J.Bond back to Rolex!!

[simbal]

The green looks good on Bond!!

[watchboy]

I did not read all the posts here but just quickly browse thru.....

I think the bottom line is: Rolex pays more than Omega.

I cannot think of otherwise.

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Jacky

[delldeaton]

Originally Posted by Quicksilver

There is some fascinating speculation here. Truly, the situation is becoming more tangled than any international intrigue in which Bond was involved.

What fascinates me are the obvious statements being made by Craig personally - fairly obviously wearing choice vintage and modern Rolex models - and how that fits in with the Omega sponsorship of Rolex. Someone is buckling against the tyrany of Omega here - I suspec its Craig rather than the film producers.

Put yourself in Craig's shoes. If you, as a Rolex aficionado, are forced to promote Omega on a character you know has a long association with your esteemed brand - how would you feel. Of course you would do it and I am not suggesting that you would seeth with hatred about it (Omega is a fine watch) - but when you are free of the constraints of the film set you might want to cut loose and express yourself in your own way.

It would be interesting to know if Craig has always liked Rolex. Is he truly a Rolex lover. Are there any pics of him pre-Bond wearing a Rolex ?

This just shows the limitations of film sponsorship. Omega don't own Craig. Craig is not an Omega ambassador in the way that George Clooney is - it is the Bond franchise that is the Ambassador. In his personal life Craig can wear what he wants and Omega can't do a thing about it.

Imagine if Craig agreed to become a Rolex ambassador That would put the cat amongst the pidgeons - Omega could not do a damn thing about it, but they could I suppose make trouble with the Bond producers.

I can't see Omega taking Craig to court as reported in Mexico - it would draw attention to an issue which for most people falls way below their radars. Its only us obsessives that care about such things.

Interesting thought about Craig's evident WIS-dom pre-dating his 007 tenure. That would certainly shed a whole new light on the Goldfinger Sub story that seemed to get all these balls rolling. Trivia, I guess, more than anything else. And, that said, I'll note again here that my primary interest in all of this is tied to the implied assumption that Craig + EON relationship = Goldfinger watch ID. But we all have seen the Threads here before about how "public" we want to be about our watches, for whatever the reason, and if this were something that was private to him, I'd want to keep that boundary respected. Could well be that that's behind as much of this as anything else.

Timothy Dalton - who you all know I also quite highly regard as an actor and as a James Bond film actor highly authentic to the original intent of Ian Fleming - he was intensely private about a number of aspects of his personal life, and 007 shocked that. I've often wondered what role that had in his departure from the role.

Don't put much merit in the Mexico story, myself, as you already know.

Craig as Rolex ambassador. Hmm. Well, they had Charleton Heston in at least one ad I have; so it's not unprecedented.

Omega making trouble for the Bond producers? I doubt that's possible nor likely on the part of either. I think the relationships in the case of EON are built on true relationships, and they work so long as they work. Notwithstanding the George Lazenby frictions, I think you can look at the long tenures w/ the key actors and see that for the most part; although, certainly not in all cases.

After the long absense w/out a Bond film following Licence to Kill, the product placement line might not have been extending out the door for GoldenEye. So, maybe some strength of position for Omega then. But I doubt so much now. And, for that matter, I wonder if the ROI for them is as strong now as it was then (the WatchTime reference the other month to performance vis-a-vis the original film and, seemingly, the only quartz watch they featured, gave me pause).

Originally Posted by watchboy

I did not read all the posts here but just quickly browse thru.....

I think the bottom line is: Rolex pays more than Omega.

I cannot think of otherwise.

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Jacky....

You think there is money and/or something else flowing from Rolex here? How? Why?

[BZA]

Originally Posted by delldeaton

As to Fleming's vision of Agent 007, I've already said that I believe in the widest range of interpretation of the literature, Timothy Dalton is the closest.

x2

I've always felt this, ever since seeing the TLD & LTK in the cinema. Fact is audiences didn't get what Dalton was trying to do. He was trying to bring it back to Fleming's vision of Bond.

The panning and media intrusion along with script delays sent Dalton on his way, which was a shame as he is my favourite Bond (but I'm weird, I also loved George Lazenby in OHMSS!).

Fast forward to 2007 and Daniel Craig plays a meaner, tougher Bond and everyone's excited!!! Weren't they watching 20 years ago?!

Anyway, DC's better than Brosnan

To keep it watch-related: Love the GV on him!

[ArizonaHD]

Daniel Craig is not a good bond in my view, these three are better suited for the role. But then again British Intelligence is a sieve for anything pertaining to national security Bond portrays something MI-6 / SIS is most certainly not. The French, the former KGB, and Mossad were all more effective at population control and reconissance.

Sutherland would be good wearing a sub date or a Kobold maybe a Seamaster, Olyphant with a Daytona or a MTM Statham wearing a Exp II Polar, VC Overseas or a Baume Mercier Capeland S

[watchboy]

Originally Posted by delldeaton

You think there is money and/or something else flowing from Rolex here? How? Why?

Money is what actors work for in movies, promotion or premier of their movies. If producers or sponsors wants them to wear a clown costume, they will and have to wear.

If they do not get money from sponsors donning something that their respective sponsors want, then they will be in hot soup.

I do not know how Craig Daniels' agreement with Omega or Rolex but it is all about money. If not they would be like you and me, ordinary folks.

____________________
Jacky

[delldeaton]

Originally Posted by BZA

... Fact is audiences didn't get what Dalton was trying to do. He was trying to bring it back to Fleming's vision of Bond.... Fast forward to 2007 and Daniel Craig plays a meaner, tougher Bond and everyone's excited!!! Weren't they watching 20 years ago?! ....

The beautiful thing about history is that, the younger folks are, the less likely they are to be aware of it or have any interest in it. I agree w/ you completely on the Dalton effort and the seeming lack of notion for it today. And, to go further, it seems to be the same group of people who insist that the longest Bond era, that of Roger Moore, was a complete failure, as was the turnaround era of Brosnan.

I think my bottom line is that, while a comparison or rebuttal in context is not inappropriate, something that builds up by repeatedly beating down alternatives is inherently an inferior argument. I suppose this is why I can both love Rolex as a Bond watch most in concert w/ Ian Fleming's evolving, ultimate vision of his character, and at the same time hold Seiko in high esteem for its more direct role as a timekeeper in catapulting him to phenomenon status in the 1970s.

As far as recent 007 portrayals go, I'd prefer it be kept to objective substance. "The latest Bond is truest to Fleming" is as cliche as "this Bond is different, she stands on her own" - which has been said since Honor Blackman played Pussy Galore in Goldfinger.

Remember: Ian Fleming himself only picked one of the EON Productions James Bond actors, Roger Moore (second only to his preference, if you can call it something that strong, for David Niven).

Originally Posted by ArizonaHD

Daniel Craig is not a good bond in my view, these three are better suited for the role....

Interesting to see Jack Bauer here: My son and I are actually re-watching Season 1 of 24. I've never gotten close enough to the details to confirm this, but I see now and again the insistance that the Rolex Submariner Date he is wearing must be a fake. I dunno. Why wouldn't they have used a real one?

As to portraying 007, I tend to be more of a purist. I think he should be British (or seem to be British - I guess along the lines of Hugh Laurie, who is not American, but place pure American in his House character), as did Albert R. Broccoli when looking to replace each previous Bond. A major mis-step of the Craig-era films in chasing after Bourne. The films are not being successful at doing so, and they've lost what they had as an advantage in going after that blip on the historical radar.

Originally Posted by watchboy

Money is what actors work for in movies, promotion or premier of their movies. If producers or sponsors wants them to wear a clown costume, they will and have to wear.

If they do not get money from sponsors donning something that their respective sponsors want, then they will be in hot soup.

I do not know how Craig Daniels' agreement with Omega or Rolex but it is all about money. If not they would be like you and me, ordinary folks....

Did you ever watch The Sopranos? For some reason when I read this, I flashed on the two guys trying to pitch their movie script to Ben Kingsley and ending up at that party where all the free stuff is given out. Then they end up mugging Lauren Bacall (?) for her basket?

Tony ended up w/ a watch out of it.

[Mr Sandman]

Its well known here in the UK that he is a collector of watches....Its also been rumored that he owns the original Sean Connery Rolex Sub.........given to him as a gift.

[Mr Sandman]

Originally Posted by ArizonaHD

Daniel Craig is not a good bond in my view, these three are better suited for the role. But then again British Intelligence is a sieve for anything pertaining to national security Bond portrays something MI-6 / SIS is most certainly not. The French, the former KGB, and Mossad were all more effective at population control and reconissance.

Sutherland would be good wearing a sub date or a Kobold maybe a Seamaster, Olyphant with a Daytona or a MTM Statham wearing a Exp II Polar, VC Overseas or a Baume Mercier Capeland S

No like that here in the UK.........he has freshened up the Bond theme and kept it totally British.....A well liked actor in a well loved role.

[alphamale2012]

Saw him wearing a daytona on jay leno last night. He's probably a member on this site too.

[Tony-GB]

Originally Posted by watchboy

Money is what actors work for in movies, promotion or premier of their movies. If producers or sponsors wants them to wear a clown costume, they will and have to wear.

If they do not get money from sponsors donning something that their respective sponsors want, then they will be in hot soup.

I do not know how Craig Daniels' agreement with Omega or Rolex but it is all about money. If not they would be like you and me, ordinary folks.

____________________
Jacky

Brosnan was fired by Eon because he did an unsanctioned video game. Bottom line is an actor (or any performer) will do anything for the money.

Or maybe Bond has an Omega as a beater & a Rolex for best.

[Quicksilver]

Originally Posted by Mr Sandman

No like that here in the UK.........he has freshened up the Bond theme and kept it totally British.....A well liked actor in a well loved role.

I agree with Jim 100 %. Craig was a well respected and liked actor in the UK even before Bond. He is an excellent Bond.

Bond should be portrayed by a British or British Isles actor. If he were portrayed by a high profile American star, even one adept at impersonating a British accent, then I believe the Bond franchise would be considerably weakened.

[argee1977]

Here's a question, is Daniel Craig sponsored by Omega or is it just the Bond franchise, i'm pretty sure it's just the franchise which means he is tied in to wear them in the movie, maybe a bit of promotional work but apart from that i doubt he has to wear Omega unless he chooses.

[Quicksilver]

Originally Posted by argee1977

Here's a question, is Daniel Craig sponsored by Omega or is it just the Bond franchise, i'm pretty sure it's just the franchise which means he is tied in to wear them in the movie, maybe a bit of promotional work but apart from that i doubt he has to wear Omega unless he chooses.

I think that's exactly right. The Omega "ambassador" is the Bond franchise - not Craig as an individual. So Craig can wear what he likes when he's "off duty".

[wantonebad]

Originally Posted by Quicksilver

I agree with Jim 100 %. Craig was a well respected and liked actor in the UK even before Bond. He is an excellent Bond.

Bond should be portrayed by a British or British Isles actor. If he were portrayed by a high profile American star, even one adept at impersonating a British accent, then I believe the Bond franchise would be considerably weakened.

Agreed, and at least Craig can act, Sutherland, Olyphant not so much IMHO

[Marrk]

Has this guy ever made a movie where he had hair and didn't have a car?

Just wondering.

[charliec]

Originally Posted by BZA

x2 I've always felt this, ever since seeing the TLD & LTK in the cinema. Fact is audiences didn't get what Dalton was trying to do. He was trying to bring it back to Fleming's vision of Bond.

The panning and media intrusion along with script delays sent Dalton on his way, which was a shame as he is my favourite Bond (but I'm weird, I also loved George Lazenby in OHMSS!).

PLEAAASSSSSEEEEEE !!!!!!!!!! Dalton & Lazenby ???????

In a minute you'll tell me Dirty Dancing and Mama Mia are classics.

[meloncap78]

Originally Posted by DSJ

I'm sure someone's out looking for a "greenish" Omega that they saw on his wrist!

He should get it sized.

[KJacques]

Originally Posted by charliec

PLEAAASSSSSEEEEEE !!!!!!!!!! Dalton & Lazenby ???????

In a minute you'll tell me Dirty Dancing and Mama Mia are classics.

Dalton brought a dangerous edge to Bond that had been missing for nearly 20 years and lost again until Daniel Craig took over. He also brought the deepest characterization and the closest representation to Fleming's creation.

[delldeaton]

Couldn't knock off for the night w/out weighing in once again on this fascinating Thread.

• When it's said there's a rumor that Daniel Craig owns the original Sean Connery Rolex Submariner, I guess that brings two questions to my mind. (1) There was only one? (2) What are the sources of these rumors?
• James Bond should be played by "a British or British Isles actor," as Quicksilver said. Whatever his nationality, when I saw Bruce Payne play the heavy in Passenger 57, I thought he would have made an ideal 007.
• As to the whole Ambassador versus non-Ambassador thing, I guess there's the legal thing and then there is more. Yeah, the legal question seems easy: Brosnan was an Ambassador, which meant certain commitments he signed up for; Craig is not an Ambassador. "James Bond" was and is an Ambassador associated w/ both, which means right related to the use of whatever actor is in that image. Then I get stuck, because I'm not a big one for legaleeze in lieu of considered discussion. Does it help Quantum of Solace for Daniel Craig to wear and talk about a Rolex Submariner during his promotion tour? Clearly this is not an obscure thing; eg, I doubt anyone would ask him what car he drove to the interview, nor expect that it would be an Aston Martin DBS.
• The whole Dalton discussion gets dangerously close for me to a trend I think is counter-productive: One Bond cannot be good w/ out being the first and proving all others bad. Again, I'd be happy to have a novel-by-novel discussion about the characteristics of Bond and line that up against each of the actors who's played the character. My working assumption is that Dalton fits best. I don't think Connery or Moore fits very well at all. Yet, as I've said, Fleming picked Moore at one point. And I thought both were fantastic in certain movies as the cinematic 007.

[ral]

Is that a Daytona D. Craig is wearing this picture?

http://justjared.buzznet.com/gallery...defiant-20.jpg

[Klokke]

Clear as day. GV Milgauss.

[BZA]

Originally Posted by charliec

PLEAAASSSSSEEEEEE !!!!!!!!!! Dalton & Lazenby ???????

In a minute you'll tell me Dirty Dancing and Mama Mia are classics.

he's my favourite Bond - you're welcome to your own!

haven't seen DD or MM - you tell me?

[ArizonaHD]

The question should be why does Craig not conform, look if they were paying me mega bucks and they wanted me to wear a Timex I'd wear it proudly all the time. Unless Craig is not getting any direct renumeration and is wearing the competition in hopes of picking up a few bucks from Omega.

Perhaps I am wrong and people do not really care what the actor that portrays Bond wears or does off screen

Why is there a general dislike of Brosnan? He portrayed the character well, he is an admirable respectable person. He also revived a franchise that was dying under Dalton there was a six year gap, quite a long time. Then there is Connery who defined the franchise, and many are quick to dismiss him, but face it no one has ever packed them into the seats like Sean.

Lets face it as far as the Bond watch goes back in the day the Sub was the only watch that had it all, now many watches from many marques could fill the bill, Omega, Blancpain, Panerai...hmmm, Rolex, MTM, Sinn, Bell & Ross, Oris, Doxa.

You could also argue that back in the day the Walther PPK was one of the better pocket automatics, but time marched on now it simply does not match up to its competition.

It is funny that Dell mentioned the Jack Bauer Submariner issue, I heard that the Sub was authentic, as was the Kobold but the writers had him wear a MTM.

[ral]

I meant this pic... Daytona or Speedy???

[BZA]

Originally Posted by ral

I meant this pic... Daytona or Speedy???

Looks like a Daytona to me - maybe a PN?

[charliec]

Originally Posted by BZA

he's my favourite Bond - you're welcome to your own!

haven't seen DD or MM - you tell me?

I respect your own opinion.

I just didn't get Dalton and neither did a lot of people. He came in when AIDs and promiscuity were gaining enormous press attention so HE felt the need to calm down on the womanising attitude etc. Not that that is what Bond is all about but Dalton came in trying to create a whole new vibe to Bond and I just feel he didn't add any real substance to Bond in any way shape or form.

Lazenby let us not forget wore a kilt (no offence to the Scottish) and tried to speak with a stupid upper class accent for most of the film. Any wonder why the Australian model lasted only 1 film?

With regards Dirty Dancing and Mama Mia...... it's ok.... you can be honest ??

[delldeaton]

Originally Posted by ArizonaHD

The question should be why does Craig not conform, look if they were paying me mega bucks and they wanted me to wear a Timex I'd wear it proudly all the time. Unless Craig is not getting any direct renumeration and is wearing the competition in hopes of picking up a few bucks from Omega.

Perhaps I am wrong and people do not really care what the actor that portrays Bond wears or does off screen

Why is there a general dislike of Brosnan? He portrayed the character well, he is an admirable respectable person. He also revived a franchise that was dying under Dalton there was a six year gap, quite a long time. Then there is Connery who defined the franchise, and many are quick to dismiss him, but face it no one has ever packed them into the seats like Sean.

Lets face it as far as the Bond watch goes back in the day the Sub was the only watch that had it all, now many watches from many marques could fill the bill, Omega, Blancpain, Panerai...hmmm, Rolex, MTM, Sinn, Bell & Ross, Oris, Doxa.

You could also argue that back in the day the Walther PPK was one of the better pocket automatics, but time marched on now it simply does not match up to its competition.

It is funny that Dell mentioned the Jack Bauer Submariner issue, I heard that the Sub was authentic, as was the Kobold but the writers had him wear a MTM.

Excellent point in your first paragraph.

Personally, I think the anti-Brosnan bent is largely driven by folks who feel they can't admire each actor for his unique contribution to the role. Sad.

You're not alone in your argument that the Rolex can and should be judged by the same standards as so many things that evolved even as Ian Fleming was writing his books. Examples: The Soviet Union as "the" adversary was replaced by SPECTRE to make the character more timeless (Fleming didn't think the Cold War would last through the 1960s, if memory serves). The Walther PPK, of course. Would Bond drive a huge Bentley?

Et cetera.

[BZA]

Originally Posted by delldeaton

Personally, I think the anti-Brosnan bent is largely driven by folks who feel they can't admire each actor for his unique contribution to the role. Sad.

Agreed. We should appreciate what each actor brings to the role - I do!

[charliec]

Originally Posted by BZA

Agreed. We should appreciate what each actor brings to the role - I do!

Agreed !!

Like kilts and funny accents!!!