I will be in Lake Tahoe on Saturday though, hmm.... Interestingly a roulette dealer at Mandalay Bay suggested to me he thought it would be a no contest so they can sell the fight twice. I like his twisted thinking.

Yeah, cause roulette dealers are in the know lol. I wouldn't lay 280 on Mayweather, but, 180 might temp me if I was a betting man