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Matrim604 · 4 May 2009, 03:58 AM

It seems Panerai is working very hard to become a "manufacture" company. They already have some interesting all in-house calibers in production, and seem to be slowly weeding out the ETA based calibers. I'm wondering if you, the Panerai fans, care if the movements in your watches are all-in-house, or one of their "tried tested and true" ETA based calibers that they can offer at a more reasonable price?

The reason i'm asking is I was looking at a PAM 312 the other day, and it's a beautiful watch, but it's list price is a fair bit higher than then PAM 104 with similar looks and functionality. Obviously with the PAM 312 you're getting an all in-house movement with a 3 day power reserve, which for many watch enthusiasts is great news, but Panerai has built it's current fanbase out of a reputation for ruggedness, reliability, and relatively reasonable cost.

Would you pay more for a PAM 312? or would you prefer a 104? (or another Marina based watched out of the Contemporary selection?)

Bebot · 4 May 2009, 04:00 AM

What is the different between the 2?

Trurolexer · 4 May 2009, 04:17 AM

For now, I will go for 312.
But you can't go wrong with 104 of course.
Good luck!!! I smells more Panerai to come in your future...

Mosco · 4 May 2009, 04:34 AM

312 for me.... But as Heru said, can't go wrong with a 104!

Nica64 · 4 May 2009, 05:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trurolexer

For now, I will go for 312.
But you can't go wrong with 104 of course.
Good luck!!! I smells more Panerai to come in your future...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mosco

312 for me.... But as Heru said, can't go wrong with a 104!

X3, as a 104 owner I can tell you that is beautiful watch

The 312 is a in house movement and the price difference is not a lot, I hope I can get one before the end of the year as right now is very hard to get.

TswaneNguni · 4 May 2009, 06:11 AM

The 104 was my first PAM.I had many choices at the time,but the 104 stood out as the one to get.I think that says something about it

It also singlehandedly brought to an end ,my own little Rollie empire.Through the 104 my love for Panerai was born...and others followed.My 104 is extremely special to me

The 312 is also very nice and thats the problem with PAMs ....there are so many thats nice,that we usually end up with quite a few !!!

312 vs 104 ?? The one that tickles your fancy more.Simple !!

londonbagpuss · 4 May 2009, 07:13 AM

I had the same issue when I first got into Pan seriously. I have put my name down for a 312. The price difference in the UK is around £700, so it is a difference but not a crazy difference, what you get for having a 312 instead of the 104 is the in-house. Both the 104 and 312 are excellent choices, I think when you get the chance to try them both on, you will be able to decide what makes your heart beat faster.

B. Doggy · 4 May 2009, 07:29 AM

Yes, I think going in-house with the movement is a great idea!

tuisquash · 4 May 2009, 07:55 AM

i like both, i have a 104 and my next will be a 312.

oyster21 · 4 May 2009, 08:33 AM

Like everybody said, can't go wrong with both.

This is my take, I love 312 because of the new in-house movement. Once I wear my 312, it wears somewhat different compared to other base models. It's merely because of its thick case. I even have to switch to further hole on my straps when wearing 312.
My personal opinion, 312 is sexier because there's no date magnifying glass, smaller second hand and the brushed and polished combination on the finishing.

I'd suggest for you to go to the AD and try them both. See which one sings for you.

Please excuse for my poor 312 picture... taken with iPhone.

Cheers

Eko

bodybump · 4 May 2009, 11:58 AM

go for the in house movement..i think it looks stunning!!!

Ted Su(TW) · 4 May 2009, 12:30 PM

I'll go for the 312 but I don't are much about the movement. It's the fiddy case that gets my vote.

Ted Su(TW)

HKperf · 4 May 2009, 12:43 PM

I like the 312 better but its a very thick piece. it would be a perfect 10 piece only if it was thinner and had domed crystal like the other 1950's.
I guess you can't have a perfect 10 piece..

hflee55 · 4 May 2009, 01:26 PM

312 for me. The fiddy case wins it!

The Second · 4 May 2009, 03:15 PM

I like the 312 for me, i like the small sub seconds dial and the no cyclops.

Trurolexer · 4 May 2009, 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oyster21

BUSET DAH!!! Eko...Bro, You always moved one step more quick than me...

Bring that Beauty to Jakarta, and let your Buddy here drooling...

GBJIV · 4 May 2009, 04:18 PM

I like them both a lot... You can't go wrong...

For me - the older movement is tried and true in thousands of watches. Very accurate and dependable. You can't go wrong...!

Enjoy...

walds11 · 4 May 2009, 07:36 PM

I am with you there. From looking at the specs and pics, it looks thick, but people that reviewed it said it does not wear thick. Yeah right, it is thick anyway you look at it. I need to see one in the flesh before I make a decision.

Quote:

Originally Posted by HKperf

I like the 312 better but its a very thick piece. it would be a perfect 10 piece only if it was thinner and had domed crystal like the other 1950's.
I guess you can't have a perfect 10 piece..

housemad · 4 May 2009, 08:57 PM

Go for the 312...new exellent caliber...the 104 have a magnifiing glass witch is not into the real spirit of Panerai!!!

It was put there by the Richmond tobbacco compagny!

JF23 · 4 May 2009, 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oyster21

Like everybody said, can't go wrong with both.

This is my take, I love 312 because of the new in-house movement. Once I wear my 312, it wears somewhat different compared to other base models. It's merely because of its thick case. I even have to switch to further hole on my straps when wearing 312.
My personal opinion, 312 is sexier because there's no date magnifying glass, smaller second hand and the brushed and polished combination on the finishing.

I'd suggest for you to go to the AD and try them both. See which one sings for you.

Please excuse for my poor 312 picture... taken with iPhone.

Cheers

Eko

Eko you have some WOW pieces...I think we need a group shot! Especially the PVD!

Trurolexer · 4 May 2009, 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JF23

Eko you have some WOW pieces...I think we need a group shot! Especially the PVD!

Amen with that!!! 000, DLC 111 & 312...What a GREAT Collection!!!

oyster21 · 5 May 2009, 01:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JF23

Eko you have some WOW pieces...I think we need a group shot! Especially the PVD!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trurolexer

Amen with that!!! 000, DLC 111 & 312...What a GREAT Collection!!!

My humble collection is nothing near to a perfection

4 May 2009, 03:58 AM	#1
Matrim604 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 578	Do you prefer PAM 104 or PAM 312 It seems Panerai is working very hard to become a "manufacture" company. They already have some interesting all in-house calibers in production, and seem to be slowly weeding out the ETA based calibers. I'm wondering if you, the Panerai fans, care if the movements in your watches are all-in-house, or one of their "tried tested and true" ETA based calibers that they can offer at a more reasonable price? The reason i'm asking is I was looking at a PAM 312 the other day, and it's a beautiful watch, but it's list price is a fair bit higher than then PAM 104 with similar looks and functionality. Obviously with the PAM 312 you're getting an all in-house movement with a 3 day power reserve, which for many watch enthusiasts is great news, but Panerai has built it's current fanbase out of a reputation for ruggedness, reliability, and relatively reasonable cost. Would you pay more for a PAM 312? or would you prefer a 104? (or another Marina based watched out of the Contemporary selection?)

4 May 2009, 04:34 AM	#4
Mosco "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Greg Location: Cincinnati Watch: I like to... Posts: 18,567	312 for me.... But as Heru said, can't go wrong with a 104! __________________ Instagram - @CaliberSwiss *“A man who procrastinates in his choosing will inevitably have his choice made for him by circumstance.” - Hunter S. Thompson*

4 May 2009, 07:29 AM	#8
B. Doggy "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Real Name: Bryan Location: Oregon Posts: 7,399	Yes, I think going in-house with the movement is a great idea! __________________ Rolex / Panerai / Omega

4 May 2009, 07:55 AM	#9
tuisquash "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: tui Location: são paulo-brasil Watch: panerai rolex Posts: 772	i like both, i have a 104 and my next will be a 312. __________________ panerai and rolex

4 May 2009, 08:33 AM	#10
oyster21 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: 2 continents Posts: 198	Like everybody said, can't go wrong with both. This is my take, I love 312 because of the new in-house movement. Once I wear my 312, it wears somewhat different compared to other base models. It's merely because of its thick case. I even have to switch to further hole on my straps when wearing 312. My personal opinion, 312 is sexier because there's no date magnifying glass, smaller second hand and the brushed and polished combination on the finishing. I'd suggest for you to go to the AD and try them both. See which one sings for you. Please excuse for my poor 312 picture... taken with iPhone. Cheers Eko __________________ ------------------------- several watches...

4 May 2009, 04:00 AM	#2
Bebot "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Real Name: Emil Location: Bay Area, CA Watch: U macallit Posts: 2,645	What is the different between the 2?

4 May 2009, 04:17 AM	#3
Trurolexer Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: USA Watch: 5513MaxiI+PreComex Posts: 18,421	For now, I will go for 312. But you can't go wrong with 104 of course. Good luck!!! I smells more Panerai to come in your future...

4 May 2009, 06:11 AM	#6
TswaneNguni "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Real Name: Chris Location: . Watch: Daytonas/Subs/GMTs Posts: 12,609	The 104 was my first PAM.I had many choices at the time,but the 104 stood out as the one to get.I think that says something about it It also singlehandedly brought to an end ,my own little Rollie empire.Through the 104 my love for Panerai was born...and others followed.My 104 is extremely special to me The 312 is also very nice and thats the problem with PAMs ....there are so many thats nice,that we usually end up with quite a few !!! 312 vs 104 ?? The one that tickles your fancy more.Simple !!

4 May 2009, 07:13 AM	#7
londonbagpuss Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: London Posts: 248	I had the same issue when I first got into Pan seriously. I have put my name down for a 312. The price difference in the UK is around £700, so it is a difference but not a crazy difference, what you get for having a 312 instead of the 104 is the in-house. Both the 104 and 312 are excellent choices, I think when you get the chance to try them both on, you will be able to decide what makes your heart beat faster.

4 May 2009, 11:58 AM	#11
bodybump ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ 2025 ? Sponsor & Boutique Seller Join Date: Sep 2008 Real Name: Oscar Location: Florida Watch: Me!!! Posts: 23,233	go for the in house movement..i think it looks stunning!!! __________________

4 May 2009, 12:30 PM	#12
Ted Su(TW) Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Taiwan Posts: 77	I'll go for the 312 but I don't are much about the movement. It's the fiddy case that gets my vote. Ted Su(TW)

4 May 2009, 12:43 PM	#13
HKperf "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: USA Watch: 16710 M Coke Posts: 367	I like the 312 better but its a very thick piece. it would be a perfect 10 piece only if it was thinner and had domed crystal like the other 1950's. I guess you can't have a perfect 10 piece..

4 May 2009, 01:26 PM	#14
hflee55 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Real Name: Andy Location: Kuala Lumpur, MY Watch: Me Watching You!! Posts: 3,260	312 for me. The fiddy case wins it!

4 May 2009, 03:15 PM	#15
The Second Banned Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Lost Watch: Watchless(for now) Posts: 267	I like the 312 for me, i like the small sub seconds dial and the no cyclops.

4 May 2009, 04:18 PM	#17
GBJIV "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Real Name: Jackson Location: So. California Posts: 2,893	I like them both a lot... You can't go wrong... For me - the older movement is tried and true in thousands of watches. Very accurate and dependable. You can't go wrong...! Enjoy... __________________ Jackson

4 May 2009, 08:57 PM	#19
housemad Banned Join Date: Feb 2009 Real Name: David Location: Montreal Watch: Graham chr.GMT O/S Posts: 373	Go for the 312...new exellent caliber...the 104 have a magnifiing glass witch is not into the real spirit of Panerai!!! It was put there by the Richmond tobbacco compagny!

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